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AMD/Nvidia have as much hassle as each other.
My view:
AMD drivers cause errors with windows 7 (my experience)
Nvidia drivers either gain performance or lose it.
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This, AMD plagued with driver hassels, Nvidia plagued by delays. But we digress, on the benches still rather shocked at you SLI score. I was expecting more to be honest, considering the GTX 580 was undoubtedly the king of the previous generation.
 
@sarinaide Thanks for bringing the scaling to my attention from my research I've found the best tested scaling drivers for the 580GTX are the 262.99 release and from Nvidias driver data base they were the very last available!

And I have never run those exact drivers! Thank You! Ry
 
was not my score...
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Hence why it seemed wrong a GTX 580 is a monster and that just didn't seem right for a SLI bench.

I am trying to see results from our local OC community that have tested SLI 580's, though we don't run SLI/CF or dual GPU's for our benches so it will be private stash. I would say a GTX 580 SLI should hit 14.5~15k with ease.
 
Crap, I have my new rig assembly halted waiting for the 3570k to be available. Upgrading from a Q6600, I was initially going for the 2500K, but here is no sense in buying a SB cpu when IB is almost out.
 
Ivy Bridge: i7 or i5 ???

I've never had Intel before so, how do I determine if I need an Ivy Bridge i7 3770 or if an IB i5 3570 will due just fine?

I have no intention of overclocking because;

1. I'm no gamer (occasional online stuff)
2. I want my system to have a very long lifespan.

Is there a noticeable difference between the i7 3770 and the i5 3570? Is it worth the extra $100?

The only differences I see between the i7 and i5 are:

- $100

- i7 has 4 cores/8 threads while the i5 has 4/4.

How much of a difference will this make and where?

- i7 has HD4000 graphics while i5 has HD2500. I'd prefer the 4k graphics for obvious reasons.

According to this review the i5 3570k was a larger improvement over the Sandy i5 2500k (8%). While the i7 3770k is only a 5% improvement over the Sandy i7 2700:

Desktop Ivy Bridge. Intel Core i7-3770K and Core i5-3570K Processors Review
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-3770k-i5-3570k.html

* However, the Ivy Bridge CPU's consume about 20% less power:

"There were rumors that Intel increased the TDP of the senior 22nm CPUs to 95 watts although had planned to set it at 77 watts. Intel representatives told us that it was just a rumor, though. The actual TDP of the new CPUs, including the Core i7-3770K, is indeed limited to 77 watts but 95 watts is written on their packaging in order to maintain the standard scale of 35/65/95 watts that many Intel partners have got used to. Thus, the Ivy Bridge series can be expected to consume about 20% less power compared to the 95-watt CPUs with the previous microarchitecture."

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-3770k-i5-3570k_8.html
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Sweet! Sticky!

Anyway, would the handbrake advantage be due to the 100MHz higher clock?

EDIT: Bah... right. 100MHz isn't much, is it, malmental. Yeah... funny how the forum member that started the stickied thread doesn't know much about CPUs :lol:
 
Yeah, malmental. Read the edit above for my reply... I need to post another question, though.

How much longer is SB going to be available? 'Cause I don't want to get stuck (as of now, yes, stuck) with an IB chip.
 
you have more to learn.
depending on usage and overclocking you might have been better off going with 25xxK..
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ivy is generally better choice I would imagine. Unless you want to run at 4.5+ghz 24/7 I would think ivy is perfectly good and offers better single threaded performance and using less power sometimes. You also get quicksync 2.0 if you need it. I don't see the point of going sandy when you can get ivy unless sandy is much cheaper.
 
^Agreed. Check out some benchmarks and stuff... 4.5GHz is where the problems seem to really start, though.

esrever... you get me with that profile picture EVERY SINGLE TIME! 😱
 
So, summarizing that article, it seems that Intel has released a competitor for APUs (sort of) with better IGP.

So it's worthless to us. It's just Intel covering their bases.
 
but +0.1GHz is +2.2%
We praise other players for such gains, why not intel
edit: I should read to bottom of thead before responding. I think we're past this lol ...
 
you have more to learn.
depending on usage and overclocking you might have been better off going with 25xxK..
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You've said it yourself, usage and overclocking.
I realize that SB is still superior on someways but this CPU will go into a gaming rig with mild overclocking (since I'm sticking to air cooling). I will not be aiming for Über +4.7 GHz speeds so I guess Im not too far off and that IB fits my bill, but hey, I haven't put down the money yet and I'm happy to hear any suggestions and/or suggestion.
 
Conclusions

Intel's transformation from a graphics laggard to a viable competitor has been a long journey. The strategy has been one of consistent and measured improvement, rather than a dramatic revolution. With Sandy Bridge, Intel doubled the graphics performance of the previous generation Ironlake, and brought acceptable integrated graphics to the PC ecosystem in early 2010.
Ivy Bridge tackles GPU programmability and will nearly double performance yet again.

Competitively, the Sandy Bridge GPU was eclipsed 6 months after release by AMD's Llano GPU, which was both higher performance and programmable.
The saving grace was Intel's industry leading media encoding and decoding. Based on reviews and benchmarks, the gap in graphics performance varies from 1.3× to 2×.
AMD's next integrated offering in Trinity is reportedly 1.3× to 1.5× faster than the previous generation and should have competitive media processing.

Putting this all together, Intel will substantially narrow the gap with AMD for integrated graphics capabilities in 2012. Actual product level performance depends on pricing, binning and the market. For instance, Intel has an edge for very low power designs due to process technology. The 22nm FinFETs are exceptionally efficient at low voltage and it is likely that Ivy Bridge will match Trinity for 17W designs. At 25-35W for conventional notebooks, Intel should trail by around 20%, which is close enough to be competitive.
Looking to desktops though, AMD will have a substantial advantage and the performance gap may be much higher.

Based on these estimates, the Ivy Bridge GPU will be the first truly competitive integrated graphics solution and a significant milestone for Intel.
AMD has the benefit of over a decade of experience with high performance graphics and can leverage tremendous investments in discrete GPUs.
While Intel might lack the same experience, it appears that a full process node advantage (22nm vs. 32nm) makes up for this deficiency.
Ivy Bridge should exceed Llano in most workloads, and compared to Trinity, narrow the performance gap to reasonable levels for most markets.

Looking forward, there are some features that simply did not make it into Ivy Bridge and are obvious candidates for Haswell. In particular, the programmability is still somewhat nascent. Features such as DX11.1 and OpenCL 1.2 were omitted either due to project timing or risk and complexity reasons, and are expected in the next generation.
System level integration was mostly unchanged in Ivy Bridge, but will probably be updated for Haswell. That would present an opportunity for more elegant sharing of the virtual address space and coherent communication between the CPU and GPU and greater efficiency.
The performance should increase, particularly if the rumors are correct and there are 3 different variants of Haswell.
That would give Intel the freedom to aggressively push performance for an expensive, high-end version, without compromising cost for the 'free' or mainstream flavors.
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Should have. nVidias solution should also be competitive but still falls very short of QS.

Of course I want to see image quality results but still its impressive that such little die space can take on monster die GPUs......
 
Intel's graphics driver is also being re-architected, although independently from the release of Ivy Bridge. Historically, Intel's GPUs have been relatively low performance, so the CPU overhead was negligible on modern processors and the focus was on functionality rather than optimization. In comparison, AMD and Nvidia have products that are an order of magnitude faster and the driver stack must have similarly less CPU overhead. To prepare for future integrated GPUs which will be even faster, Intel is planning to reduce the driver overhead to comparable levels when measured in CPU cycles per draw call. To accomplish this, a new graphics driver architecture is expected later this year. The current driver has a layer that abstracts away the underlying GPU hardware from the OS. The newer architecture eliminates this abstraction layer, so that the driver is tailored to a specific OS and hardware combination, but lower overhead.

From the same link
 



Battery life.
 
mild overclock will still run hotter than SB, but I don't see an issue either way.
it seems Ivy is a little fickle still..
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heat isn't a issue when you are comparing different chips considering the transistors are different. For all we know, ivy could handle more heat than sandy.

from what I seen a mild OC on ivy is no problem so I don't see the need to avoid it unless you want to push more than 4.5ghz, 24/7.

Personally I would choose Ivy given the chance between the 2.
 
Good Information regarding Overclocking IB

Disappointing information to me, :ouch: but what is to be expected when new technology is added to the SB basic package, you're going to have to pay for it, somewhere. :non:

The testing cooling he uses leaves much to be desired but not all overclockers strive for the same thing either. :heink:

I have to admit the SB 2500K has completely spoiled me! :bounce:

Being tested and solid enough to punch in the multiplier level and voltage to run that multiplier in the BIOS, save and exit, and Wallah! you're there! from any range between 3.3ghz to 5.1ghz, is enough to spoil anyone. 😛

What surprises me more, is that Intel did not release this shrunken head version of a Sandy Bridge Frankenstein Monster in a new socket. :lol:

I apologize if that offends the IB flag wavers, but end result wise, it is, what it is! :pfff:

This is my opinion only, and FYI no contrary arguments will be changing my opinion! 😗

However not every overclocking possibility has been explored yet either. 😱

When the Sandy Bridge Ks were first released, all we heard were limitations, limitations, limitations. 🙁

When there actually were ways around those limitations, that had not been discovered yet, so there could be a light at the end of the tunnel for IB too, we'll see! Ryan
 
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=24523

Poor overclocker but low TDP ... poor graphics.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5763/undervolting-and-overclocking-on-ivy-bridge

"The bad news is that it perhaps will not overclock as well as people think it should. Those wishing for 4.8GHz at 1.4 volts (similar to Sandy Bridge) will run into a lot of issues if they think that 1.4 volts is appropriate for Ivy Bridge. In comparison, you may end up with something more reasonable like 4.6GHz at 1.1 volts, or 4.8GHz at 1.2 volts (as per some boards I have tested). Then it will be a case of deciding whether the small IPC gains that Ivy brings will be worth 200 MHz less on your CPU compared to Sandy Bridge".

Ian Cutress Anandtech.

Keep your SB / SBE ... hell keep your Nehalem.

It should make a mean low power laptop tho ... maybe the next few days will bring some surprises wrt overclocking ... who knows.

1.3 volts looks scary ...
 
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