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Well, depends on what we call "hardware acceleration" for Ray-Tracing... If that implies a fixed pipeline, then it would be nasty, but if we're talking that current GPU horsepower is enough and has enough transistors to cope with the RT re-worked logic, then AMD might still be able to support it through driver compatibility.

Also: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12552/amd-announces-real-time-ray-tracing-for-prorender-and-radeon-gpu-profiler-12

They are already announcing software to work with Ray-Tracing, so there's that.

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Just an FYI, Nvidia's site switched to completely Out of Stock vs Notify me on all Pascal cards(except Quattro). I wonder if they are actually going to surprise us with Volta/Ampere at GTC? Would kinda be odd but it's also odd they went full OOS a few days before the event. Not that they weren't OOS before, but at least you could be notified.
 
Well pretty much expected that nvidia will keep very tight lip at GTC when it comes to their next generation gaming architecture. But still from the keynote yesterday the most interesting to me was the NVswitch. I think this will be the basis for nvidia version of "infinity fabric" to glue several gpu together and make the software see them as one big GPU. This DGX-2 is most likely nvidia first step to see how they work in real application and further refining the tech to realize "modular MCM GPU" design.
 


And nVidia took over ROG for video cards. Damn, it was true.

Consider me scared as hell about this...

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And as i expected AMD will retaliate with their own branding because "nvidia has forced their hands to do so". Even without GPP AMD product has always been over shadowed by nvidia one when the brand is the same. In certain ways having their own specific branding might work more in their favor even if the parent company is still the same that produce nvidia card. Worse thing we consumer just being "played" by both AMD and nvidia lol.
 
It goes deeper than that. Simplifying this issue is a bad thing to do.

The costs for AMD in this are on the marketing and "mindshare" of what Asus (and others) have already built for ROG and so on. I won't deny that if nVidia is funneling money *directly* into those, then it's fine for them to complain, but if AMD has also funneled money, they're getting screwed royally by this. And nVidia can claim no foul, since it's the OEMs with AMD that have to sort it out, even if we all know nVidia is forcing the hand behind closed doors with the OEMs.

That is why I find this terrifying: we don't know what else nVidia has in plan to further push this "I want exclusivity" to OEMs. Although true AMD is not making them any favors with (at best) on par products, the repercussions of this are long term and hard to visualize now.

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this is the sad truth with big corporation today. when they got on top they will do anything to make stay that way. play fair? then there will be no future. nvidia for their part surely have learnt their lesson when their chipset business being destroyed by intel back in 2008-2011 period. they try to play it by the book and in the end despite the 1.5bil settlement from intel it is a battle they completely lost. JHH directly said it back then: the damage has been done. if anything the "joint venture" between intel and AMD is what force nvidia in the first place to go with this GPP route. if you wait and only take action when the pain arrive then you might just as well give up the fight. because by then the outcome might as well being decided.
 
Intel is just one example. Look what Qualcomm did on the mobile soc space. They pretty much forced every phone maker to use their snapdragon package. The way how the licensing being handle will always give qualcomm the price advantage.
 
Oh, Qualcomm is another angry mammoth, but at least he pushed Intel back at some point. You don't really get in between mammoths fighting, right? 😛

ANYWAY!

This flew under the radar it seems: https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1180-specs-performance-price-release-date-prelimenary/

WTFBBQTech with the weird rumours from China (it seems) again. No sources quoted, so buckets of salt recommended.

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Haha wccf need something so they can keep the comment section got flooded by raging fanboys talking something that is not related to the article at all. Well in any case AMD start retaliating to nvidia GPP. We might start seeing something interesting coming out of this heated battle. Intel are welcome to join the fray as well :)
 
I can't wait for GPP to come back and bite Nvidia in the back side! I hate this anti-consumer garbage! I like that Intel will be joining the fray! Competition is good for the consumer!
 
GV104 is for GTX 1170 and down I bet. That would get GTX 1080 ti level performance on the 1170 and greater than GTX 1080 level performance on the GTX 1160. I think the 1180 will have 4096 cuda cores and be on GV102 or something like that. There may even be a few tensor cores thrown in for real time ray tracing.
 
I haven't seen or read anything even close to having half a spoon of salt worth to credibility yet, so the only healthy thing to do is speculate.

That being said, do we even care? My cynical self knows the cryptominers will grab them and jack up the prices to oblivion once again.

Although these should come with either GDDR5X or GDDR6 and current miners don't deal well with them, right?

Also, have I missed anything in the GPP drama-series going on? Has AMD or Intel announced anything about having "special relationships" with OEM's brandings now?

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NVIDIA GPP Opposition Grows, HP & Dell Refuse to Join, Intel Considering Legal Action
By Khalid Moammer
Apr 13
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-gpp-opposition-grows-hp-dell-say-no-intel-mulling-legal-action/

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Kyle Bennett – April 12, 2018
“Off the record conversations suggest that both of these companies think that NVIDIA GPP is unethical, and likely illegal as it pertains to anti-competition laws here in the United States. The bottom line is that Dell and HP are very much upset with NVIDIA over GPP, and Dell and HP look to be digging in for a fight.“
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Intel Gearing up for a Fight Over NVIDIA’s GeForce Partner Program
Bennett, also reports that Intel is very much aware of the GPP and the negative impact it will likely have on sales of its Kaby Lake G processor, which features a custom made Radeon GPU that AMD is producing specifically for the chip giant. Bennett goes on state that he expects Intel to initiate legal action against NVIDIA over the GeForce Partner Program.
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I can't wait for GPP to come back and bite Nvidia in the back side! I hate this anti-consumer garbage!
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will it? if anything it might strengthen their position more in the future. just look what intel did in the past with AMD and nvidia. sure they settle to both company with sum of 2.5bil but what they did in the end really worth it to solidify their position in the market. AMD finally have something to hit intel hard but that's because of intel own fault for underestimating AMD and slowing their own progress. they even replace the man that put them on top once again just because that man lack the vision to pursue the mobile space. so far i'm not seeing that with nvidia yet.
 


If we base it on what we seen in with past anti-competitive practices, they can stall any litigation in the court system long enough to do damage, but if Intel attacks them... I think Intel might have the resource to see the fruit of that litigation. But like you say it's likely not going to be any time soon. Also, I think Intel will use it's influence to push Nvidia out of the laptop space as much as it can. We see that "Dell and HP" have already chimed in against the GPP which I think shows some of Intel's influence already.
 
Where are all the Kaby Lake-G laptops? Nvidia's GeForce Partner Program may be to blame
It's been almost five months since the official reveal of Kaby Lake-G and there is only one manufacturer other than Intel currently shipping a Kaby Lake-G product. We put the pieces together to find out why there are so few of these systems in the market and why most manufacturers are staying silent on the matter.
by Allen Ngo, 2018/04/24
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Where-are-all-the-Kaby-Lake-G-laptops-Nvidia-s-GeForce-Partner-Program-may-be-to-blame.300748.0.html
 


i think this is non story since the very beginning. GPP concern is AIB not OEM maker. GPP is about reserving the "gaming" brand of the GPU to nvidia only not the entire "gaming PC or laptops". and most often OEM gaming PC are using reference design and not the more advance "Gaming" version of the GPU.



just because intel make something then all of OEM going to use them in majority of their product. OEM will still going to look at consumer demand. this intel + AMD solution is aiming towards "gaming laptops" . intel as CPU might be very popular among gamer but Radeon is not especially in laptops. which of the two will sell more: intel + geforce combo or intel + radeon combo? OEM will not going to make big commitment (large number of model and volume) unless they can be very sure they can sell them. just look what happen with smartphones. we know Qualcomm Quad cores are better than the octa core that being made by mediatek. at one point Qualcomm even made a video to mock mediatek approach. in the end they still make Octa core SoC with snapdragon 810. the reason? they outright admit it back then that consumer want an octa core phones. this intel + radeon combo is a new thing. most OEM will look at it's actual demand first before they jump right to it.
 
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