Obama

[JAYDEEJOHN]

If marriage the word can be redefined, so can the word minority be eliminated.
Its those using such attitudes who seperate us, its those who make distinctions on our differences, who often do so more in a self created path, instead of a strength.
Remove the term minority as it pertains to peoples color, not their beliefs.
Then apply equality to everyone.
This would ruin many people, and so be it.
If you had bothered johnson, the numbers I put up were from my link, where it stated it didnt include the infirm or the elderly, or those who had contributed/paid.
Those numbers are real.
No it wont be easy to find those numbers either, as our government, our leaders, the very structure that relies upon those numbers dont want them known, for many reasons, its called CYA, or job security.
The structure stinks, the attitudes stink, in the end, there arent minorities, there are only Americans

 

[johnsonma]

Not sure where you guys are getting minority argument from. The numbers i've seen peg the white population as being 40% of the welfare population.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

There you go, using white this, black that.
I wont be separated by color, no matter how anyones been trained to do so.
Its only demeaning, again, causes separation, and is fueled by bigotry.

We need a better understanding, that our leaders have chosen to break us down this way, and I wont stand for it

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Lets be fair here.
In Minneapolis, there was a racial fight in one of the high schools.
It was african americans fighting the Somali immigrants
Now, if we continue down this path, any left handed, mixed bred person with 2 different color of eyes should somehow have first call on anything statistical in regards as to how our government treats us, or how we should treat them........

 

[johnsonma]

Thats really what I was trying to say JDJ, many different types of people are on welfare.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

And all of them shouldnt have an entitlement syndrome.
I would bet that those who really need it to survive would wish they had a chance, any chance to contribute, and in any way, and most do as well.
Ive seen wheel chair folks helping the elderly in food drives etc.
I understand what some are saying here tho, that some leaders approaches to welfare, in all forms, are rights, and use it against those who would rather see whomevers on it doing something more with their lives, and the ones who would rather see them doing more are the ones actually pulling for them to do so, and not keeping the status quo, where the leaders, or proponents of welfare wish to keep the status quo, and do woefully little to change this, and act as if all their time is spent defending the "rights" of the people to retain their welfare.
I would like to see some pro business attitudes, some get off your arses attitudes, help your neighbor attitudes, your turn in the evil man, you know who he is attitudes come from these leaders, instead of waste their time "protecting" the people from others who either wish them well, or simply really have no power or desire to end them.
Like Carrolla said, who would really starve to death if we removed all the forms of welfare from those that simply dont need it, would any truly starve?
If our neighbors, our country is that bad, then our government cant be any better.

So, to me, this is all a waste of time when I see our leaders doing these things, time , money and bigotry, a try at separating us, and for the worst cause, supposedly us

 

[musical marv]

I think that food stamps are a great idea to help people out when they are having a rough time in their life. Also medicare and medicaid are essential for the poor and elderly. The exponential rise of the cost of healthcare is the root cause of the problem with these programs. It may become inevitable that we have to cut some of these two programs because of healthcare costs but saying that it is welfare and should be cut completely is just ignorant of your fellow Americans struggles.

Unemployment and welfare should have incredibly stringent standards to make mooching almost impossible. If there truly are 3rd and 4th generation families on welfare then there needs to be consequences for not contributing to our society. I tried to research this idea a little more but the resources are scarce.

Also, a lot of people on welfare are people with disabilities. Nothing you can do there really.

Unemployment has some serious requirements to qualify for, but I think the maximum you should be able to be on unemployment in most cases is 2 years.

You are right on unemployment requirements. Even 2 years is to much. I say 1 year.Some people do want to work but when they see unemployment benefits kick in they become somewhat lazier and just give up on looking for a job.

 

[tuxborg]

Remind me again why a system of theft under threat of imprisonment or death is required to fund such charity organizations?

If one has a system in place where if you vote, you can encourage someone in office to steal from others to provide for you, then how can their ever be any incentive to scale back the theft and long-term dependence? It is not in the thief's interest (the politician) to make his constituents LESS dependent on his or her favors. Similarly, it is not in the interest of the dependent to curb or discontinue the aid he or she receives. Neither one of them seems to have a problem with others being robbed to provide these services, rather than the natural occurrence of people giving charitably to those who are in need.

I just find it rather bizarre that one can presume democracy works (ie. "the majority," wants to give charitably to the poor) and yet insists that such charity would disappear if the state did not enforce charitable donations on pain of imprisonment. Either democracy is a sham and most people (liberals included) don't have the slightest interest in the poor and are cynically manipulating the system OR most people do actually want to give charitably to the poor and would give more in the absence of a state apparatus siphoning off a large amount of their current "donation."

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Whats worse is, after attaining those monies, they have many paid working shuffling the monies around, with great benefits and sometimes pay as well, but, to top it off, our "leaders" have convinced some that removing such a structure would be harmful to our economy by those same workers losing their jobs.
Folks, thats socialism for socialisms sake

 

[musical marv]

I think that food stamps are a great idea to help people out when they are having a rough time in their life. Also medicare and medicaid are essential for the poor and elderly. The exponential rise of the cost of healthcare is the root cause of the problem with these programs. It may become inevitable that we have to cut some of these two programs because of healthcare costs but saying that it is welfare and should be cut completely is just ignorant of your fellow Americans struggles.

Unemployment and welfare should have incredibly stringent standards to make mooching almost impossible. If there truly are 3rd and 4th generation families on welfare then there needs to be consequences for not contributing to our society. I tried to research this idea a little more but the resources are scarce.

Also, a lot of people on welfare are people with disabilities. Nothing you can do there really.

Unemployment has some serious requirements to qualify for, but I think the maximum you should be able to be on unemployment in most cases is 2 years.

How about the wasted wars we spent in billions of dollars that our country could have used for the poor and needy.That sure counts.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

How about us just turning tail and running
That will prop up the dollar and make us strong in the worlds eye, and Im sure it wouldnt have any effect whatsoever.
Yea, better to run, not allow guns, ask, dont tell, the government for needs.
I like this mindset, we will never have to grow up

 

[riser]

I think that food stamps are a great idea to help people out when they are having a rough time in their life. Also medicare and medicaid are essential for the poor and elderly. The exponential rise of the cost of healthcare is the root cause of the problem with these programs. It may become inevitable that we have to cut some of these two programs because of healthcare costs but saying that it is welfare and should be cut completely is just ignorant of your fellow Americans struggles.

Unemployment and welfare should have incredibly stringent standards to make mooching almost impossible. If there truly are 3rd and 4th generation families on welfare then there needs to be consequences for not contributing to our society. I tried to research this idea a little more but the resources are scarce.

Also, a lot of people on welfare are people with disabilities. Nothing you can do there really.

Unemployment has some serious requirements to qualify for, but I think the maximum you should be able to be on unemployment in most cases is 2 years.

How about the wasted wars we spent in billions of dollars that our country could have used for the poor and needy.That sure counts.

Those billions helped millions of poor and needy people. We built schools, roads, and hospitals in those countries. One step closer hopefully. It also created a lot of companies in the US, look at drones taking off, private security companies who work outside of warzones now, and the entire ripple effect of that. In fact, the wars probably did more to spur the economy on than against it. Isn't this the "stimulus" spending you believe the gov't should be doing? Instead of handing it out to the select few, it is being paid to productive companies and their employees.

 

[johnsonma]

Some of the spending did help spur economic growth, it goes in line with that whole military-industrial complex idea. It could have been used much more effectively though since a large portion of it was was spent just moving equipment, feeding soldiers, etc.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Yea, such a waste feeding soldiers, but great if youve never worked a day in your life

 

[riser]

Food stamps are a good idea except too much is given. I know a guy who receives $1500 a month in food stamps for himself and his 3 adult sons. He sells over half his stamps a month to people for half price. $10 food stamps for $5.

I'm not against social programs, I think far better oversight and regulation of this is needed.

 

[johnsonma]

There will always be people trying to game the system, we shouldn't let that stop us from helping those who are truly in need. I do agree measures need to be taken to limit it though.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

It all needs to be done with a swipe card, no stamps to divy out then, tho someone can still "buy" groceries for someone else.

 

[riser]

A simple solution would be to average out what the average person uses. Periodically adjust the amount provided; Using proper metrics would give a high/low of what a person would spend.

 

[musical marv]

I think that food stamps are a great idea to help people out when they are having a rough time in their life. Also medicare and medicaid are essential for the poor and elderly. The exponential rise of the cost of healthcare is the root cause of the problem with these programs. It may become inevitable that we have to cut some of these two programs because of healthcare costs but saying that it is welfare and should be cut completely is just ignorant of your fellow Americans struggles.

Unemployment and welfare should have incredibly stringent standards to make mooching almost impossible. If there truly are 3rd and 4th generation families on welfare then there needs to be consequences for not contributing to our society. I tried to research this idea a little more but the resources are scarce.

Also, a lot of people on welfare are people with disabilities. Nothing you can do there really.

Unemployment has some serious requirements to qualify for, but I think the maximum you should be able to be on unemployment in most cases is 2 years.

Now Obama wants to cut SS and the Medicare entitlement programs.What a phony he is turning out to be.He was never for the seniors or poor or middle class he is for himself and his power he needs to prove and his elitist friends.Sad indeed.

 

[riser]

Well Marv, I'm glad you finally see it though it is too late. Romney may be some rich white guy but he would have made harder decisions and probably been a one term president.. but a President with a legacy of making hard decisions to fix real issues.

 

[johnsonma]

Romney would have done the same thing, do enough to get reelected but not so much as to be a one term president. Obama had to put some cuts on the table to get a meaningful deal passed. It sucks but the republicans in the house would never pass a bill that didn't have some entitlement cuts in it.

Too bad for all that gerrymandering haha.

On a side note, I think there are very few presidents that have faced the kind of issues Obama has. He will be one of the most memorable presidents of this country, whether you like him or not.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I fear the problem resides as to how history will remember him, not by the current revisionist fools, but real time worn history.

 

[riser]

Memorable by his constant golfing, parties, and travel?

Did you know George W. Bush stopped playing golf (avid golfer) because we were at war? He didn't want to be seen as that kind of person.
Did you know George W. Bush didn't travel during Christmas so his staff and secret service could spend it with their families instead?
Did you know George W. Bush didn't attend many sporting events or public events because of the security impact and delays it caused to everyone else?

Did you know President Obama is aware of this and that he chooses to not follow that modest path?

Did you also know there is a ton of excess that can be cut from the budget that produces nothing but creates waste?

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

I havnt seen Obama live a faith, none, not one.
That explains Christmas
In Obamaland, if youre the president, and especially one so cool, everyone understands its all under control, and golfing isnt a big deal.
George doesnt understand bling, simple as that, just as rap wont do gay

 

[johnsonma]

Lol, nothing in either of your posts makes any substantial points. I haven't seen Obama live a faith? Awesome, thats is great news, someone who doesn't base decisions on what the floating man in the sky might think.

Not sure how to break this to you riser but those simple things mean absolutely nothing when looking at the greater picture. A president is always working and he has taken far fewer "vacation days" than bush. Traveling for christmas? Really? This is how you judge a president?

The fact that you consider him memorable by his constant golfing, parties and travel shows how distorted your view of him is. You hate him because he doesn't believe what you do, just like the shia and sunni hate each other in iraq. Its really the same thing, hating someone because they believe differently then you is a sure fire way to hinder your perspective.

I wouldn't judge Bush by the amount of vacation he took while in office, I would judge him by his failed education policy. the war in Iraq and in a way, Hurricane Katrina. I would also judge him by his failure to stop the economic collapse, even though I give him credit for seeing it coming. I also didn't hate him for making decisions I was against, in fact I forced myself to appreciate the situation he was in.

You both can continue to judge Obama by lack of faith(haha), golfing and what he does on christmas. I will judge a president by the merit of their decisions and policies over the long term.