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dragonsqrrl
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[citation][nom]hannibal[/nom]And the prices?http://videocardz.com/30951/nvidia [...] le-for-549If nvidia has "turbo"-boost in 680 as it has been leaked, it is allmost impossible to compare it in normal test, if you consider the max speed, but if they really have it, it is guite good feature. Overclockin without any effort, like in modern CPU. But it can make comparison real pain, until AMD do the same.[/citation]
I couldn't disagree more. So comparisons between Intel's i7's and AMD's Phenom II x4's weren't valid because Intel had a dynamic overclocking feature and AMD didn't? The comparisons won't be any more of a pain than any previous generation. The performance it delivers is what matters, plain and simple.
I couldn't disagree more. So comparisons between Intel's i7's and AMD's Phenom II x4's weren't valid because Intel had a dynamic overclocking feature and AMD didn't? The comparisons won't be any more of a pain than any previous generation. The performance it delivers is what matters, plain and simple.
[citation][nom]shahrooz[/nom]its a damn good card but the chart is a little bit misleading 0.4 is way longer than 1[/citation]
Are you looking from 0.8 to 1.0? Because that's only 0.2, naturally that's shorter than 0.4.
If that $500 price is accurate, and the performance estimates are even partly accurate, its a pretty good deal. Some GTX 580's are still $500. Nice TDP too, considering power consumption seems to be a major source of anxiety about Kepler.
Are you looking from 0.8 to 1.0? Because that's only 0.2, naturally that's shorter than 0.4.
If that $500 price is accurate, and the performance estimates are even partly accurate, its a pretty good deal. Some GTX 580's are still $500. Nice TDP too, considering power consumption seems to be a major source of anxiety about Kepler.
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[citation][nom]MooseMuffin[/nom]Show me a 660 GTX in the neighborhood of $200 please...[/citation]
The “trickery” is in the visuals. If one were to glance at the graph one would see the Nvidia bar for BF3 approximately 3x longer. That would leave one to believe the Nvidia card should be approximately 3x faster. In fact it is only 0.4x faster. A more “honest” representation would show the Nvidia bar at 1.4x the length of the AMD bar.
The “trickery” is in the visuals. If one were to glance at the graph one would see the Nvidia bar for BF3 approximately 3x longer. That would leave one to believe the Nvidia card should be approximately 3x faster. In fact it is only 0.4x faster. A more “honest” representation would show the Nvidia bar at 1.4x the length of the AMD bar.
I am really looking forward to this release, not only to see the prices specs and videos. But to see how far down the price of 580s 570s go down. I would love to get a new card but it is hard to justify spending the money when a 580 or second 570 will easily get me through the next year. My problem is that I am a monkey and I like shiny things.
[citation][nom]matto17secs[/nom]Beating the top AMD card with a mid-range GK104 chip, and doing it with less power consumption... not bad. Can't wait to see what the top tier GK110 has to offer.[/citation]
Since when is the 680 (the x80 of the series) ever been considered the mid-ranged card? Maybe I'm missing something, but that does look like they are comparing their high end card.
Since when is the 680 (the x80 of the series) ever been considered the mid-ranged card? Maybe I'm missing something, but that does look like they are comparing their high end card.
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[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]Since when is the 680 (the x80 of the series) ever been considered the mid-ranged card? Maybe I'm missing something, but that does look like they are comparing their high end card.[/citation]
He's referring to the GPU (gk104). He doesn't mention a "card" anywhere in his comment.
He's referring to the GPU (gk104). He doesn't mention a "card" anywhere in his comment.
[citation][nom]dragonsqrrl[/nom]He's referring to the GPU (gk104). He doesn't mention a "card" anywhere in his comment.[/citation]
What makes the gk104 mid-ranged? I'm confused on this. It's their top in gaming graphics chip, I'm not sure what makes that mid-ranged.
That said, I am hoping for the best, as I do want to upgrade my 470's and maintain 3D vision.
What makes the gk104 mid-ranged? I'm confused on this. It's their top in gaming graphics chip, I'm not sure what makes that mid-ranged.
That said, I am hoping for the best, as I do want to upgrade my 470's and maintain 3D vision.
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Remember, this is NVidia's mid-tier card using the 104 chipset. The top end card will be using the 110 chipset, be $150 more expensive and should trounce AMD's single GPU solution by a lot more than the GTX680.
Funny thing is that the GTX680 name was supposed to be the name of the high end card, not this mid-tier card. I wonder what they will clal the high end card now?
Funny thing is that the GTX680 name was supposed to be the name of the high end card, not this mid-tier card. I wonder what they will clal the high end card now?
[citation][nom]Johnpombrio[/nom]Remember, this is NVidia's mid-tier card using the 104 chipset. The top end card will be using the 110 chipset, be $150 more expensive and should trounce AMD's single GPU solution by a lot more than the GTX680. Funny thing is that the GTX680 name was supposed to be the name of the high end card, not this mid-tier card. I wonder what they will clal the high end card now?[/citation]
I'm going to guess that the 680 will be the high end card of the 600 series, and the new chip will be the 700 series.
I'm going to guess that the 680 will be the high end card of the 600 series, and the new chip will be the 700 series.
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[citation][nom]bystander[/nom]What makes the gk104 mid-ranged? I'm confused on this. It's their top in gaming graphics chip, I'm not sure what makes that mid-ranged.That said, I am hoping for the best, as I do want to upgrade my 470's and maintain 3D vision.[/citation]
gf104 and gf114 were mid range GPU's. So it's based on GPU naming convention, but also die size (roughly 300mm^2), TDP, and memory interface (since the Geforce 8 era, Nvidia's mid range GPU's have used 256-bit interfaces). All of these attributes are indicative of a mid-range GPU. There's also the fact that Nvidia is working on a higher-end Kepler derivative, with a wider memory interface and larger die size (gk110).
I don't think anyone's trying to argue that the GTX680 is mid-range, because it obviously isn't. It's priced as a high-end card. But the GPU is almost without a doubt a mid-range offering, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the GTX680 drop to mid-range price points at some point in the future.
gf104 and gf114 were mid range GPU's. So it's based on GPU naming convention, but also die size (roughly 300mm^2), TDP, and memory interface (since the Geforce 8 era, Nvidia's mid range GPU's have used 256-bit interfaces). All of these attributes are indicative of a mid-range GPU. There's also the fact that Nvidia is working on a higher-end Kepler derivative, with a wider memory interface and larger die size (gk110).
I don't think anyone's trying to argue that the GTX680 is mid-range, because it obviously isn't. It's priced as a high-end card. But the GPU is almost without a doubt a mid-range offering, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the GTX680 drop to mid-range price points at some point in the future.
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IMO, i wouldn't trust these leaks from the Chinese. Nothing against them, but are they a reliable source?
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As for the graph, don't let them convince you, wait for the release and then we will see the truth 
[citation][nom]OddlyInsane[/nom]IMO, i wouldn't trust these leaks from the Chinese. Nothing against them, but are they a reliable source?[/citation]
They are making the chips, they are probably the first ones to have a physical card in their hands.
They are making the chips, they are probably the first ones to have a physical card in their hands.
[citation][nom]kbarber29[/nom]The graph doesn't make sense! How does Battlefield 3 with AA on outperform Battlefield 3 stock, the same with CODMW3?[/citation]
It doesn't, those are charts comparison in relationship to the 7970's performance. What it says is the 680 will perform AA much better than the 7970, that or it's saying with FXAA on, it is much faster than the 7970 with FXAA on.
It doesn't, those are charts comparison in relationship to the 7970's performance. What it says is the 680 will perform AA much better than the 7970, that or it's saying with FXAA on, it is much faster than the 7970 with FXAA on.
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[citation][nom]kbarber29[/nom]The graph doesn't make sense! How does Battlefield 3 with AA on outperform Battlefield 3 stock, the same with CODMW3?[/citation]
... sigh. You're misreading the information. The graph is normalized around the HD7970. All this means is that the performance of the GTX680 doesn't decrease as much as the HD7970 in those two games when AA is enabled.
I guess for some people normalized graphs really are "tricky" and "misleading". I'm sorry, but for everyone who said that, that really is sad.
... sigh. You're misreading the information. The graph is normalized around the HD7970. All this means is that the performance of the GTX680 doesn't decrease as much as the HD7970 in those two games when AA is enabled.
I guess for some people normalized graphs really are "tricky" and "misleading". I'm sorry, but for everyone who said that, that really is sad.
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Will it play farmville? My wife asks...lol
In deed not impressed at all. Where is the 40% performance increase on average over the 7970 as rumored. Disappointing 10% performance increase on average. I think 7970 with 6000 Mhz memories would beat it for sure. As Filiprino said this is GTX670 not 680
Oh well lets wait and see till real benches are out after all this might be one of the rumors as well.
In deed not impressed at all. Where is the 40% performance increase on average over the 7970 as rumored. Disappointing 10% performance increase on average. I think 7970 with 6000 Mhz memories would beat it for sure. As Filiprino said this is GTX670 not 680
Oh well lets wait and see till real benches are out after all this might be one of the rumors as well.
[citation][nom]s3nsati0naliSt[/nom]All of the browsers will finish within 1% of each other, so they just zoom the graph in until it's sensationlist.[/citation]
Its only "sensationalist" if they were to hide the real meaning of the data. All of the information is given. If you don't know how to read it or put it in perspective, that's your fault, not Tom's.
Applied to this example, the graph's y-axis is labeled to start at 0.8. They could have started it at 0.0, but then two-thirds of the graph would be a wall of redundant colored bars. Its not mysterious, or misleading. Its pretty clear data in my opinion. Whether its accurate or cherry-picked data is another issue entirely.
Its only "sensationalist" if they were to hide the real meaning of the data. All of the information is given. If you don't know how to read it or put it in perspective, that's your fault, not Tom's.
Applied to this example, the graph's y-axis is labeled to start at 0.8. They could have started it at 0.0, but then two-thirds of the graph would be a wall of redundant colored bars. Its not mysterious, or misleading. Its pretty clear data in my opinion. Whether its accurate or cherry-picked data is another issue entirely.
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[citation][nom]bejabbers[/nom]why is the memory bandwidth only 256-bit? the 580 have 384-bit. It seems strange that they would go backwards in terms of RAM[/citation]
I bet there'll be a GTX 685 with 384-bit.
I bet there'll be a GTX 685 with 384-bit.
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