Official(ish) 975 chipset will not support Conroe.

[slvr_phoenix]

I think one thing that we're missing here is that us enthusiasts are such a teeny tiny part of the market.

The normal computer owner buys a box from Dell, Gateway, whoever. They hardly even know what's in it. They believe that when it says Extreme graphics, they really will be extreme. Then in a year, or two, depending on how much spyware, viruses, and crap is slowing down their system, they get a whole new box.

I mean, hell, actually know someone who went out and bought a whole new PC simply because they got a virus. (That was easily removed BTW.) :lol:

This is who the companies are targetting.

And as the rare enthusiast, we should be smart enough to do our own research. :lol: And we should know better.

I mean, come on, how many times has a new proc meant a new mobo?

Even AMD's super-long-lived SocketA was most definately not a forward-looking future-proof purchase. You had to worry about voltage requirements, FSB support, etc. You had to actually get BIOS updates from the mobo manu. And even then you had RAM and AGP limitations to deal with.

It's just a pretty safe bet that unless you're the kind of person buying a new proc every two months, the majority of new proc purchases are going to require a new mobo, even if the socket itself still is the same. So we should be fairly expecting that, especially when significant architecture changes such as Conroe are involved.

Is it nice to not have such great future-proofing? No. But it's certainly noting new, and it's definately a heck of a lot cheaper than buying a whole new box from Dell every time we're hit by a virus. :lol:

 

[dvdpiddy]

ok dude what were the temps with the stock themal paste?

 

[CompGeek]

64 bit programs will surely work on it
http://www.andwest.com/weblog/tatle/comments/2005/08/23/Intel-Reveals-Next-Gen-64-bit-Processors-to-Power-Macintosh.html?page=trackback
I don't really care about Linux nor 64 bit. If Intel gives better or equal performance in 32 bit benchies Intel will be the way to go.
Woodcrest WILL have 64 bit fully enabled.
As for now,Intel's new technology is already showing results. Core Duo is by far the best laptop CPU out there.

 

[darth_farter]

As for now,Intel's new technology is already showing results. Core Duo is by far the best laptop CPU out there.

unless you have any USB devices...

:roll:


anyway, you probably never jumped on intel rambus / i850 / willamette / slot platforms did ya?

if you did you would probably not be singing like that unless you're getting a monthly paycheck from intel HQ to troll the forums with that manner...

geez...

 

[luminaris]

I have no idea man. I always take the stock paste off and install using AS5. I know this morning it was sitting there idling at a chilly 25C which to me, is amazing.

 

[slvr_phoenix]

As for now,Intel's new technology is already showing results. Core Duo is by far the best laptop CPU out there.

unless you have any USB devices...

:roll:Actually, from the reviews I've read, even with the USB2.0 bug in M$'s software causing the loss of battery life, the power results are still better than anything else out there. They're just not as good as what they could be. But even still, there also are already workarounds that mostly fix the power problem, which if used by far makes it the best in terms of power.

And that's all a software issue. The CPU itself is still the best.

And the power usage issue doesn't in any way hinder its awesome performance.

 

[linux_0]

I agree 😀

RAMBUS was one of the biggest mistakes Intel ever made and to be honest the people that remember about RAMBUS are still mad about it and for good reason.

I have said this before and I will say it again:

The P3 was actually a decent CPU ( I own a bunch of them ). The P4 was and still is terrible in many respects ( I built some for clients who insisted on Intel but otherwise wouldn't touch one with a 10ft pole ).

 

[luminaris]

Would you touch one with a 9.5ft pole?

 

[linux_0]

Negative.

 

[slvr_phoenix]

RAMBUS was one of the biggest mistakes Intel ever made

:lol: You're comparing the option to use RDRAM to the P3 1.13GHz debacle and the memory translator hub mess? Sorry, but WTF?

I'll grant that Intel pushed RDRAM too early. Though the 800MHz stuff performed great on the P3, there really wasn't a need for it. And I'll readily hand you on a silver platter how $#!77^ it was of Intel to not support DDR (and DC-DDR) sooner.

Still, I'd hardly call that a mistake. More just a nuisance and a point of frustration. :lol: And I definately wouldn't rate it as "one of the biggest". I mean anyone who was willing to spend the money got some great performance. Offering an option is hardly something to bitch about.

And had Rambus the company not been such $#!7s, to this day we'd probably be seeing RDRAM (or Rambus-designed RAM anyway) still used in PCs. They had some very interesting technologies, and their prices would have improved had more manufacturers gotten on board, but their corporate ethics really drove the nail into the coffin.

and to be honest the people that remember about RAMBUS are still mad about it and for good reason.

I'm totally not following you there. What good reason? Because they didn't research a major purchase before buying? Because they had great performance so long as they avoided the cheapest RDRAM available? :?: :?: :?: Sure, it cost a fair bit, and had a rather limited upgrade option, but then when isn't that true of Intel?

The P3 was actually a decent CPU

The first thing I agree with you on in this post. 😱 I'm glad to see Intel going back to a P3-related architecture. I want lower heat and power.

The P4 was and still is terrible in many respects

I can only partly agree with you on this. Willy sucked. There's just no getting around that. And the first Scotties really sucked too. Recent Scotties are okay-ish, now that their heat output and power usage are down. Still not great though. And the duals suck, of course. But there was that magical time (AKA Northy) where the P4 was quite the awesome chip.

Were I buying a system today, it'd be AMD all the way. (Well, unless it was a laptop.) But the P4 certainly had its moments, and still isn't necessarily a bad choice today, in the right situations. It's just not the best choice. :lol:

 

[linux_0]

Hehe 😀

I too agree with you for the most part 😀

Some of us suffered more due to RDRAM than others.

 

[CompGeek]

Too bad you don't actually read before post. I'm not into laptops really( i have a crappy Celeron M 1.6GHZ) but power consumption was still awsome and things can only improve with the coming of the new chips and BTW do you know what Apple is using now?
As for P4 i really do not get it.
Everything earlier than Prescott blew AMD away. AMD was either too hot or not competitive enough.
Probably it was a wrong way from the start BUT they learned during all this time. P3, why was it so special? It just continued the succes of P2.
P4 had high expectations and it didn't meet them but it still brought them millions and experience and a 70% of the time lead.
Before passing the 3 ghz barrier all seem fine and Intel kicked AMD but.
So AMD has finally arrived with something competitive. Good for them. It was about time after all these years. But all good things come to an end and this particular ending is not far away.
Every technology has a life. Important is getting the most out of a technology. Intel couldn't have done a better job with Net burst.
With such "poor" arhitecture they were still beating AMD's "efficient" arhitecture in most benchies in the past.
Intel has the ability to exploit a technology to its limits in a very short time. That's why AMD(that has chosen the better road let's say,but that isn't bright enough to fully take advantage of it) without their main advantage will not stand much of a chance.
Here are my predictions based not on what i favour but on what i have read :

Q3 2006 Conroe matches Am2 performance and clock per clock speed
Q3-4 2006 Merom totally anihilates the Turion dual core on simply all frontiers!
Q1 2007 The heavy weights of the 2 chip manefacteurs duel in an great epic. The Conroe EE against FX 64. Performance wise the conroe has a minor lead but it is a lot more energy efficient
Q1-2 2007 Woodcrest finally arives after all this time. It's closely matched with Opteron. Hard decision indeed.
Q1 45 mn by Intel 65 AMD
Q2 Intel is slowly gaining lead
...
The war after Conroe release would be like one between too guners using the same weapon but one with more bullets.
Yonah on desktop will be quite simillar to what AMD is making but Intel as always will be faster on its work.