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tony singh
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@alidan how can u be so sure that kepler will be better than southern islands? I thing they'll go head t head as it did in 6000 series vs x800 series.
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I look forward to Kepler's purported improvements, but I'm not sure I can make myself wait so long.
I can pick up a stock GTX470 at Newegg.com for just under $300 after MIR (http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx?Submit=view). This is such a temptation to me, but I know there will be awesome deals starting Black Friday and into the Xmas holidays.
Decisions, decisions.
I can pick up a stock GTX470 at Newegg.com for just under $300 after MIR (http://secure.newegg.com/Shopping/ShoppingCart.aspx?Submit=view). This is such a temptation to me, but I know there will be awesome deals starting Black Friday and into the Xmas holidays.
Decisions, decisions.
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Does this mean nVidia gets that people don't like how hot the current line-up runs? It WOULD be nice to have awesome performance that doesn't require a fan that sounds like a jet engine taking off.
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Excellent news. A die shrink, and more focus on power consumption is exactly what Nvidia needs after Fermi.
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kepler will be delayed until Q1 2012, 6 months after everyone bought their 7850s.
And we won't see maxwell until 2014
And we won't see maxwell until 2014
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If u want u can keep the discussion here: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/page-298812_33_50.html#t2224646
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Elmo: Its not necessarily Keynesian economics but big government spending. You find a politician that will turn away jobs in their district for a little special favor of the monetary variety and you'll have found the needle in they haystack. Keynesian economics primarily deals with down turns in the economy by spending into a huge debt to prop up the economy... on anything that may create jobs to stimulate the economy. It's not really concerned with revolutionary inventions or whatever it's just throwing money out there and if someone invents something with it (which is why we need LESS taxation so people could have that money already rather than being graced by washington's benevolence) then that's cool. They dont care what happens to the money it's just there to fill the hole created by all the lost money in the recession.
In pretty much every case since the 191x's every downturn has been caused by the fed or federal government interfering in the economy. As an example the 08 collapse was caused primarily by the existence of fannie and freddie and their tax payer guaranteed loan backing, the community reinvestment act, the sub prime lending debacle and ultimately triggered by fas157 which enacted mark to market accounting. To explain that follow along ... 1938 i think it was, FDR creates fannie mae as a government agency to give out low interest rate mortgages. A few years later the govt had to make them a quasi private organization because the amount of money that was on the books from fannie got too big for them to keep accurate track of and guarantee. Then fast forward to the 70's and richard nixon created freddie mac to compete with fannie mae. Then later in the 70's here comes jimmy carter and he creates the community reinvestment act which says that banks and mortgage lenders have to give out loans to low income people at a certain percentage each year. So the GOVERNMENT told BANKS how to run their BUSINESS (and that's just under THIS regulation... there are plenty of others). Then we fast forward to the ~2005 sub prime lending debacle and some fly by night businesses (and some large well known ones) would sell a 30 year mortgage to someone who had no down payment and couldnt afford the minimum payment on an adjustable rate mortgage to start with let alone when the rate went up any... Then they sold those loans to fannie and freddie and the ones that they couldnt sell to them they rolled up and put them on the stock market in a mortgage backed security... trying to make their money back before the 30 years or the impending forclosure. Then in sept 2006 the fasb came up with the suggestion (the fasb is the accounting board for the SEC) that the sec implement mark to market accounting for any business reporting to the sec who's fiscal year began after nov 2007. Most businesses' fiscal years being in june or july and ironically some businesses voluntarily began using mark to market in early 07. Then hey presto when you have to mark the value of your stock down on a daily basis to keep it in accordance with the value of the item it represents (when that's a foreclosed house thats dilapidated), the stock price falls ... and with mark to market you can lose more money on a stock than you invested in it originally... that triggers what's called a margin call which is where your broker calls you and goes hey you owe me money pay up. The government's response to the crisis that they created... 700 billion dollars in bailouts AFTER giving over 200 billion to individual banks already that year. so they basically blew 1 trillion bucks to fix a problem they created... then there's a changing of the guard and another trillion dollars thrown out there and the economy has stabilized (primarily because they announced they would stop mark to market on mar10 2009... then actually stopped it june 30th 09) but its not getting any better and the government is talking of more spending.
THAT is Keynesian economics... its the people that invent stuff they just get a HUGE check from the government for their project rather than have to save for materials themselves... thus the govt OVERPAYS for an invention that someone would have made anyway (look at napster... revolutionized p2p file sharing and was done without government funds but private venture capital funds to go gold with).
In pretty much every case since the 191x's every downturn has been caused by the fed or federal government interfering in the economy. As an example the 08 collapse was caused primarily by the existence of fannie and freddie and their tax payer guaranteed loan backing, the community reinvestment act, the sub prime lending debacle and ultimately triggered by fas157 which enacted mark to market accounting. To explain that follow along ... 1938 i think it was, FDR creates fannie mae as a government agency to give out low interest rate mortgages. A few years later the govt had to make them a quasi private organization because the amount of money that was on the books from fannie got too big for them to keep accurate track of and guarantee. Then fast forward to the 70's and richard nixon created freddie mac to compete with fannie mae. Then later in the 70's here comes jimmy carter and he creates the community reinvestment act which says that banks and mortgage lenders have to give out loans to low income people at a certain percentage each year. So the GOVERNMENT told BANKS how to run their BUSINESS (and that's just under THIS regulation... there are plenty of others). Then we fast forward to the ~2005 sub prime lending debacle and some fly by night businesses (and some large well known ones) would sell a 30 year mortgage to someone who had no down payment and couldnt afford the minimum payment on an adjustable rate mortgage to start with let alone when the rate went up any... Then they sold those loans to fannie and freddie and the ones that they couldnt sell to them they rolled up and put them on the stock market in a mortgage backed security... trying to make their money back before the 30 years or the impending forclosure. Then in sept 2006 the fasb came up with the suggestion (the fasb is the accounting board for the SEC) that the sec implement mark to market accounting for any business reporting to the sec who's fiscal year began after nov 2007. Most businesses' fiscal years being in june or july and ironically some businesses voluntarily began using mark to market in early 07. Then hey presto when you have to mark the value of your stock down on a daily basis to keep it in accordance with the value of the item it represents (when that's a foreclosed house thats dilapidated), the stock price falls ... and with mark to market you can lose more money on a stock than you invested in it originally... that triggers what's called a margin call which is where your broker calls you and goes hey you owe me money pay up. The government's response to the crisis that they created... 700 billion dollars in bailouts AFTER giving over 200 billion to individual banks already that year. so they basically blew 1 trillion bucks to fix a problem they created... then there's a changing of the guard and another trillion dollars thrown out there and the economy has stabilized (primarily because they announced they would stop mark to market on mar10 2009... then actually stopped it june 30th 09) but its not getting any better and the government is talking of more spending.
THAT is Keynesian economics... its the people that invent stuff they just get a HUGE check from the government for their project rather than have to save for materials themselves... thus the govt OVERPAYS for an invention that someone would have made anyway (look at napster... revolutionized p2p file sharing and was done without government funds but private venture capital funds to go gold with).
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What happens to Nvidia's TICK-TOCK every 6 months?
Thats how the destroyed 3Dfx (okay, half... 3DFX created its own problems) and quickly kicked the old ATI in the nuts.
The OLD Days of Nvidia were the best. TNT1 ~ GeForce4-TI. Then GF5 was crap, at first - until the 5700/5900. The 6000 ~ 7000 were good, but in general - slower than ATI. 8000 was very good. 9000 was renamed 8000s and the start of the worst re-label game of history.
By mid-2011, ATI will have their 7000 Series out.
Wonder if Nvidia learned anything in these past 3 years and will work on making cooler and better chips? Or will the GTXPRO 680X make the 480Fermi look like a heating pad?
Overall, all gaming cards are in danger from lack of PC gaming tites... no games, no need for a gaming card, eh?
Thats how the destroyed 3Dfx (okay, half... 3DFX created its own problems) and quickly kicked the old ATI in the nuts.
The OLD Days of Nvidia were the best. TNT1 ~ GeForce4-TI. Then GF5 was crap, at first - until the 5700/5900. The 6000 ~ 7000 were good, but in general - slower than ATI. 8000 was very good. 9000 was renamed 8000s and the start of the worst re-label game of history.
By mid-2011, ATI will have their 7000 Series out.
Wonder if Nvidia learned anything in these past 3 years and will work on making cooler and better chips? Or will the GTXPRO 680X make the 480Fermi look like a heating pad?
Overall, all gaming cards are in danger from lack of PC gaming tites... no games, no need for a gaming card, eh?
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I really trust Maxwell and Kepler, the Quadro's are killing AMD's business GPUs. The GeForce? I lost faith in that.
"Maxwell", which should bring 16 times the performance in parallel graphics-based computing, as well as the ability to work independent of a CPU.
1)so nvidia is planning for it's intel chipset lisc. kill off, smart.
2)even smart because this will work in consoles and they stand to make a great deal of money in that market
3)it's going to a die shrink meaning it's not only going to use less power but also more transistors? usually this means a doubling of performance. this just sounds like it's going to have double the transistors using less power but the same output per transistor?
more info on transistor count (technical specs) would be interesting to know, other wise this article isn't very satisfying unless you want to know timelines to upgrade or purchase, and those aren't very accurate.
looks like nvidia will be waiting to see what amd 6XXX series will over before trying to catch up again. i as well as other that previously stated would rather see an increase in the memory bus as i would think a gtx 260 with ddr5 at 448bit would trash an 4XX series.
1)so nvidia is planning for it's intel chipset lisc. kill off, smart.
2)even smart because this will work in consoles and they stand to make a great deal of money in that market
3)it's going to a die shrink meaning it's not only going to use less power but also more transistors? usually this means a doubling of performance. this just sounds like it's going to have double the transistors using less power but the same output per transistor?
more info on transistor count (technical specs) would be interesting to know, other wise this article isn't very satisfying unless you want to know timelines to upgrade or purchase, and those aren't very accurate.
looks like nvidia will be waiting to see what amd 6XXX series will over before trying to catch up again. i as well as other that previously stated would rather see an increase in the memory bus as i would think a gtx 260 with ddr5 at 448bit would trash an 4XX series.
We can only assume that at some point between 2011 and 2013 that a maxwell prototype will attain consciousness and try to take over the world.
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