Nvidia Officially Details GTX 1070 Ti, Opens Founder's Edition Pre-Orders

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Well, it's too early to release Volta... AMD Vega is biting into 1070 sales, and to a lesser degree 1080 sales... Yeah, a holiday release designed to gain back lost sales revenue to Vega.
 

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Well I still dont like the positioning of this GPU, I dont feel the need of a GPU between a GTX 1070 and GTX 1080, the gap is too narrow, some high clocked 1070 can match a GTX 1080 reference, I would rather have some more mid range GPU in the space between GTX 1060s and GTX 1070s where the gap is substantial. Something like a GTX 1060ti, even dropping GTX 1070s price to the range of 369-ish $ and put the GTX 1070ti about 419-ish $ could make solid step over everything AMD has to offer.
 

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We already have a GTX1060Ti, it's called the GTX1060 6GB.
 

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There is no marketing need to that price sector. Normal 107p is still selling well so no need (From nvidias viewpoint) to reduce prises in there.
Vega 56 is Little bit better than 1070 so They needed new weapon in that Front.
 

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Yeah, I've got a 980 Ti that's still giving me 1080p/60/Ultra in all my games. If I upgrade, it won't be until something like an 1180 Ti or whatever such a thing would be named. This 10-series of cards has been a pretty big performance bump over the 9-series, but I haven't been wanting for more horsepower just yet.

That said, in my other machine, I replaced a 770 with a 1060 6GB. That was a night-and-day upgrade, holy cow.
 

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But the Vega 56 is impossible t find...

At that price point though. I may seriously consider an upgrade to that 1070ti. It's slightly below a 1080 for $100 less. You just have to do the overclocking yourself.
 

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1070 Ti is $50 less than 1080, based on MSRP. Also, even if you can overclock a 1070 Ti to to stock 1080 performance, you could of course overclock a 1080 beyond that...
 

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Good point. Forgot about the price reduction with the introduction of the 1080ti. But if it's MSRP is actually suppose to be $399-$430 since the 1070 got cut to $349 it becomes an interesting card. I blame the miners and the rising prices of the 1070s for this. Guess, I'll probably just wait for volta...
 


Well first of all, it wouldn't be the first time Nvidia did this sandwiching between tier cards. They did it with the GTX 560Ti between the GTX 560 and 570. And there's nothing new about a factory overclocked AIB partner's GPU approaching the next step up reference GPU. I had my SLI EVGA 970s overclocked to reference 980 performance. Throw in an AIB factory overclocked 1080 for equal footing and the gap widens again by the same margin as reference for reference.

Regarding the FPS gap between the 1060->1070 compared to the 1070->1080, both are comparable. Take for example BF1 at 1440p with reference GPUs (http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1060_gaming_x_plus_review,15.html):

1060->1070.........61->80 (29% improvement)
1070->1080.........80->98 (23% improvement)

But I do agree that Nvidia probably would have been better off hitting the $340-$350 segment with a 1060Ti splitting the difference with the 1060-1070 (I think $370 would have been a little too close to the $430 1070 in price). They have a pretty obvious gap there, but then so does AMD, whose only competition between the 1060 and 1070 is the RX 580.

It's priced below $300 and closer to the 6GB 1060 in performance, so it wouldn't have been a direct competitor. AMD hit the 1070 market directly with the RX 56 and by MSRP standards undercut it by $30 to $400 vs. $430 (unfortunately for AMD their AIB cards are selling for more like $500 +where you can snap up an AIB 1070 for $450....not AMD's fault miners continue to snap them up causing supply/demand price fixing).
 

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If the GTX 1070 ti has the base clock of GTX 1080, same type of vram and boost of 1070, then what is the point of the releasing the card? A Evga ICX, MSI Gaming series, Asus strix series, etc. 1070 caught on sale overclock to near identical specs, base and boost speed is a better bargain, or spending seventy or hundred more dollars GTX 1080 with faster vram, bandwidth, no disabled specs, and more overclocking headroom is still a better bargain.
 


Well that's the question of the day. It will boil down to the price. EVGA announced their pricing, and their FTW2 variant will be $500, which is within 10% of EVGA's $550 1080 SC2 Gaming which runs about 10% faster than a reference 1080 just out of the box and without overclocking on top of it.


 

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A 1070 Ti has 27% more shader cores than a 1070, you'd need a pretty huge OC on a 1070 to make up for that.

The 1080 only has 5% more cores than a 1070 Ti. And I'm not sure what makes you think a 1080 will overclock better. The only significant advantage of the 1080 is VRAM bandwidth. I seem to remember seeing some evidence that Geforce 10 chips aren't particularly memory bound (which would mean this isn't a major drawback), but I'm not sure.

Edit: Huh, only just noticed that GTX 1070s (and now the 1070 Ti) still use 8 Gbps memory, and never got the memory speed upgrade like 1060s and 1080s did. I had just assumed they would have.
 

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True, the 1070 ti has more cuda cores( 26.67 %) and slightly better specs than the 1070 but that's a minuscule upgrade over current aftermarket GTX 1070 on sale, especially, you own or looking a GTX 1070. I mean you overclock nicely a GTX 1070 come with less cuda cores and save fifty extra dollars on sale; however, at current prices of GTX 1070 that would temporary a nice upgrade before the price increases. Contrary to what you've said about the GTX 1080, if you catch the GTX 1080 on sale(like ICX, MSI Gaming series, Asus Strix that recently and frequently been on sale for 529.99 dollars after a rebate), it has faster vram with better clock speed, full enable specs(even if has 5.26% more cuda cores), slight better memory bandwidth, at the end of day it will overclocked specs is still better. The problem is pricing of each variant, which shouldn't be more fifty dollar apart each other,and the GTX 1070 ti is newly release card with a decent msrp. In the end, it really down to the consumer and their budget.


 

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This release cost nVidia next to nothing part 1070 part 1080 same GPU. This is just to fulfill the dream of world domination in the GPU market. (Pinky and the Brain Ref) Their margins allow plenty of room so succumb to the greed;).

I agree that this is a slim part of the market from a gaming viewpoint price-wise so I am surprised to see so many boards being offered and AIB makers joining in.
 


Chasing competition has nothing to do with "world domination", lol. It's what we want in the free market. AMD has been ruling Nvidia in the lower and mid-range GPUs for a long time now and for less money (up until the mining craze ruined it again like the RX 480-580 prices). Same with the Vega 56 which would have put a dagger in the GTX 1070 if it weren't for miners and you could get them for $30 less than the 1070 as their MSRP reference release was targeted.



If there is money to be made, the vendors will be all over it. Enough of them think there is a market for the 1070Ti to warrant gambling production of them with various model lines (even if Nvidia mandated they all have the same base/boost speeds).
 

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You seem to be comparing overclocked (factory or otherwise) 1070s and 1080s to stock/reference 1070 Ti. A 1070 Ti has 27% more cores than a 1070, for only 12.5% more money (based on MSRP). You may be able to overclock a non reference 1070 to overcome that deficit, but I don't see what's stopping you from overclocking a non reference 1070 Ti to similar clock speeds, so the 27% core advantage is still there so you're still getting better performance per dollar than with the 1070.
Contrary to what you've said about the GTX 1080, if you catch the GTX 1080 on sale(like ICX, MSI Gaming series, Asus Strix that recently and frequently been on sale for 529.99 dollars after a rebate), it has faster vram with better clock speed, full enable specs(even if has 5.26% more cuda cores), slight better memory bandwidth, at the end of day it will overclocked specs is still better. The problem is pricing of each variant, which shouldn't be more fifty dollar apart each other,and the GTX 1070 ti is newly release card with a decent msrp. In the end, it really down to the consumer and their budget.
A 1080 costs 11% more than a 1070 Ti (based on MSRP, $500 vs $450) for 5% more cores and pretty much the same core clock speed. 5% is pretty minimal. You keep going on about these non reference 1080s being faster, but there will be equivalent non reference 1070 Tis to compete. Like I said, the only significant advantage the 1080 has over the 1070 Ti is VRAM speed (which is directly proportional to memory bandwidth; they both have the same bus width). It remains to be seen how much difference that makes.
 

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You seem to be comparing overclocked (factory or otherwise) 1070s and 1080s to stock/reference 1070 Ti. A 1070 Ti has 27% more cores than a 1070, for only 12.5% more money (based on MSRP). You may be able to overclock a non reference 1070 to overcome that deficit, but I don't see what's stopping you from overclocking a non reference 1070 Ti to similar clock speeds, so the 27% core advantage is still there so you're still getting better performance per dollar than with the 1070.

A 1080 costs 11% more than a 1070 Ti (based on MSRP, $500 vs $450) for 5% more cores and pretty much the same core clock speed. 5% is pretty minimal. You keep going on about these non reference 1080s being faster, but there will be equivalent non reference 1070 Tis to compete. Like I said, the only significant advantage the 1080 has over the 1070 Ti is VRAM speed (which is directly proportional to memory bandwidth; they both have the same bus width). It remains to be seen how much difference that makes. Let's quickly nip in the bud, by the time we're done the forum and comment section would be complete scam over an argue about releasing a refreshed graphic card with twenty-five percent more cuda cores, base clock of the GTX 1080, boost clock and same vram of GTX 1070.If you're a new buyer, the only thing GTX 1070 ti has going it is getting at ten to fifteenth frames per second over GTX 1070 with fifty dollar increase; however,if already a GTX 1070, it isn't really to get excited about unless you've a step-up program because swapping a 1070 for a ti version is like swapping AMD 7850 for 660 ti in 2012. Personally, I'll wait for the reviews to post before purchasing a graphic card. Instead of refreshing a GTX 1070, a compromise of GTX 1080, to compete with Vega, just drop the price of a GTX 1080 by fifty dollars and just scratch the GTX 1070 ti existence? Well, I don't know about you but I'm content with a 1080 on sale.
 

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I am thinking more speed. 2.0 Mhz. THey want sales. They have to drop the nanometers upp the Gigs of RAM and up the speed.

"Core Count" and all that is high enough on all new 2016 and up models it will not effect the gamer bunch and gamers are the buyer. The supposed CADCAM moguls are few and far between.
 

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I didn't realize anyone was imagining the 1070 Ti as a potential upgrade for current 1070 owners. I certainly wasn't.

"Core Count" and all that is high enough on all new 2016 and up models it will not effect the gamer bunch and gamers are the buyer. The supposed CADCAM moguls are few and far between.
Um, no. For embarrassingly parallel workloads, i.e. graphics rendering, performance scales well with the amount of shader cores. Maybe you're thinking of the typical saying "you don't need more than [#] cores for gaming", which is talking about CPU cores, not GPU cores. Just look at the the 1080 Ti vs 1080. ~150 MHz lower clock speed, but the increased core count allows it to outperform the 1080 by 25+%.
 

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My 1070 is doing just fine got it right before the price jumps at $389. Probably won't be looking to upgrade until the next generation after Volta or maybe even the one after that.
 

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Volta is most likely very expensive compared to these at least in the beginning, unles amd will release very fast competitor with low price before the release of Volta... (not likely). The vega2 will most likely be released in the summer or next autumn. So the next competitor will come there and Also the only reason for Nvidia to reduce prices.
 
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