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Oakland Police Department #OccupyOakland [Riot] Activity Report Oct 25, 2011
BREAKING: #OccupyOakland Vandalizes Whole Foods Store, Smashes Bank of America Windows, Activists Claim One Killed By Car UPDATE: False Alarm
I sympathize with the marine and it is a shame he was injured, but let's keep things in perspective; Occupy Oakland and the injured marine are not innocent victims.
wanamingo
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I dunno I saw the footage of him getting hit and he wasn't provoking anyone.
I just dont follow the logic of "People are vandalizing private property, therefore everyone in the streets not wearing riot gear is a target." - Seems kinda totalitarian.
This man was the 1% willing to fight and die for the 99%. And when he peacefully protests a wrong (He believes) he gets struck down by his own country. The people he chose to defend.
Its not so much crowd control as it is a display of power against the protesters.
I just dont follow the logic of "People are vandalizing private property, therefore everyone in the streets not wearing riot gear is a target." - Seems kinda totalitarian.
This man was the 1% willing to fight and die for the 99%. And when he peacefully protests a wrong (He believes) he gets struck down by his own country. The people he chose to defend.
Its not so much crowd control as it is a display of power against the protesters.
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I agree with you Oldman there should be some resolution for this guy some questions need to be answered.
But at the same time I feel like our police force shouldnt be so indiscriminate with its power / guns.
Thats why surgeons use a scalpel and not a hammer.
But at the same time I feel like our police force shouldnt be so indiscriminate with its power / guns.
Thats why surgeons use a scalpel and not a hammer.
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I think the real proyestors, the ones who originally started this, they should reorganize, make lists, take photos, and start anew.
If any of the rotten ones shows up, its out the door with em
If any of the rotten ones shows up, its out the door with em
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFZh3-r7DVw
You mean Van Jones stold this from Charlie, who stold it from the Beatles?
You mean Van Jones stold this from Charlie, who stold it from the Beatles?
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No,no.
Obama caused the depression to bailout banks to bail Solyndra to cause corporate greed waves to caused liberals to get pissed to get Canadians to get Americans to occupy wall street to go to Oakland to cause problems for the police so Harold Camping can make another 'prophesy' so that Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck can be entertained so Wolf Blitzer can report on the news...
That is what he meant.
No. Obama did not cause OWS. Blame Canada.
True story.
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You send them out to protect everyone, then send more people in?
Mixed messages to be sure.
She puts the city at risk, by either possibly having a city employee somehow getting mixed up in the violence, or, with greater numbers, the police doing something unfortunate. Id point out, friendly fire is a much too large percentage of casualties in war
Mixed messages to be sure.
She puts the city at risk, by either possibly having a city employee somehow getting mixed up in the violence, or, with greater numbers, the police doing something unfortunate. Id point out, friendly fire is a much too large percentage of casualties in war
wanamingo
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Jack Abramoff describes how lobbying affects Congress.
Interesting piece about how Jack Abramoff bought congress.
I posted this because this is how Loopholes are made. And we all know the government makes loopholes all by themselves, no interference from outside parties.*snicker*
Interesting piece about how Jack Abramoff bought congress.
I posted this because this is how Loopholes are made. And we all know the government makes loopholes all by themselves, no interference from outside parties.*snicker*
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So the main problem here is that our politicians are human. Well I understand that Watson might need some work after his doctor stint.
Doing the right thing for the good of all is a pretty radical thing. Its not like corruption is a recent thing. Every single society has fought with corruption and people abusing power. I mean Judas killed the SON OF GOD for a few coins (well anecdotally, the accuracy of that book is a totally different debate....).
The blame machine is an odd creature. Do we blame the people receiving the bribes or the people handing out the bribes? You also have to remember that most of these people are professional politicians, they have nothing else to fall back on.
Maybe removing the temptation should be the first step? Get rid of money in politics and corruption will follow.
Doing the right thing for the good of all is a pretty radical thing. Its not like corruption is a recent thing. Every single society has fought with corruption and people abusing power. I mean Judas killed the SON OF GOD for a few coins (well anecdotally, the accuracy of that book is a totally different debate....).
The blame machine is an odd creature. Do we blame the people receiving the bribes or the people handing out the bribes? You also have to remember that most of these people are professional politicians, they have nothing else to fall back on.
Maybe removing the temptation should be the first step? Get rid of money in politics and corruption will follow.
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But did they want to give that power to the wealthy? I dont follow.
It seems to me that in America money = power
The system seems to be setup so that those in power (With money) remain in power.
I'm all for a smaller centralized government, but I feel like the root issues of money invading politics still remains. You are just shifting power from one hand to the other and maybe spreading it out a little. This might make abuse even easier, buying off a congressman must be expensive but a few state selectmen and a governor or mayor, chump change.
Even then you dont have to focus on a whole congress just buy your way into turning Iowa into a third world country then they can do all of the manufacturing here. The problem here is not just a large powerful government but large powerful corporations with a different agenda then what the gov should want for its people.
It seems to me that in America money = power
The system seems to be setup so that those in power (With money) remain in power.
I'm all for a smaller centralized government, but I feel like the root issues of money invading politics still remains. You are just shifting power from one hand to the other and maybe spreading it out a little. This might make abuse even easier, buying off a congressman must be expensive but a few state selectmen and a governor or mayor, chump change.
Even then you dont have to focus on a whole congress just buy your way into turning Iowa into a third world country then they can do all of the manufacturing here. The problem here is not just a large powerful government but large powerful corporations with a different agenda then what the gov should want for its people.
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I agree with a lot of points you make.
Spreading the power among the states makes a more balanced and stable power structure. Much like the way the Titanic compartmentalized to lessen damage done in a crash......bad analogy.
I still fail to see how this protects people from unfair business practices, or campaign donations, or super pacs, or lobbying. Is the gov just a regulating body for business?
You have to read the link im going to provide. Its older from 1998 but still very relevant. Its the lobbyists playbook. So its not so easy as a company simply bribing another person. Or a guy giving a cop 100$ to ignore his ticket.
http://www.polisci.ccsu.edu/trieb/InfluGov.html
Spreading the power among the states makes a more balanced and stable power structure. Much like the way the Titanic compartmentalized to lessen damage done in a crash......bad analogy.
I still fail to see how this protects people from unfair business practices, or campaign donations, or super pacs, or lobbying. Is the gov just a regulating body for business?
You have to read the link im going to provide. Its older from 1998 but still very relevant. Its the lobbyists playbook. So its not so easy as a company simply bribing another person. Or a guy giving a cop 100$ to ignore his ticket.
http://www.polisci.ccsu.edu/trieb/InfluGov.html
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However, with corporations, they have money...and money talks.
If the People do not have the money politicians want, then why should they listen to us? And, no, not because of constitutional duty.
Gamer, with all do respect: It seems that those who have the most power are those with the special interests. You and I do not count. You and I are not a powerhouse that our Founding Fathers wanted us to be. wee have failed to gain control of this country. instead, we leave it to 'elite' groups. ( I say elite loosely as anyone can interpret that wrongly.)
What mingo is trying to say is that corporations do control congress, much more than the people. If I were to own a corporation, I could go to my Senator and have him lower my taxes while I pay for his re-election. Where would he get the lost taxes? State schools, infrastructure programs, health system programs...ect...
why do you think our congress has left us with no money? Because they drained it out and left a backdoor open for anyone to swindle you and me.
If the People do not have the money politicians want, then why should they listen to us? And, no, not because of constitutional duty.
Gamer, with all do respect: It seems that those who have the most power are those with the special interests. You and I do not count. You and I are not a powerhouse that our Founding Fathers wanted us to be. wee have failed to gain control of this country. instead, we leave it to 'elite' groups. ( I say elite loosely as anyone can interpret that wrongly.)
What mingo is trying to say is that corporations do control congress, much more than the people. If I were to own a corporation, I could go to my Senator and have him lower my taxes while I pay for his re-election. Where would he get the lost taxes? State schools, infrastructure programs, health system programs...ect...
why do you think our congress has left us with no money? Because they drained it out and left a backdoor open for anyone to swindle you and me.
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What about 2010?
I agree we need real change. Not change, re-engineering of our government.
What saddens me is that you guys put up with it so long. Look what we have now: The TEA Party and OWS.
Good job America...good job!
I agree we need real change. Not change, re-engineering of our government.
What saddens me is that you guys put up with it so long. Look what we have now: The TEA Party and OWS.
Good job America...good job!
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I'm still in favor of donations by individuals and by individuals only. If the individuals that make up a corporation (that's all it is, anyway) all want to give some of the money that they get from their corporation jobs to a candidate or a political cause, so be it. Taking money from the stockpile of the corporation itself, however, the cash pile independent of the individuals that compose it, is like stealing company profits from any of the members of the company that aren't in favor of the donation.
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They can spend millions on lobbying, no? It's true (I didn't know; thanks, mingo) about the direct campaign contributions, but we know that there are plenty of ways to get around those particular laws. What about the corporate private jets that are flying Perry all over the place? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/04/us/politics/for-perry-use-of-private-jets-as-part-of-job.html?pagewanted=all
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