Official Intel Ivy Bridge Discussion

[amdfangirl]

I was really in hopes of a SB or IB CPU advancement that was not sporting IGP, not a crippled CPU like the 2550K, but a CPU completely designed for the discrete GPU crowd.

The hopes were without all that additional IGP processing and the IGP controller on board the CPU, we would be able to reach even higher goals on the overclocking front.

All that added IGP stolen performance from the CPUs raw capabilities would have been really beneficial to have had full access to for the discrete GPU user crowd.

I know IGP is the future, but it would still be nice to have it both ways.

So you're waiting for IVB-E?

 

[4Ryan6]

So you're waiting for IVB-E?

Yes!

If it doesn't turn out to be a disappointment.

 

[amdfangirl]

I'd say you're safe, since Intel probably will have a more mature process and use higher quality materials to set itself apart. I think Intel's IVB-E will be fine .

 

[-Fran-]

http://www.overclockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/oc-ivydie-2-640x291.jpg
Ivy Bridge Temperatures – It’s Gettin’ Hot in Here..."
http://www.overclockers.com/ivy-bridge-temperatures

In light of that article... Anyone willing to remove the metal cap and run some testings? Mr. Chris? 😗

Cheers! xD

 

[Reynod]

when the rumours were flying around regarding IB being delayed perhaps Intel used paste as a TIM under the IHS as opposed to fluxless solder as it reduced the time to ship ... thus avoiding the delayed launch date.

The consumer gets a shoddy product with all of the attendant issues but Intel doesn't look anywhere near as dodgy as NVidia does with the unobtainable GTX680.

Food for thought.

Looks like a lot of overclockers are going to be ripping off the IHS to squeeze better performance out of them.

A word of caution ... if your going to do this take a lot of care ... look at how others have done it.

Get 4 of those little rubber spacers to put on the corners ... to avoid crushing the edge of the CPU when installing the cooler.

It might pay to check the cooler base is nice and flat ... and polished nicely to ensure a perfect fit ... use quality TIM ... look up the sticky on the best TIM's you can buy.

 

[bruce555]

So, anyone find a place that is selling Ivy yet?

 

[bergami]

I wonder if should I forget the 3570K and go for the 2500k.

I think my Antec H2O 620 could put the 2500k between 4.5~5.0.

But this 3570k... 4.2~4.4 would be really hot.

I wonder if that % that the 3570k is worth enough to beat a 2500k very well OC as good it is.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?p=21107#post21107

 

[-Fran-]

So it's either they screwed with the new mix for the TIM paste or they did it for time reasons?

Cheers!

 

[esrever]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_3770K_Ivy_Bridge_GPU/23.html

HD4000 gets benched at TPU. About as fast as a 520gt and less powerful than the HD6450.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Apparently, the tri gate design has been honed to a designed leakage, the tim was the solution they came away with, but I dont think its about time nor costs, and if of those two, it would be costs.
People are arguing about the cold bug is lessened with this method as well, for those going LN2, and it appears theyre right.

My overall takeaway is, Intel designed it this way, to control leakage, but the design itself allows for a higher Max

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_3770K_Ivy_Bridge_GPU/23.html

HD4000 gets benched at TPU. About as fast as a 520gt and less powerful than the HD6450.

Heres whats interesting about this.
Intel is nearing its maximum ability, in current form, that form being cpu to gpu ratio, much as we see nVidia pushing that limit with its top cards on discrete.
Theres much room one more time for improvement regarding di space and power, but after that, it becomes a trade of, less or more gpu for cpu and vice versa.

So, tho Haswell will be quite nice for gfx, these huge jumps ends there, unless as I said, they start sacrificing cpu space/power for gpu

 

[ddan49]

No! Moore's law will save us all!

 

[g4114rd0]

Ivy Bridge Overclocking Guide (with LN2 Guide at The End)
TJ Max for Ivy Bridge is 105C, however you shouldn’t go above 85-90C load when overclocking..."
http://www.overclock.net/t/1247413/ivy-bridge-overclocking-guide-with-ln2-guide-at-the-end

 

[ddan49]

Wait... what's their recommendation for SB, then?

 

[Cazalan]

Heres whats interesting about this.
Intel is nearing its maximum ability, in current form, that form being cpu to gpu ratio, much as we see nVidia pushing that limit with its top cards on discrete.
Theres much room one more time for improvement regarding di space and power, but after that, it becomes a trade of, less or more gpu for cpu and vice versa.

So, tho Haswell will be quite nice for gfx, these huge jumps ends there, unless as I said, they start sacrificing cpu space/power for gpu

Intel has said they're sticking with 4 cores for the mainstream, so any process shrinks will allow for more gpu space. They're adding transactional cache and a L4 cache as well. Those will have a whole new effect on performance.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Granted, if the BW is limited, which will be a potential problem here, those will help, but I think we will see this on Haswell.

I wonder if IB will get a solder for tim part....
That would be nice, and it would rock

 

[4Ryan6]

Food for thought.

Looks like a lot of overclockers are going to be ripping off the IHS to squeeze better performance out of them.

A word of caution ... if your going to do this take a lot of care ... look at how others have done it.

Get 4 of those little rubber spacers to put on the corners ... to avoid crushing the edge of the CPU when installing the cooler.

It might pay to check the cooler base is nice and flat ... and polished nicely to ensure a perfect fit ... use quality TIM ... look up the sticky on the best TIM's you can buy.

I would hope our users here would have better sense than that, once the IHS is removed so is the WARRANTY.

Any physical alterations to the CPU is an automatic warranty void, and it won't make one bit of difference to Intel if they bought the additional overclocking warranty, that does not cover physical CPU alterations.

 

[ddan49]

Oh yeah. At that point, I don't know why someone would BUY IB... if you want it to run cooler, get SB (while it lasts).

 

[4Ryan6]

To the forum,

Not everyone will even be overclocking their IB, so that factor is totally irrelevant to the everyday user, and if you are the individual with no overclocking intentions at all then you should take the IB performance gains for their exact results.

Overclockers are a small minority to the entire worlds computer use base, to 99% of my friends and family overclocking is setting your clock ahead to get to work early, they don't even know what computer overclocking is.

It amazes me that the majority see the overclocking gains of LN2 which is totally irrelevant to any daily use or any overclocker that is after daily 24/7 stability, overclockers go for what they can get the most performance from, if you do not know that, you do not need to be overclocking in the first place.

So if you have no intentions of overclocking disregard all this overclocking performance talk affecting your IB purchase decision, it does not apply to you!

 

[ctbaars]

I would hope our users here would have better sense than that, once the IHS is removed so is the WARRANTY..

Yup and nope ... in light of your next post. edited to highlight my point.

To the forum, Not everyone will even be overclocking their IB, ... Overclockers are a small minority ... So if you have no intentions of overclocking disregard all this ...

Personally, if I play to overclock and such. Screw the warranty. It's the cost of being a hobbyist. I've never lost a CPU due to playing around but I have lost two GPU's working with the heatsinks and PCB's. IB is begging someone to come up with a better air solution. Even if Macgyvered, which is better than Jerry-rigged.

 

[4Ryan6]

Yup and nope ... in light of your next post. edited to highlight my point.

Personally, if I play to overclock and such. Screw the warranty. It's the cost of being a hobbyist. I've never lost a CPU due to playing around but I have lost two GPU's working with the heatsinks and PCB's. IB is begging someone to come up with a better air solution. Even if Macgyvered, which is better than Jerry-rigged.

And your point is?

 

[-Fran-]

And your point is?

"Some people don't care about the warranty because they're hardcore enthusiasts; or at least they shouldn't".

Well, he does touch a good point; sometimes people come out with good DIY alternatives to factory ones. You only need people willing to take the risk of voiding the warranty and experiment. And in that same argument, regular folks can be benefited from that if an enthusiast applies that knowledge into building their rig, or something like that.

Cheers!

 

[4Ryan6]

"Some people don't care about the warranty because they're hardcore enthusiasts; or at least they shouldn't".

Well, he does touch a good point; sometimes people come out with good DIY alternatives to factory ones. You only need people willing to take the risk of voiding the warranty and experiment. And in that same argument, regular folks can be benefited from that if an enthusiast applies that knowledge into building their rig, or something like that.

Cheers!

That type overclocking and warranty sacrificing is really beyond what is promoted here at THGF.

That would be a very, very, very, very, small percentage of overclockers as a whole, that would even attempt something like that.

 

[-Fran-]

Yep, not very common indeed, but the point is good: DIY solutions that challenge the factory ones. I've always been amazed at some solutions folks come out with, hehe.

Oh, and not only for overclockers; if you manage to find a way to dissipate the heat faster with a DIY solution, you can actually benefit a lot regular folks with it. You could even get passive cooled solutions and keep a respectable speed 😛

Cheers!