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"During a conference call after its financial results report for annual and fourth quarter fiscal 2013, Nvidia said that revenue shipments of the Tegra 4 "Wayne" SoC will start in July. Because of this, the first commercial devices to utilize the new chip won't be seen on the market until sometime between August and September."

Given the lead times required to produce, test and market devices its safe to say the following by reading between the lines of Mr. Nvidia CEO.

Given how much we overpromised for the Tegra, Tegra 2 and Tegra 3 vs the failures we delivered, that no one is actually buying our chips. Don't worry, we are going to build them anyway, cheery'o!!!!
 
[citation][nom]levin70[/nom]"During a conference call after its financial results report for annual and fourth quarter fiscal 2013, Nvidia said that revenue shipments of the Tegra 4 "Wayne" SoC will start in July. Because of this, the first commercial devices to utilize the new chip won't be seen on the market until sometime between August and September."Given the lead times required to produce, test and market devices its safe to say the following by reading between the lines of Mr. Nvidia CEO.Given how much we overpromised for the Tegra, Tegra 2 and Tegra 3 vs the failures we delivered, that no one is actually buying our chips. Don't worry, we are going to build them anyway, cheery'o!!!![/citation]

For as weak as they were in many ways, they still managed to sell very well. For example, Tegra 3 is used in a lot of well-selling products.
 
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Well, Market share up from 53% to 65% vs. AMD YoY for desktop etc
Notebook share increased from 47% to 66% YoY
Profit up from 117mil to 174mil YoY for this Q (non-gaap 215Mil!).
Record revenue, margins this year, record cash (up now to 3.74b)
TTM profit ~725mil vs. AMD 1.18Billion loss (this is pretty much getting your a$$ kicked no?)
Tegra, Tesla, and notebook GPUs all achieved record revenue.
30% of revenue now from NON-PC parts (tegra/cars etc)
tegra 4 has more design wins than tegra3 in it's whole lifetime and isn't out yet. Not bad :)
Tegra 5/6 (2014/2015 Denver/Boulder?) moving into AMD/Intel desktop/server cpu's turf.
Not sure if Denver/Boulder are completely separate from Logan/Stark or not but it's all good news no matter how that gets sliced...It's new markets again.
For all the talk about falling PC sales, PC unit shipments are only down 4.9% for Q4 vs last year and not every one of those ~5% houses a discrete GPU. I'm still baffled by everyone discounting nv shares when they're stealing a LOT of market share and adding units shipped which = more than the drop at intel's units shipped (if I actually considered these two items bound together, which NV's results say are NOT tied totally).

AMD/Intel/TI all down Revenue YoY, while NV gpu business up 8% YoY. Hmmm...Good products=good money? Not in all cases, but all things point to that being true here.
Beat the street 24 cents, with 28 cents (26c vs. 35c non-gaap). Umm, that's blowing the street away ~14% right?
Margins are at 53% (rather excellent, and expected to stay there this Q even amid declining T3 revenue as they await T4).
Tegra4 has a modem ability that T3 didn't which kept it from getting into many phones.
Global android tablets Q4 were 29.6 mil units (and tegra didn't get a ton of that unit #).
Global android phones Q4 were 160mil units. They now have a shot at 5-6x more market than tegra3 had.
You can't ship a modem-less phone so tegra3 had basically no chance there and power didn't get decent until Tegra3+ for a phone anyway (which seems too late). Not so now and it's much easier to prove compatibility when you own the modem.

Graphics on T4 look to be 20-30% faster than exynos5 with t604 and at least on par with ipad4, and exynos will need to upgrade to T658 for improvement in tablet perf in the coming 2560x1600 standard this year (google set it with nexus 10, and exynos can't game here without gpu improvement). T4 will replace exynos in tablets at this res as my dad's nexus is just too slow to game there (they should have matched Apple's res but dumb people buy larger numbers...LOL so google went above what they should have). I would have probably bought a nexus 10 myself if it was pushing Apple's ipad4 res. But decided to wait for exactly what Tegra4 will bring: ~30% over exynos5 or galaxys4 soc (is it a 544mp3, t658 or something else? so many rumors here), and actually have much better experience gaming, possibly just good enough to play 2560x1600 ok for a while - meaning the next wave of games I guess.

NV now has a dividend, and they bought back 100mil in shares this year, while adding to cash at 3.74B

Vanguard made a move upping to ~6.1% ownership (fidelity has ~over 10 last I checked) filing a 13G recently.

I didn't see anything to refute nino_z's comment in this case :)

For more detail (my take anyway) check the comment at anandtech here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6746/tegra-4-shipment-date-still-q2-2013

The anandtech post was fun... :) I pasted some from there to here at little, it saved a bit of time... That post is probably more accurate than this one as I wrote them in tandem kind of with far more effort there. Can't really attack Anand himself (and his site) without checking all the data pretty good...LOL. But the point here is NV is doing something right based on their earnings report. Both amd/nv have great vid cards, but one is clearly losing the war I think.

Consoles won't save AMD either. OUYA, Steambox, Shield, etc will all hurt those sales which are already sliding. Shield brings your PC power to the TV so console is a tough sell to anyone with a good PC soon. When you upgrade your PC your shield device keeps getting better on your TV. Discounting the others mentioned, Shield alone means Xbox360 was my last console. I really don't think AMD won the next gen console war, I think NV outfoxed them all here and didn't desire the console wins. I think they desired to use the PC/Android combo to KILL consoles, which I like as the better path. Once consoles are dead, games will be made more heavily ON a pc, and I can continue to play on my TV whenever desired with a gamepad instead of my mouse/keyboard via shield1/2/3 etc... Raise your hand if you like consoles holding back PC game development. Shield ends this correct? I get android games out of the house (and thankfully NV chose stock android so this isn't a problem), PC games for a gamepad in my living room (sports etc I want on a tv..madden blah blah), and finally good old keyboard/mouse requiring games on the PC itself (strategy/great rpg/FPS). I don't use the xbox360 these days for more than sports and that's rare. It's used more as a media center than anything else and now not even that with roku/bluray beside it.

Shield may turn out to be the most brilliant move in gaming hardware in the last 20 years. They have from June-Dec to suck you in, then a lot of people will be buying a Kepler etc upgrade for the PC this xmas (if they don't already own one), not a console stuck in stone. All the console whiners (myself included) who reluctantly bought one last time, are easy targets for PC on the tv and portable gaming to boot (call the android games a bonus). I could even see them allowing others to make modified gamepads (with tiny lcd or not at all) using the same software for compatibility etc so more are satisfied by whatever pad type they like. Even in these cases they sell a soc & a gpu in the end (and upgrades on PC become more important to more people over time). Other candidates are anyone with some money tied into android software already as this puts those on tv too, avoiding buying games over and over for different devices. I see a lot of ways this works for NV and all of them hurt a console come xmas. Phones and tablets were already destined to do this to a degree (already hurting psvita/3ds etc), but I think MS/Sony better get their next gen's out the door in a hurry, as waiting until xmas is a real issue now (or any length past Shield debut). It looks like Sony may get this, assuming rumors floating around are true that they are pushing up the date of release. In the end I don't think it matters though. NV can update the device chip every year/every other year (better 2yr cycle IMHO for devs, though phones do it yearly anyway with socs), and keep inspiring you to buy PC gpus. IF phones/tablets weren't on the way to killing consoles, shield or something like it (getting PC to tv easily) would. I might be tempted to just get some games on the tv (pc & android) and not use it portable much (outside the home), and having the android games still on the go with a phone.

If they price this right, this war is over (and apple's phone war gets tougher too). Price it wrong, and the war just lasts longer, but I still believe it's already over (check console/handheld sales for proof of phone/tablet damages already). Do you see the brand new vita/3ds selling like hotcakes? Nintendo just cut Wiiu/3ds sales projections a few weeks ago. These are new and should be selling correct? Throw shield and all the phones/tablets coming up in the mix and xmas gets really muddy for consoles. You should be upping projections, not downing them on new stuff. Like samsung projections for GalaxyS4 at 100mil units. WOW. No fear eh? WiiU drops from 5.5mil to 4mil (projected) and 3DS from 17.5mil to 15mil. Not a good sign. They dropped software projections from 24mil units to 16mil (WOW). That's a huge cut in what you expect to move. I'm guessing they see the phone/tablet wall getting higher and now shield has to be even worse news. Xbox360 sales are down 29% reported last month. Google sales of any of these and you should be able to read the writing on the wall. :) Tablet sales grew 75% Q4. Hmm...Thanks for reading the wall...ROFL (or not...).

 
[citation][nom]somebodyspecial[/nom]@blazorthon massive wall of text...
lol Hmm...Thanks for reading the wall...ROFL (or not...).
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Hey now, I read the whole thing. I may not totally agree or at least like everything in it, but I read it 😀

My biggest issue with what you said is that you cited decreasing console sales as evidence for consoles losing popularity significantly. I wouldn't say with certainty that you're wrong about consoles as a whole, but given the age of current consoles and the promise of a refresh this or next year, I don't think that declining sales of current consoles (which are still annoying good) are good evidence for declining popularity of consoles as a whole. I also think that since consoles are making strides in user interaction with stuff such as Kinect and much more that it's not fair to say that stuff such as Shield will kill them off because that stuff doesn't necessarily provide the same experience. Also, if consoles open up with proper performance and pricing along with improvements in the gameplay aspects (both in games and input control) as is expected, then they'll probably still be a big hit this generation, especially if they can also improve on integration of other media.

For example, improving support for streaming from home media computers/servers, adding support for any streaming services that aren't already available (IDK if current consoles have Amazon or Hulu stuff), and more.

Oh, and if they add support for stuff such as letting the console run a NAS or some other such additional functionality, then target markets could be increased. My point is that something can be done if they really want to.

I also threw around a conceptual idea in a big comment for consoles on page two of this article's comments, maybe you'd be interested:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Facebook-Windows-Joachim-Kempin-Secret-Power-Broker-Ballmer,21028.html
 


The not reading the wall wasn't directed at you...LOL. Sorry...That was for the comments that usually come from a what SOME call a wall of text :) My version of a wall, it's only a wall if its blathering crap that gives no actual data or point of view with something to back it up :) A wall of fanboism if you will 😉 I don't expect everyone to read them (few really, that like data), but if it's good data/relevant the wall haters should resist the urge to say "nice wall of text" or some such crap and just scroll down. :)

Consoles can certainly try to make themselves more relevant (than just a game box/streamer), but I would call the WiiU and 3DS/Vita a portion of new products (ps4/x720 are the only 2 left coming shortly from the big 3) and all of these are down. They are losing sales to tablets/phones and the war hasn't even really started yet (ouya, shield, steambox etc which directly come after nintento/MS/Sony products we're talking about here). Nintendo's comments of software sales projections dropping from 24mil to 16mil is a SHOCK for two very new products early in their cycle. The 17% hardware dip in projection is also. These should be going up on new cycle stuff. The wiiu just hit in Nov 3 months ago, and already sales projections being cut? The software cut is across all devices. If we were talking the wii ok, I see your point clearly and would agree. But wiiu? 3DS also only about 1.5yr old and should be just kicking in with lots of software being available compared to launch (you don't really get any product going until some good games are out). Yet both software and hardware being cut on both of these products. Nintendo themselves gave these numbers less than a month ago after xmas so that's real info not some blogger rumor mongering...I was surprised it was going down that fast and really didn't expect this until Q3 (as better android crap/steambox came out - hardware and the games - shield was a surprise last month), but this is early bad news, but about 6+ months to me.

There's a chance shield will be a complete flop (as you mentioned of cool things have been), no argument with that. But my console thoughts came without it even being in the picture months ago and it just strengthens those thoughts as another device (steambox too) to steal sales from ps4/x720 (and nintendo). I do think timing can help if they kick up the schedule to july/aug on these two consoles. But I still see a tough road for all of these against the onslaught of android/steam/pc now fighting for that space and a lot of us being sick of PC's being held back, sick of $60 games that are short experiences etc. Xmas this year will be very interesting to watch play out :) My bias towards PC over console is definitely salivating inside right now though...LOL I hope NV releases a very small lcd version (cutting cost to the bone) with just a big enough pic to access menus to get to the tv quickly and be off. I really don't want shield as a 5in game device (and own no handheld...I wouldn't game on a phone either). I only bought the xbox360 to get games on the tv occasionally etc, i hate small views :) But at this point anything that speeds us back to PC dev then port to X or Y makes me smile :) I hate console dev then port to PC etc. This keeps making me halt on upgrading my radeon 5850. I want a new card but...Ahh I can wait keeps coming out of my mouth 🙁

A link 14hrs ago on Vita, with many others around now after xmas (a quick google of vita sales gets a load):
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/02/playstation-vita-failure/
http://bgr.com/2013/01/25/sony-ps-vita-sales-analysis-305276/
That one's title VITA DEAD AGAIN....ouch..outsold 60% by the 7yr old model
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/ingame/vita-sales-drop-sharply-japan-118206
The drop even makes the regular news, and this in their own home town now. So nintendo and sony currently sucking wind and x360 down as well (that's expected I guess it's old, ps3 too, but no the new stuff). Interesting stuff all this last 30 days or so everywhere. They're even discussing devs giving up now which I expected much later this year. But I think they see they'd rather dev for 300mil+ yearly devices (and growing) than a few million struggling ones.

LOL at your TL😀R rant warning in your link...NIX THAT!...Your post, nor upgrade_1977's were walls nor rants, rather good ideas they're ignoring STILL!...It was all INFO MS/Sony etc should be reading. A good portion of BOTH of your guy's suggestions (and them NOT doing them) are why I think consoles are dying, mind you I'm not complaining about that death...LOL.

Again, sorry I didn't aim the wall comment more clearly NOT at you...I actually figured you might be one of the few who WOULD appreciate what was in it... :)
 


WiiU has some problems with not making sense in some areas and in getting dev support. It's sales will probably pick up if Nintendo takes action to help out devs more and gets some of their classics onto the WiiU, but I think that they took a good idea with their new controller and screwed it up. I won't be surprised if the WiiU fails to get anywhere near the Wii in sales of hardware and software.

PS Vita has also been something of a mess from the start. It was not thought out well enough and at this point, it's already screwed as far as I can tell.

3DS isn't something that I've kept up with, so I don't have much to say about it.

Xbox and Playstation, on the other hand, have a lot more buzz going around. They've got some very nice technologies and a lot of dev talk going around, especially with multiple new game engines, several of which are targeted at them. Time will tell, but if MS and Sony don't screw up more than is rumored, they can pull off another successful few years out of these consoles.

I agree that it may be a tough road ahead. A very tough road indeed. Heck, I might even go as far as to doubt that consoles will do what they should do because like you said, their companies seemingly refuse to do what best suits their customers. They seem intent on not only hang on to outdated business models in many ways, but also getting even further out of touch with the times.

If a few people on some online forum can throw such ideas around in a matter of minutes and hours, why can't major companies get a clue over the course of years and decades?

PS. I gave the tl;dr warning for people who would otherwise just thumb it down isntead of reading it, making it more difficult for people who are interested in the topic to read it. I find that it reduces thumb downs by people who don't even any of it considerably.

If the consoles can get a mere one or two dozen sales within a year of being out, then they can still provide a very profitable development platform. It is true that Android and iOS have one to two orders or magnitude more devices, but they it's also true that they have a much smaller percentage of paying customers and that each customer pays a lot less money per app (when they only cost one to ten dollars in most cases, and usually around five dollars or less at that, it takes a lot to add up to a single sale of a new $60 console game). Consoles also have more accessories that one is likely to buy and most playstation/Xbox gamers will spend one to several hundreds of dollars on games instead of one to several dozens of dollars on games and apps.

Like I said earlier, I'm not getting my hopes up for consoles this generation, but I'm not counting them out of the game yet.
 
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