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Ya know, Id just ABBBZZORRBBZZ HATE to shoot down all this higher "knowledge" about nVidia shooting itself in their respective foot, but, lessee, theres this company called Intel, and currently they have a cpu out that DOMINATES the cpu/DT/Server market. Umm lessee, isnt Penryn coming? WHY? And speaking of Intel, isnt there something coming called Larrabee? Lets get real here. Firstly, this is all speculation, and secondly, if true, I wouldnt doubt it. Ive listed a few examples here as to why a company goes forward with no real apparent competition. Hell, C2D has already had refreshes of its own, so commonnn, lets let in a little common sense here
 
I think they're taking a page from the Xbox360 "R500" GPU's book; the eDRAM die is supposedly capable of providing antialiasing and anisotropic filtering with no performance hit, because the hardware doesn't do anything else when antialiasing and anisotropic filtering is disabled.
 
Well, NVIDIA (or ATI) are absolutely overdue for some new flagship models. It's getting ever more unlikely that I'll pony up $500+ for some year old technology.

They're really hurting themselves by holding off so long. The new games that make old hardware obsolete are going to flop b/c just a few people are able to buy this stuff.

The wait has been long enough, the 9 series is due.
 
I agree with you gochichi...

We really have no idea what's coming out though. Nvidia have not confirmed any of the reports on it being a low/mid/high...As always they have no comment on all the articles regarding the g92 an g98. Hopefully it'll be a high end and a new midrange...

I was planning to get a new rig and decided to wait for a x38 board, a high end g92 (which was the plan).....No way I'm dumping 550 or so on a damn 8800 GTX when it's a year old. If it comes down to me getting this new rig I'm just gonna get a x1950pro/xt till the new high ends come out. It's ludicrous to wait longer....It's been a year at the top and they really do owe a new high end...
 
YES, those are very old rumors about the G92.

AND YES: details about it beeing a midrange card are also RUMORS.

Nvidia hasn't said anything about either a high end or midrange replacement. (remember rumors about R600? gtx killer... Rumors about 8800Ultra? 160 shaders/1024MB...)

But high-end Nvidia cards score well and midrange receives a lot of complaints about performance beeing slow so I guess the G92 will be midrange.

Ati seems to be releasing the hd2900pro soon (also rumor!) and if that's true, Nvidia needs a much better midrange with 256bit memory at least..........
 
'Owe a new high end'?

Why?

This isn't the first time this has happened, the same thing happened with the GF6800. Same type of thing happened with ATi's X1900 series.

Basically a new generation every 18months, which would make the G80 replacement a spring/summer 2008 thing which seems like the target. Every one in a while things go longer or shorter (like GF6800-7800-8800) but overall it's pretty consitent with 18-24+ months between major releases.

I'm sure nV would love to sell a smaller/cheaper version of an upgraded G80, but they have to make sure it's sccesful enough to cover the cost of development. The G92 as a midrange makes alot of sense to replace the GTS-320 and GTS-640 sales with a cheaper part to produce, and then coast into next year and prepare another big launch like the GF8800.

And ho is this hurting them? The market is pretty set, and they are still selling a lotof cards, and once Crysis is released both AMD and nV will sell more cards, so how does this hurt them? As long as each chip is being sold at a profit, then they're doing fine, and could easily keep going until this time next year if no new entries came into the market.

The only thing that hurts the companies is when they don't have a product in the market and are losing money to make sales, and now both companies are profitable (ATi not AMD), with nV making a ton of bank. So exactly how does this hurt nV?

It hurts the consumer, but that was what many of us had been saying all along that the purchase of ATi would slow their drive and that overall releases would start slowing down back to their 18-24 month pace both companies talked about as their ideal over 3 years ago.

The new games only make hardware look obsolete when you have something new to compare them to. Until the GF8800 came out everyone thought that the X1950XT was awesome at Oblivion, and then suddenly we saw what unified shaders could do and then the X1950XTX looked old.

Same here, nothing will make the current cards look old until there's something new to compare it to.
 
Well there is one thing incorrect about your info. It's not 18 months. The g70 was released on november 14, 2005. The g80 was released on November 8th 2006. Yes the g60 was around 16-18 months before the release of the g70....But, Nvidia stated this year they wanted to stick with a yearly release cycle. Also...The only REAL fact was that nvidia back in May did have one press tidbit that was talked from the nvidia side.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39829

Now notice this is the only article where Nvidia actually spoke about the product...Compared to all the "no comments" we've seen from other press articles. Yes it was back in May and they didn't have any competition at first from the r600. But with its new drivers it really has matured well.....Considering they want to stick with their yearly release schedule I whole heartedly believe there will be a new midrange since the current ones aren't up to par...and a new highend. G92 and G98 are around the corner...In my eyes a high end is coming. Just because you have the lead now doesn't mean you should take a break..this is business...if you have the upper hand drive the nail farther....Look at intel...cutting every release AMD has with it's own products...It's business.

IMO expect a mid range release and a high end card. All the info out right now is fud...Nvidia has not said a word about anything since that article. So far this is the only REAL information from nvidia...Everything else is speculation and in my eyes fud. We have to wait and see....But count me in for a high end and mid range...but who knows what they'll do....it's up to them...But if they do end up coming with a high end and mid range..I'll be the first here to say "told you so"...
 
I'd rather believe old news from the source compared to "No comment" any day...and considering they stated a yearly release...I expect a high end coming soon...we'll see..
 
Kamrooz,

this has been batted around for months. No one knows. No where in the article from the inquirer did they quote someone from Nvidia saying anything. All they said was they heard something. Also, this stuff came out in May, we have not heard anything since. They could be having problems, they could be well ahead of schedule. It is very likely that this news could be very incorrect by now. Things tend to change over time, and I imagine a lot has changed for Nvidia since may.
 
Amd isn't holding back Ati. the R600 was allready in development and the fact that it wasn't the greatest thing on earth when released has nothing to do with Amd.

i think Ati knew they were having a rough time in 2007 against Nvidia and that's why they sold....

i still believe Ati makes great products and together with Amd they will come up with great stuff.
in the mean while it's Intel and Nvidia who run the show. 2008 will probably also not be the year for Amd and Ati but they will be back (i hope).

my x1900xt 512mb is needing a replacement soon but in this quarter it's a very tuff decision to make: hd2900xt, 8800gts 640 or perhaps a used gtx? what if the 2900pro is really the same core as the 2900xt with just a few mhz less? what if the 2950xt(x) pops up? what if Nvidia does come out with an even better card than the gts for the same price?

i wait for crisis and if the gap between dx10 and dx9 is really big in that game i will make my decision....

for now i have to play call of juarez with 60+ frames and framedrops to 10fps...... sucks! (not really impressed by the results of the high-end cards in that game either)
 
meljor,

It's really funny that people blame AMD for the failures of R600. As if AMD stepped in right at the end and tweaked it, seeing that they made the performance worse, and decided to sell it that way. Ignorance seems to be running rampant.
 
weskurtz...maybe you should read it carefully

In an analyst webcast, Nvidian Michael Hara says that the chip will be ready for Christmas, a release cycle the company adopted with G80, where high-end products come out for Chrimbo and the mid-range and low-end products hit in the spring.
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Nvidian would refer to someone who works at nvidia. And he stated that the chip will be ready for christmas with the company cycle they have adopted from the g80..Which is also the same cycle as the g70.

Regarding a game that can't run well on DX10..There are a few...although they are patch jobs and can't be considered true DX10 titles. But in a interview at E3..show here..

http://au.gamespot.com/pc/action/crysis/news.html?sid=6175656

now let's quote the most important part..

At E3, we were running on a [GeForce] 8800 video card and a dual-core Intel [CPU]with 4 gigabytes of RAM at very high settings. Not the highest, though! Most of the time, it was running smoothly.
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Stated by the Crytek president. Not the highest settings...."Most of the time, it was running smoothly."..

Now don't get me wrong...the 8800 GTX is a great card...But personally I do see a high end coming out. If it was indeed going to be a midrange nvidia would have no reason to not say "yes...it's a mid range"..considering the gpu's have been taped out. The fact that we've heard no comment from them since suggests that they have something up their sleeve. Everyone atm is claiming a midrange card...If they were making a mid range and everyone expects a mid range...they would flat out admit it. The fact is... no body knows anything...everything is fud. But this is the one true piece of information from nvidia themselves. Basing off that and the fact they are heading for a yearly release...I pretty much expect a high end coming up. Afterall they do have two chips in the works...The G92 and the G98...we might just end up getting a high end and a low range..or mid range. Key point is though that this is the only ACTUAL info from nvidia...till I hear them say "We have a low range and a mid range"..I won't believe anything other then a high end this year....and considering the fact that no one has any information from nvidia stating otherwise...I'll just stay with my opinion.


-Weskurt

I agree with you. Merging two large companies takes a toll on every aspect of their business. Even if ATI was working on the r600 before hand it would still effect the research and development of the product....They are not easy transitions...I was expecting it from the start. But with time everything will settle out.
 
why do people quote forums and the inquirer as their sources? are you retarded? if someone keeps crying wolf, when will you moronic lemmings stop running around screaming and posting nonsense?

i have enjoyed the intelligent discussion in this thread however, the talk of the 8700 was enlightening as was the thoughts on product cycles...while i agree to allow everyone their opinion i agree to allow me mine and the right to call the OP and kamrooz r-tards for this 'reliable source i know' or 'bu-bu-bu-but the inquirer says!' nonsense

to whit:

http://theinquirer.net/?article=42353

and after this article we all know they can be taken seriously about bleeding-edge tech information...
 
Kamrooz,

Point is, I can write stuff in an article and say that someone said it but, he did not quote anything, he just said someone said something. Why not quote exactly what the guy said? I am not sure if there is any legality involved, but many times in the past the Inquirer has released false information. If this was a webcast for analysts, why is the inquirer the ONLY source that this information can be found? If analysts know this information, why doesn't Nvidia release it since it's already public?

That's all really.... I just don't trust the Inq. If the information was popping up everywhere else, and not just from other sites linking to that story as the basis.... then maybe I would give it some weight. I might as well make my own predictions and publish them, I would probably be more accurate than the Inq.
 
Kamrooz: If I recall, they were also showing Crysis at E3 on a 30-inch monitor at 2560x1600. That resolution will strangle some pretty good PCs on games that are currently out, to say nothing of a next-generation title...
 


Guess you missed that part where I said longer or shorter, their original statement which was made at the same time as ATi was that they were going to target 18months for a completely new design, with refreshes every 6months or so. But it has been longer and shorter between various performance segments for both.

And the G70 was not released on Nov 14th, you may want to double check your facts, your time frame would put it releasing AFTER the X1800. Me think you confuse the launch of the GTX-512 with the launch of the G70 which started with the GTS-256.

But, Nvidia stated this year they wanted to stick with a yearly release cycle. Also...The only REAL fact was that nvidia back in May did have one press tidbit that was talked from the nvidia side.
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How much of a 'real fact' is that without an official press release? So far it's the InQ's report of a webcast, not transcript available.

I'm sure ATi 'wanted' to stick on a quicker cycle than they were for the HD2900, but they didn't. I'm sure nV wanted to release another high end before Xmas, but I'm doubtful that they will.
Then that same article reporting "3 times as powerfull as the G80" ignoring the 520 launch spec for the G80. So how much of that article is factual and how much is a generalization of statements made? And if the G92 was actually mentioned by name and it is now the GF8700, and unlikely to process a teraflop, then how accurate is that original source?

I'll be the first here to say "told you so"...
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Ok, and if they don't have a what will you do instead? victory has a million parents and defeat is an orphan. If it's only a refresh like the GF7900 or X1900, then I suspect you'll call it a completely new marchitecture as well. Heck if it were the Ultra that'd probably satisfy your 'I told you so' needs. :sarcastic:
 


Here's the thing I'm not blaming AMD for the R600's failurs (I think I've said many time this architecture was design and started in 2005 or early 2006, long before AMD got involved) what I do blame AMD for is that they will treat this as not their primary reason for business so won't push as hard as ATi would on it's own. ATi and nV will often do things that would hurt current balance sheets in order to accelerate programs ahead of time, whereas I don't ever see AMD doing that because unless their CPU segment improves they'd rather take money from ATi than pump it into CPUs or debt-financing.

And that's what I blame AMD for, not pushing harder. We discussed that that was likely going to be the case after they were bought, and that the high end would suffer and they'd focus on the middle and low end, which happened (sooner than I expected). So the result I was refering to is that this means there's less push for nV to keep a fast pace, because no one is making an effort to catch them, and the end result is a slowed down cycle for everyone, especially us. Hopefully that slowed downcycles gives S3 and SIS a chance to catch up, but I doubt it.
 
Ape,

I can see that argument being plausible. But, who really knows if they aren't already pushing as hard as ATI would have push prior to the purchase. One thing I can say, AMD or not, the driver updates have come out and so far they have had an OUTSTANDING increase over the original ones. AMD may or may not be having some influence in the driver development.

Anyway, I will hold my opinion for now as to whether or not AMD is hindering the "push" for ATI. I think the architecture has many issues to be worked out and, the die shrink is probably the biggest issue they have.
 
i really dont know what to think.. i just hope that crysis will shed some light on all this until official announcements. But i got some feelings that the currents cards might only be considered as transitions cards.
 
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