News Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB Goes on Sale

[Ogotai]

I think Nvidia discovered the hard way that regressing from the 3060 was a dumb idea, 12GB/192bits is the absolute bare minimum for 60-tier GPUs in 2023.

untill the 5060 comes out, i have my doubts about that. the whole 40 series stack, less the 4090, is a joke, raised one tier by name, the performance of the lower tier, at the price of the higher tier.

 

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untill the 5060 comes out, i have my doubts about that.

I don't need the 5060 to come out to predict it is going to get the same or worse reception as the 4060(Ti) if Nvidia didn't learn its lessons: 1) people are no longer desperate to buy anything called a 'GPU' no matter the cost like they did during peak COVID+crypto and 2) actual gamers have little to no interest in gimped products that fail to provide meaningful gen-on-gen performance-per-dollar gains.

If Intel's Battlemage is anywhere as good as Intel claims it is going to be, which is about twice as fast as the A770 for about the same money, people are going to have some tempting alternatives in 2024. Nvidia may not be able to afford being greedy one more year and risk dumping its customers into Intel's open arms. This may very well be part of why Nvidia is allegedly strong-arming its AIBs into staying away from Intel.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

I haven't bought an AMD card since the cards were still ATI. So my problem is I just dont know what to buy by comparison...

With AMD the cards that competed with the 3060 were 6600xt 8gb cards.

However when the 8gb 4060 ti released, the last generation 6700xt and 6750xt 12gb cards were pretty close to the 4060 ti 8gb. The 4060ti is a faster card than the 4060, so as a baseline, I’d look at least at the 6700xt or 6750xt. However I’d also say look at the 6800xt 16gb cards which are closer probably to a 4070. The 6800xt right now can be found on Newegg.com for 529. Before I’d get the 16gb 4060, I’d take a look at those.

Of course right now Newegg also has the 6950xt for 600. Those were amds top cards last generation and should at least match the 4070 or beat. Though nvidia typically is better in ray tracing. But for pure performance the older amd cards are worth a look. If you are spending a bit more, check out the 7900xt and 7900xtx.

 

[cryoburner]

Which 16 GB VRAM cards are cheaper than 4060 ti from intel/AMD ?

The thing is, 16GB of VRAM on the 4060 Ti could arguably be considered a waste for the vast majority of users. 8GB might be getting borderline for this level of card, and will undoubtedly become more of a limitation in games running at max settings or at higher resolutions relatively soon, but you shouldn't need to jump all the way to 16GB to prevent VRAM from being a concern for the near-future. 12GB should be plenty to largely avoid performance regressions at 1440p and keep the card viable longer. And there are some good options for 12GB cards from the competition.

An RX 6700 XT can be had for as little as $350 currently, a full $150 less than the 4060 Ti 16GB. And it offers rasterized performance within 10% of that card. And the RX 6750 XT offers roughly identical rasterized performance to the 4060 16GB for as little as $370, which is $130 less than that card. Sure, it will tend to see a larger performance hit from enabling raytraced lighting effects in games that support them, but that's a big price difference.

Or for $500, the same price as the 4060 Ti 16GB, it's currently possible to get an RX 6800 XT, a card that on average offers 30-40% more rasterized performance than the 4060 Ti 16GB, while providing the same 16GB of VRAM. And due to it having so much more raw performance, it manages to still be competitive with the 4060 Ti in raytraced games. It can still fall slightly behind in titles making heavy use of RT, but in lighter implementations it tends to be the faster card.

Really, it would have been much better if the 4060 Ti were offering 12GB at around the $400 level, while reserving 8GB for cards around $300 and below. And they could have done that without negatively impacting performance had they used a cut-down version of the same chip used for the 4070 and 4070 Ti, while relegating this one to the 4060 and 4050. And I fully suspect that's what their original plan was when they were designing these graphics chips, before they decided to shuffle the hardware to higher price points in the wake of the crypto-shortages.