News Nvidia RTX 4060 and RTX 4050 GPUs Could Launch Sooner Than Expected

[hannibal]

If the 4050 comes in at 75w, it would have to be priced at $185 to match the value of the GTX 750 Ti ($149 launch price in 2014.) I dont see nvidia pricing a prospective 4050 at $185

You mean $450 for 4050... Otherwise it would be too good compared to the rest of 4000 series.

 

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If the complaint is that current GPUs do not offer a good price/perf benefit over existing ones but instead just follow that price/perf curve further upwards, then by definition the existing GPU install base among the PC gaming market will continue to be sufficient.

The complain is that entry-level PC gaming has gone up ~$300 over the last four years after consistently going down since PCs were invented. If you raise the entry-level cost of something 3-5X faster than true inflation (as in inflation caused by actual costs, not CEOs inflating their already excessively lush retirement fund they could be taxed 90% on and still have more money left than normal people will earn in their lifetime), you price that thing out of the hands of many people and when that happens, everyone involved has to recover their costs on that many fewer potential customers which further raises prices, further shrinks the potential market, rinse and repeat.

IGPs may have "improved" but they are still only at the level of entry-level dGPUs from 5+ years ago (~GTX1050) that don't really cut mustard beyond eSports and other lightweight games designed to run on potatoes so almost anyone can jump in with whatever they may already have on hand.

 

[Eximo]

One could argue that GTX1050 level graphics is enough to at least run most things at 1080p. And there are the consoles for gaming.

So you have entry level laptops with iGPUs, phones, consoles, and then the $1000 gaming system. Which is still quite potent for the money.

You can do a Ryzen 5600 + RX6800 for that much.

Even a $1000 gaming laptop is pretty decent.

If you want to play at 1440p and 4K, then you are really in a special class of gamers, I think.

 

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One could argue that GTX1050 level graphics is enough to at least run most things at 1080p.

I have a GTX1050 and it barely holds 60fps at 1080p in WoW, one of the least demanding non-trivial modern games. In Final Fantasy XV, it barely does ~40fps with everything at the lowest it can go.

No, a GTX1050 isn't enough to gun modern games particularly well even if you are willing to go at the lowest possible settings.

 

[Eximo]

Sounds like it was playable. I've run WoW on much less myself. AMD E350 (HD6310 if I recall) It was pretty bad, I think I settled on 1164x768 on medium or something like it. GT730 in my old laptop can still manage it as well.

With cards like the 6500XT and even the old GTX1650 out there as options there is still an entry level market. Though the RX6600 would still be my entry level pick.

RTX3050 shouldn't be as expensive as it is. If they launch the 4060 and 4050 our only hope is if they don't sell. But the OEMs will snap them up regardless.

 

[btmedic04]

I am expecting the RTX 4050 to be priced more like the RTX 3060, than the RTX 3050. Both MSRP are way above what you are thinking.

that sounds about right. i was just pointing out that in order for the 4050 to match the value of the 750 ti, it would have to be priced around $185, which nvidia will not do

 

[btmedic04]

You mean $450 for 4050... Otherwise it would be too good compared to the rest of 4000 series.

right lol. i was just pointing out that in order for the 4050 to match the price to performance of the 750 ti, it would have to be priced at about $185 to match the 2014 launch price of the 750 ti with today's inflation, and nvidia will not price it there. id suspect it will cost in the ballpark of the 3060 non-ti msrp

 

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Sounds like it was playable. I've run WoW on much less myself. AMD E350 (HD6310 if I recall) It was pretty bad, I think I settled on 1164x768 on medium or something like it. GT730 in my old laptop can still manage it as well.

I wouldn't call 40fps in an action RPG like FFXV playable: the frame rate dips in combat from having only 2GB of VRAM get quite irritating. As for WoW, is that current? Your laptop's specs are way below modern WoW's minimum requirements.

With cards like the 6500XT and even the old GTX1650 out there as options there is still an entry level market.

Any GPU I buy, I expect to get 4+ years of decent useful life out of with the ability to replay older games with graphics bumped up a few notches. Modern sub-$200 GPUs aren't consistently fast enough to achieve either of those things. In retrospect, the GTX1650S would have been a killer buy four years ago but buying today, 4GB of VRAM isn't enough to say with any degree of confidence that it will have four years of useful life unless you only play older games and current games optimized for low-spec hardware, same goes for the RX6500. The A380 has 6GB of VRAM making it at least a little bit future-proof in that department but comes dramatically short on the compute and driver maturity sides, no cookies for Intel either.

Something that performs about on par with a GTX1660 and has at least 6GB of VRAM for under $200 seems like reasonably low expectations to have in 2023. The RX6600 was pretty much there at its lowest point in the USA. I'm in Canada though and the cheapest are almost 400 C$ now.

 

[Eximo]

I wouldn't call 40fps in an action RPG like FFXV playable: the frame rate dips in combat from having only 2GB of VRAM get quite irritating. As for WoW, is that current? Your laptop's specs are way below modern WoW's minimum requirements.


The A380 has 6GB of VRAM making it at least a little bit future-proof in that department but comes dramatically short on the compute and driver maturity sides, no cookies for Intel either.

Something that performs about on par with a GTX1660 and has at least 6GB of VRAM for under $200 seems like reasonably low expectations to have in 2023. The RX6600 was pretty much there at its lowest point in the USA. I'm in Canada though and the cheapest are almost 400 C$ now.

I haven't tried it in a while that's for sure. These were mostly experiments at the time, as I had a GTX980 in my desktop. Though I did go raiding in Cataclysm with a GT730 and it went fine. 1366x768 on that laptop's monitor only though. E350 was suitable for overworld play only I would guess. Also had a Radeon 6670 at the time that was pretty decent at it. The real problem was the little dual core CPU.

I haven't tried many games with my A380 since this latest miracle patch for Arc. When I first got it I fired up some DX12 titles with few issues (mostly audio). Older games had weird stuttering, but supposedly a lot has been solved my implementing DXVK in the drivers. (They got rid of those really irritating pop-ups too) And latest news says they are going to get rid of Arc control and merge it into the normal display settings for Intel graphics. Looking forward to that. I hope they release that Arc A550, that would be pretty cool as an entry level card.

Canada does seem to have a complete lack of RX6600 at the moment. 6650XT for $450 though.

Seem to be plenty in the US around the $240 mark. With the XT only $30 more.

 

[bit_user]

How cool would it be if EVGA licensed Imagination's IP and made their own in-house GPUs? It would be an intriguing alternate explanation for their decision to drop Nvidia. I'll bet Imagination already has reference drivers for Direct3D and OpenGL that they can use.

 

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How cool would it be if EVGA licensed Imagination's IP and made their own in-house GPUs? It would be an intriguing alternate explanation for their decision to drop Nvidia. I'll bet Imagination already has reference drivers for Direct3D and OpenGL that they can use.

You could probably also license ARM's Mali and port its Windows driver stack from ARM to x86.

 

[bit_user]

You could probably also license ARM's Mali and port its Windows driver stack from ARM to x86.

Except we know that Imagination's IP will scale up and has drivers for Windows, because a couple Chinese GPUs are using it in dGPUs. I don't know if ARM Mali has Windows drivers, and I'm pretty sure even their highest-end iGPU won't scale up to an interesting size for PC dGPUs.

Also, Imagination's driver code is more likely to be portable, because they have to support both ARM and RISC-V. You can pretty much bet ARM's Mali won't have drivers written to port to any non-ARM ISA.

 

[korekan]

Why would you think that, it hasn't been the case with any other 4000 card?

even you cant justify to purchase right. then what im thinking should be common. for those can afford xx50 and xx60