Official(ish) 975 chipset will not support Conroe.

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Just as well I found this link as I was just about to order the parts for my new pc in the hope of upgrading the cpu when Conroe comes out later this year. Now I won't bother. I dont want to be stuck with a future proof pc which is only future proof for a couple of months rather than at least a year.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=789

Read it and weep if your'e in the same boat as me.
 
All the more reason to use AMD is right however, they both need to stop making so many changes in such a short amount of time.

I just bought a new Gigabyte board (still in the box) with the Intel 975 chipset in hopes of dropping a conroe chip in it. Well, looks like I'll be sending it back. No point in keeping it if I can't drop the latest and greatest chip in it right?

The way I look at it is this way, I understand that these companies ( I did say companies) need to progress in technology but they are clearly not thinking about the end user anymore. Its the end user that ultimately suffers from having the pain staking task of going out and buying new equipment every 6 months to support the newest products. While this is going on, they are fattening their wallets because think about this:

Let's imagine AMD and Intel just stopped progressing and they both have an exactly equal chip. They would battle it out with price wars. Cheaper prices has influence. But yet, with all the new sockets coming out every 6 months and new chips to support that new socket, the prices are sky high and they generally fall. Why do you think Intel in particular makes so much money? How many different chipsets have they had out now in the last year or so? Too many in my opinion.

The madness needs to stop. Computers nowadays are so fast as it is and I think these chip manufacturers need to take a breather and let the end user soak in the ambience for a while and enjoy what they got. I for one am usually an avid Intel enthusiast but these dumb decisions by Intel are driving me to put more AMD machines on my bench.

Love, peace and harmony to all

~Luminaris~
 
well said.
But, realistically, it ain't gonna happen. The economist in me knows that no company will sit on its heels and drop prices on current models when it could keep going and convince Joe Consumer to buy the latest and greatest.

Seeing as AMD has the effectively Northbridgeless HyperTransport, theoretically Any processor can be made to fit into Any board, right? (besides the occasional upping of HT speed). So why aren't more manufacturers coming out with "upgrade slots" like Asrock? I wouldn't mind running an nForce3 with "older" (PCI/AGP) features if it meant i could still plug in an AM2 processor into the same board (albeit at maybe a slower HT speed).

Like i may have said in another thread, i was planning to get a new 955X/8x0D system sometime last year. But intel seems to almost purposefully not make new processors support old chipsets, forcing you to buy a new mobo (and hence, intel chipset, more $ for them) if you want to upgrade. AMD don't make money every time you buy a new mobo, so it doesn't matter to them if new processors can be used on really old chipsets...
 
Heh, its funny you mentioned that cause, I just ordered an AMD Opty 170 Denmark core. I'm gonna drop that in my DFI SLI-Expert board when I get it. I had an X2-3800 for a bit but didn't get to play with it much as it was customers machine I sold.
 
And yes, I most definately am going to get an AM2 board and chip also to answer your question. Since Intel can't seem to keep things on the right track with their chipsets, I'll just stick with AMD for now.
 
I understand that these companies ( I did say companies) need to progress in technology but they are clearly not thinking about the end user anymore.
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Absolutely!

They (the companies...), do think about the end user, profit wise. Small processor/chipset improvements, with the right marketing strategy (read "hype"), makes each new platform into a magnificent, proudly showed off, achievement. And, with it, many millions in revenue. Perhaps third-party MB manufacturers are less to blame: they often offer more than expected...

Anyway, we - end users - have the obligation to be [well] informed, up-to-date & demand the disclosure (should be compulsory!) of any new paltform (CPU/Chipset/MB), down to its significant detail (specs; compatibility; upgradeability; ...), in order to have a true, educated & reliable FREEDOM of CHOICE, when preparing for a purchase.
There should be a Mandatory Disclosure Report (MDR - just invented it!) to the Press, Resellers & all context-related media.

As for us, end-users, we're the ones to blame, out of ignorance (as if it were a crime being ignorant!); because we're not ALL engineers, we're not ALL into forums like this and - so it seems - we're ALL «sorry to ask!».

Wake up, World! Ask for an MDR! NOW! 😀


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I read a review of the new AM2 socket where somebody got an engineering sample of the chip and an AM2 reference board. The AM2 chips was a 4800+ and they compared it to a 939 4800+ and the 939 one beat it in pretty much all but the synthetic memory bandwidth scores. Granted, this engineering sample only had a DDR2-667 memory controller and the final ones will have a DDR2-800 one, but still, the latency of DDR2 makes it slower than the old DDR400.

So I am going to buy a Socket 939 X2 and be happy in the fact that until the DDR2 speeds get above about 1GHz and the latencies to 3 or below (most are 5- yuck!), mine will still be faster. Oh, and the 939 stuff is going for cheap as people don't want an "old socket."
 
While that's true and you won't see any benefit of using DDR2-667, DDR2-800 should bring a greater performance increase. While this RAM generally does have higher latency, its still more efficient because of the performance gains. As long as you have good RAM, you can adjust the timings anyway to help alleviate or offset any latency.
 
linux_0 said:
All the more reason to go AMD ;-)
Not everyone has the 975. I know the 965 will arrive just on time. Besides,you AMD fanboys will have to change mobos and CPUs for the same ol' same ol' with DDR2.
We will experience a significant performance and a very welcomed clock value boost and best energy/performance!
And prices seem fair!
If Intel reaches AMD performance(and it will probably do) most will go for Intel esspecially those in the bussiness market.
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I use AMDs because they have a superior architecture, great price performance, consume less energy and generate less heat.

If I wanted to buy marketing I would go Intel.

And as I have said before both companies lie cheat and steal. What else is new?

AMD still has a 25-70% lead in the 64bit arena and since I run 64bit Operating Systems my systems would slow down significantly if I were to switch to Intel.

So if you like wasting energy, want less performance and like heat hey go with Intel and let OPEC rape you.
 
Although I don't really use a 64 bit OS, I will attest that Linux is right about one thing, and that is, AMDs are more efficient. The first thing I noticed when I put together my Opteron system is, it runs almost 10 degrees cooler at idle/load speeds than my 630 Intel. On top of the Opty sits a stock cooler while on my Intel i've got a Zalman cooler.

Even at stock speeds and cooler, the Intel idles around 35-37C. OC'd and with the zalman cooler, it idles around 33-34.
 
DAT's IT!!! I'm gonna buy a stock amd heatsink. And before I put it on my P4 northwood, I'm going to write OPTY on it.

Muahahahaha...

Then I'm goin to run Sandra Benchmarks and see if I get worse scores!!

Oh.. should I use home made mayo as a thermal paste?
 
They're coming .... Probably tonight I'll post all sorts of screenies.

The only test I've run so far is 3DMark06 on both machines. The Intel scored much higher than the opty did but, that's only because I'm running the opty stock right now and haven't tweaked the settings at all.
 
LOL i'm talking about what's coming/
Conroe will not have heat issues,will consume less,will perform at least at the same level.
AM2 will be 939 on steroids with a buff in clocks.
Unlike AMD,Intel will not repeat the same mistackes twice. They have a reputation to keep.
 
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