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Hello everyone, I am going to buy myself an Nvidia Titan X SC 12GB my current specs are Z97 motherboard with 32GB ram x4 8gb sticks at 1600mhz with an intel i7 4790k devil's canyon oc'ed at 5.0 ghz with watercooling. and a gold evga 1000w powersupply . 1 tb of ssd x2 hards.
My question is will getting the Nvidia Titan X sc 12gb version be able to play games at 1080p with over 65 fps? My friend is using similar system and hes getting 120 fps + in most games on ultra on 1080p he's also getting some amazing results with his titan x sc 12gb x1 in 4k as well.. 55 to 65 fps with ultra and vsync and aa turned off cuz those are crap anyway. I'd like to know how it would perform and if I should get an additional cooler for the card like an ACX from a different website or is its stock cooler allright because i heard it runs a bit HOT. My case is a full tower tho extremely well ventilated. I do not want to OC it much or watercool the GPU.
 
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Yes, it will run 1080p above 60 fps almost all the time. It will also do that most of the time at 1440p, but don't expect it to do that well in 4K.

The Titan X is the fastest card around, but technology at the moment is limited by what is possible. Set your expectations at 1440p and below for very smooth play. It would also likely do pretty well on an ultrawide screen at 3440x1440, but that would be the max I'd go for gaming right now.

If you want 4K, you'll really need two cards as fast as the Titan X. Getting two 980 ti cards would deliver that amount of power for about the same price as a single Titan x and have 6 GB of VRAM instead of 12 GB of VRAM.
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Yes, it will run 1080p above 60 fps almost all the time. It will also do that most of the time at 1440p, but don't expect it to do that well in 4K.

The Titan X is the fastest card around, but technology at the moment is limited by what is possible. Set your expectations at 1440p and below for very smooth play. It would also likely do pretty well on an ultrawide screen at 3440x1440, but that would be the max I'd go for gaming right now.

If you want 4K, you'll really need two cards as fast as the Titan X. Getting two 980 ti cards would deliver that amount of power for about the same price as a single Titan x and have 6 GB of VRAM instead of 12 GB of VRAM.
 
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Conventional wisdom is that a high-end custom GTX 980 Ti, like the MSI Lightning, is going to be cooler, quieter, and significantly faster than a TitanX. All TitanX cards are going to be reference models with stock components and reference cooling. With a custom GTX 980 Ti you'll not only get higher clock speeds out of the box, you'll also see consistently higher Turbo Boost clocks for performance that will easily outpace a TitanX, even at 4K. Unless you know for a fact that you need 12GB of VRAM, a GTX 980 Ti is simply a faster option, regardless of the fact that it'll also cost about $300 less.
 
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Thank you for your answer. Also I am not a fan of the 980's as to b ehonest i've only seen them have weak performance.. my buddy's titan x sc was owning in witcher 3 at 73 fps on ultra.. while the 980 sli of my sister, (also a gamer) were sweatin at 43-56 fps... really disappointing to be honest.. I understnad 980 is close in performance and you can get two.. but why not go for the single best gpu like the titan x sc nd later on get a second titan x sc 12gb, what are you feelings on this? Money is not an issue tbh.
 
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The 980 ti is a great card, and overclocked versions can be faster than the Titan X, but it's not a major difference.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_980_ti_g1_gaming_soc_review,17.html

OP is looking at the Superclocked version of the Titan X anyway, which will offset things a bit. The only reason that the 980 ti cards get faster out of the box is that the clock rate is turned up. For instance, the G1 Gaming - a very good 980 ti - boosts up to 1291 Mhz.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125787

That makes a card with less CUDA cores catch up to one with more, but if money isn't a consideration, then you can double it up with a high-end Titan X. For instance, the EVGA Titan X Hybrid has a water cooler and boosts up to 1241 Mhz (probably higher in actual use).

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Cooling-Graphics-12G-P4-1999-KR/dp/B00YDAYMIE

That would give you a faster overall card that will likely overclock faster than any 980 ti available.

For the OP, I saw you mentioned that the 980 isn't that great compared to the Titan X. I agree. But we aren't talking about the 980. We're talking about the 980 ti. Those letters - "ti" - account for two vastly different cards. The 980 is nowhere near as fast as the 980 ti, which is directly comparable to the Titan X for much less money.

If there's any chance that you're okay spending $1,200 - $1,300 on two 980 ti cards rather than $1.100 on a single Titan X, then definitely go with two 980 ti cards assuming you don't want to spend $2,200 on two Titan X cards. I could be wrong, though. For the best performance possible (not accounting for money) two Titan Xs Hybrids by EVGA will be fastest. You'd just need space to fit them in your case.
 
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980 isn't much better than a 780Ti. Third party 980Ti is the best bet for one card maxing things out, but even 980Ti's can't do 4k max everything. For TW3 though a GTX 980 will get you an average of 60FPS with drops to the teens @1080p ultra (note, that doesn't mean with any non-standard settings ini or otherwise) http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1947-witcher-3-pc-graphics-card-fps-benchmark Titan X and obviously 980Ti will average above 60FPS with drops to the 40s and 50s. A third party 980Ti will beat the Titan X here http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_980_ti_lightning_review,16.html.

My 980Tis hit 1423Mhz Gpu clock on air, obviously that is by no means guaranteed, you could get way better or way worse results.
 
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My Case can accomodate two titans without any issue my other question is.. these Hybrid evga titan x's do they come with a waterblock installed and they need just the , hoses, nuts, coolant, radiator/fans/ waterpump separately as well as the silver coil to prevent gunk from building up? or do they give you the entire deal? asking because my CPU's water cooling doesn;'t have too great a waterpump and its a rather small radiator/fans etc.. Also, how can the 980ti > the titan x since it has less specs?.. and less cuda cores transistors etc.. I'm a little confused how a 12gb card can be inferior to a 6gb card.. with less specifications.. now I know that the 980ti would be in SLI but isn''t SLI rated problematic? and always needs updates and stuff? Also how about the fact that the VRAM won't stack? will the other specs stack in SLI? And last of all.. my budget is around 1500$ to update my PC right now.. and another 1500$ in a few months..

 
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Mostly down to clock speed; if you can get the Titan X to the same clock speeds it should be the same or better. SLI works very well, there's always a few games where it may not work, but that's the same for CF. However SLI does work for TW3. VRAM will not stack, not unless DX12 makes it possible supposedly in the future, but even then that most likely won't apply to current games. If you only have $1500 get two 980Tis. That will blow pretty much anything away at 1080p ultra/1440p, and do very well at 4K (better than a Titan X). I use my 980Tis at 7680x1440p and they work very well.
 
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The EVGA Hybrid version of the Titan X is pre-assembled. All you have to do is install it, and then you're good to go. There's no messing around with coolant or anything because the loop is totally sealed. You just need 120 mm spots with about 2in+ of space to fit the 120mm radiator and fan. As long as it fits and has enough power, it will work - no fuss.

People are saying the 980 ti runs faster because MSI, Asus, EVGA, etc. have permission from Nvidia to overclock the cards fairly high. That just makes the core components run a little faster, but that doesn't make up for the fact that the Titan X has slightly better core components. If you run a Titan X at the same speed, it will definitely be faster, and that is what the Hybrid version does.

As for SLI, it works very well on high end cards like the 980 ti and Titan X. But you're right. It does have issues at release of games. There's usually a couple month lag where drivers won't support SLI in brnad new games, so you'll run just for card if you buy games on launch day. But that almost always clears up in time, and by that time, the game costs less anyway.

About VRAM, there's no telling now what will be "enough" in the future. Expect the lifespan of these cards to be about 3 years. By "lifespan" I mean how long they will keep you toward the very top end of computer gaming, not how long they will actually last. These cards should last longer than 3 years.

Anyway, the point is that you have to guess about whether 6 GB of VRAM will be enough for the resolution you want to run in three years. I'd guess that it probably will be enough - probably. The price of not having to worry about VRAM at all is the difference between the 980 ti and the Titan X, since 12 GB of VRAM will be more than enough more any game. That amount of VRAM is really intended for computational computer. If you're like some of my friends who do computer science research or run GPU-accelerated compilers for code, then you'll use the 12 GB more often than a game (and a gamer might not ever use that much before the card becomes obsolete).

All that said, two 980 ti cards in SLI would be about 85% - 95% faster than a single Titan X (i.e. almost twice as fast). The first of two exceptions will be for when you're waiting for an SLI driver to come out. That problem largely resolves itself, though. You'll be able to run most games on just a single card anyway, so when the update comes out, it will be just a bonus. For games that you'll need both cards, you should just wait until the SLI update comes out - and buy the game at a lower price. Then the second exception is older games that never released an SLI profile. That's a non-issue for a Titan X or a 980 ti. Either will run older games maxed out just fine, even at higher resolutions. There may be other exceptions for when SLI won't work, but I can't think of them. By and large, SLI works very well on flagship cards.

With $1,500, you could just get two 980 ti Hybrid cards right now and then put the other $1,500 in a few months toward a really sick monitor. If you get a Gsync monitor that kicks ass, then running at 40 fps is just as smooth as running at 60 fps on a standard monitor because things don't fall out of sync and stutter. That would allow 4K on an SLI setup with pretty smooth play just about all the time, and the monitor will last you longer than any component in your entire computer.

There are really good 1440p Gsync monitors, but they also make them at ultrawide (3440 x 1440), and 4K. Acer makes some good ones, and Asus just announced a new ROG Swift that's supposed to be excellent. Whatever you do, just be sure to get an IPS (or non-TN) panel. You have too much nice equipment to be on a TN panel. The tradeoffs are now minimal compares to the vastly superior image quality on an IPS display compared to a TN. Getting into OLEG is another ballgame, but those won't be available for computer monitors with Gsync for years.
 
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That makes sense now. Also What if I get a hybrid titan x sc 12gb now.. and watercool it OC' it and 2 months later i get another one and it watercool it and oc it and 2 months later ill get a bad ass monitor.. how much faster will they be over 980ti x2 in sli?

Also give me a monitor SKU or type that is really good? and makes things smooth as well as where do i find the hybrid titan x sc 12gb?? Also what is a good water-pump /radiator / fans/ hoses/nuts etc and where to get them from.. And also what does the nvidia titan x sc 12gb hybrid come out with? just a waterblock? or it comes with the entire loop? including what? my budget is 1500$ for pc every 2 months because its a surplus of my paycheck.. and my hobby is pcs.
 
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If you are going to watercool, I would just get reference Titan X or 980 ti cards and then overclock them manually. The extra money you spend on the nicer versions of the cards is primarily for the better cooler, but watercooling requires you to throw that away anyway.

Here is a list of places with the Titan X Hybrid

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-12gp41999kr

And the 980 ti Hybrid

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-06gp41996kr

Generally, use www.pcpartpicker.com to find the best retail part prices.

As for monitors, here is a link to a review for my best recommendation for your setup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_GXkjPAkDw

Followed by reviews (or just overviews) of also very good choices

--https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ImK3WMBm4
--https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNJ98TZ3xdM
--https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QiQ6y1jJ5A

Good luck!

[EDIT]

To answer your question about how much faster Titan X SLI would be than 980 ti SLI, here is a graph showing the best case I found (click image to see original article):

 
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The issue is that 12 GB of VRAM has absolutely zero benefits over 6GB under any normal gaming conditions, even at 4K.

So the difference comes down to quality components and custom cooling to allow the maximum sustained Turbo Boost clocks. All TitanX cards, including the EVGA Superclocked, come with reference components and stock cooling. These cards, without customization, will never under any circumstances achieve Turbo Boost clocks at a rate that will make up the inherent advantages of a custom cooled high-quality, factory overclocked GTX 980 Ti.

In this review, out of 15 gaming benchmarks, there wasn't one where the TitanX was faster at 4K, and in many it's not even close. Even if you did watercool a TitanX, you're still running with reference components, not built to the same level of quality as a Zotac Extreme, MSI Lightning, EVGA Kingpin, or Gigabyte Waterforce. There is no way I personally would drop myself into a TitanX moneypit when cards like those are ready to go straight out of the box for hundreds less.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GTX_980_Ti_Waterforce/23.html
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The Titan X has a terrible performance to dollar ratio compared to the 980Ti. Also you said you are playing at 1080p resolution so it makes absolutely no sense to spend $1000+ on a GPU. The 980Ti is in the same class as the Titan X in game performance for about $350 less.
 
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Pascal is the successor to Maxwell, the current chip platform in Nvidia's GPUs. It will be newer and faster, though there is no indication as to when exactly it will replace Maxwell. I don't see it happening all that soon, and even if it does, the first Pascal chips won't be so significantly faster than the flagship Maxwell cards (i.e. 980 ti and Titan X) that it will be a major issue. That said, you can always choose to wait so that you buy a card at a certain time. The question then becomes "when?" That's a whole other rat hole.
 
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