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Oh, I don't know for sure of course (and it's nothing we can imperically verify since there aren't two destiny paths), I just don't get the same feeling I did about getting a refresh for the HD2900 the way they did for the X1800 & X1600. Similar situation, but I don't get the same vibe from the AMD group you got from the ATi group that they're basically eating the early release and looking to simply skip to the next product. Extending the 80nm HD2900 with the R600Pro makes little/no sense, but that's their big news in the 6 months after the HD2900 release?

I'd agree somewhat with the driver situation, especially on the Linux front, AMD's influence seems most noticeable there IMO. But they've done ok on the desktop, although it would've been nice if some of the tweaks could've been done prior to launch. Like the HD2600 drivers would've been better at launch had they supported more of the specialized HD2600 features related to UVD, HDMI, etc.

The thing that still bothers me is AMD/ATi still sucks at supporting their laptop drivers, not that nV is any better. :pfff:

Anywhoo, I'll be quite happy to be proven wrong, and to see some good solid refresh from ATi/AMD and new GPU from nV by Xmas, but as it stands right now it doesn't seem that much more than the GF8700 and HD2900Pro will maek it out before 2008.
 


You can say that again, I cant believe that I bought an 8800GTX that is out over 1 year, and I still had to install BETA drivers, just to make it work OK. Still lots of annoying bugs. This is unreal!!!
 
As everyone has said, including myself, the 8800's for DX10 are WAY too weak for the monitors people are getting today. If you are waiting for the first GREAT card for DX10, I think it is going to be the one released AFTER the 9800, the 9800 should be considered the first real DX10 card, and an 8800 the last DX9 card.
 



Glad to still see you around setting people strait.

You have your hands full.

By the way, what's a pixel? :kaola:
 
i can almost guarantee that this is not true

why would nvidia not release any information themselves to get everybody excited about a new card?
they would release information so they already have buyers for the new card when it comes out.
they would want to get the stock holders excited about the new series so they can boost the stock prices.
but yet there is no information of a 9x series card on nvidia website
now isn't that strange

i repeat they are not going to release a new series of geforce cards by december
 
Well here's a little tidbit.

The inquirers post date on the matter was the 24th of may...you can check yourself..

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39829

But hey!..what's this? Here's one article dated before inquirers...from beyond3d. Interesting..I wonder where they got the source?

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/230

As you can see it's a day before the inquirer got their article up. Now I was looking around and there have been no word on nvidia doing their own press gathering. I've searched high and low. But...It seems I was searching for the wrong thing. I was able to pull this up..

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=116466&p=irol-EventDetails&EventId=1551419

Unfortunately trying to listen to the webcast that was broadcasted in the past links to the jpmorgan site and you need to have an account with them. I also checked up to see if this was broadcasted on the nvidia website in webcast form...Bingo..

http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_42058.html

It was webcasted. Judging by the dates this is where the information came from..Now where is this interesting transcript?..I'm not allowed to release it...Heck..I don't even have it. It's against the terms of the site to release any information provided within the transcript without their approval. BUT..Here's a link to where it can be purchased.

http://www.alacrastore.com/storecontent/ccbn/T1551419

Now....I can tell you this. I haven't purchased it nor will I....If you want to buy it go for it. BUT..What I will tell you is this..That "Search this document" feature..It's pretty handy =P...They don't state "G90/G92 blah blah blah coming out end of year..."..But try this..Since it's not considered revealing information from the transcript since it comes from their own site..Try pasting this into their search function in that page (the tab in the middle..not the upper right).

or playing I good perspective we rhythm where high-end the year out right after plans come spring refreshing again another probably produce parts webster as fall new will next corporation look generation improvements to want forward are by more your do pricing you their it they try down of that problem us republished be my colors card years end I new in annual # mike hara roadmap sure so then and codename why on kind an certain use from have much like into always if any once means gpu me with take host some can't for at our even one go strategy simply expect because & capabilities should think but typically first see there up stable reasons truly reduce product
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Paste that into it..And voila..you have a small amount of a censored transcript. If you want to purchase the script go for it..But I'm not going to be buying it just to find out or not..I believe we will have a high end. For those who have doubted any of my words..It's my opinion..For those who spoke with their own opinions in a polite matter...I thank you for at least having a proper discussion. For those who refer to smart ass comments..there was one or two people...Please..post something constructive atleast or don't post at all...

regarding the transcript..For some reason it's not liking firefox for me..But I used firefox for the most part for searching the transcript..For some reason it has stopped working for me. If it doesn't work for you try IE...I just tested IE 7 and it works in IE 7 but stopped in firefox although it worked in both for me. Focus on page 2...Of course inquirer will and have distorted information. But read the chunks of this transcript if you wish. If you want all the info go ahead and buy it. I'm not going to quote anything out of the transcript since I don't have the rights to it. But do read page 2 any extra information in there...Once I again I won't quote anything inside it...But notice what it says and read carefully..

they state they have...A clear rhythm, always refresh high-end, years end, main stream after typically first part of following year, no plans to deviate, this fall and next spring refreshing their roadmap, derivative of geforce architecture....

"Edit > find" in there the word "Teraflops" and you'll notice they state they are reaching teraflops of performance. This is where inquirer got their article for sure..But this is the pure form from nvidia. not quoting anything..But read it yourselves..hopefully it works for you guys..Otherwise I spent this time for nothing. This was what was webcasted...Now this was spoken from nvidia themselves. They obviously have not said anything since. But this was the one OFFICIAL word form nvidia...I will believe it till no end till we see what we get. Hopefully this can shed a little light...Although I suggest no one quote anything..If you want to read it check the site yourselves...If you want to purchase it once again go for it..and read the entire thing..But since I believe we will have a high end at years end..I have no need to purchase it.

amazing what a little research can bring up...I love discussing my opinions with others. I love hearing other peoples opinions as well..But one thing I dislike is when people are opinionated..Hopefully this can shed a little light on the issue where we can have a real discussion.
 


So you just spent all that space basically supporting the idea that there was a webcast (which wasn't in question) but that the InQ extrapolated from what was said, which is pretty much what everyone here has been trying to tell you. And thatit may be the G92 (which may or may not be high-end), but it's still not believed to be anything more than a referesh of the current design, which like I said is no different than the GF7800-7900/X1800-X1900. New SKU is not under question, just like the Ultra launching a new SKU is probably even just to satisfy the 'new product every 6 month' on paper.

Then you mention the Beyond3D article, and yet they follow what most people here have been trying to tell you, this would be a very fast refresh, not the norm, the words bu ARUN were "Assuming that NVIDIA manages to hit these aggressive release schedules," showing that it's faster than the norm. So what does it do to support your statement that there should already have been something? :?:

Now considering those were May statements, they don't hold much wieght, no more so than last year's spring statements that AMD and nV would be ready for a summer launch.... until they both delayed. Official statements about expectations don't make them released products, they just give people a time-frame for when they hope to have them out.

Anywhooo, I think we know your position (nV is going to launch something completely new for 2007) as well as mine and others here (both AMD and nV will only launch refreshes of their previous line that may be as minor as the R9700-9800/FX5600Rev1-Rev2 or as major as the GF7800-7900 / X1800-X1900).

We'll know soon enough.

However whether it comes out before Xmas or after, I still don't see how you're OWED anything, you seem to avoid that part fo your statement.

One thing is for sure,the OP's specs aren't even in the realm of wishful thinking, and your idea that you're owed something or that nVidia guaranteed a launch of the G9x high end this year are equally empty.
 
Running back to check the release date of the 7800 GTX I did indeed have the wrong date on that release. I was looking at the 7800 GTX 512 version which dated November 14th, 2005. While the original 7800 GTX 256 was released on June 22nd, 2005. So I apologize for that confusion.

One thing Nvidia did state was that they have a rhythm and do not want to deviate from it. If they follow the same rhythm from before that would mean a 8900 GTX would be out around the corner. But...They have a new codename which is under the G9x....That's why I don't expect a "8700" series as many have been claiming.

Since it's under the codename G9x it will be holding a Geforce 9xxx title name. Following their "rhythm" it would be the only viable solution. Why would they release a 8xxx title under a g9x codename?...they've never done that in previous generations and won't be doing it here. I do believe the mid range is lacking. The only card around the same price range that can beat a x1950 pro from Nvidia are super clocked versions of an 8600 GTS. Which, are priced anywhere from 10-70 dollars more than a x1950 pro. So far all the specs we've seen around on the internet are fud...no one denies that..We all know Nvidia is bringing something to the table but we don't know what.

But considering the fact that the codename is G9x it will be carrying a G9xxx title. G92 and the G98 are due to be brewing around the corner. I believe the G92/98 will be a new mid range to in place of outperforming the 8600 series. With also a new high end in the forum of the other (g92/g98). Now I don't want to be saying "It's a 9800 GTX" like everyone else...Aside from Nvidia fanboys screaming it out I'm actually looking at the facts. Nvidia has been ahead of the game. They delivered a huge performance boost from the G70 to G80 series. The Inquirer did blow out a huge chunk of BS though I will admit...But I'm not considering inquirers fud information about what they are releasing. I'm breaking down the fact that there are taped out processors. The Teraflop statement was based off nvidia's tesla discussion. Where they explained the benefits of GPGPU computing. They did state they are approaching Teraflops of performance. Considering that fact, I don't really see why they wouldn't release their new high end. Screw Inquirer and their BS new high end talk...all of a sudden they say a new midrange. They pulled out that "a new high end was coming with a teraflop of performance" before Nvidia even taped out. I'll never believe a word from the inquirer...But...the fact that they taped out g92/g98 means something.

Yes the 7800 GTX 256 was released in june...With the 512 mb version of the same 7800 GTX in November 2005. In November 2006 they released the 8800 GTX. Now here we are back in the November time frame coming up. With Nvidia brewing something up....The 7900 GTX was all released during 2006 on march 9th. The fact that we have two new G9x codename gpu's coming out means two things that tie in..They are ahead of schedule. Considering the success of the g80 and the fact they stated they are nearing Teraflops of performance. I don't see how it can't be a new high end.

The 8400 series has the HTPC market covered. The 8600 GTS can't match up to a x1950 pro...But the super clocked versions can. The 8800 GTS is a damn fine card but prices start around 280 and up. I expect the new mid range card from Nvidia, which will be either the g92 or g98, (which is which? We don't know) taking over the 200 dollar price range. The 8600 GTS super clocks are decent cards but they cost too much. With a new mid range card the 8600 GTS super clock will drop in price to the x1950 pro range in attempts to replace it in terms of performance (where it does a good job) and newer technology. While the other card will be a new high end. It's the only possible solution when you think about the market. The only slot between everything is mid range around the 200 dollar mark. While the other g9x series since they have two (g92/g98) being the new high end.

Overall I think it sounds more plausible then being false. They are doing a damn good job and I believe this is how it will unfold. The transcript does show that the inquirer did acquire their information from that webcast. We also know the processors are taped out...We do know that Nvidia has a 90-100 day tape out period as we've seen with their past cards.

Overall I think everything is presented well..If you have any thoughts that can rattle my opinion, post...Love to hear your thoughts. But honestly I think there is more then enough information. After all..G9x would mean a 9xxx series name...there is only one hole in the 200 dollar mark...They have 2 GPU's coming out...seems the most educated guess...If memory serves me right the g80 series was revealed by Nvidia in October 2006. considering their November releases and the fact that they're taped out I expect similar...after all, they like their "rhythm"...and don't intend to break it as they stated.
 


The only reason i know of for a gpu manufacturer not to "leak" specs etc about any possible new cards would be that they stink, seen it only recently with the HD series :)
Mactronix
 


Well most everyone else is expecting the GF8xxx refresh as the G9x and the G100 (the R700's) competition as the GF9xxx series cards. But as for previous naming conventions the NV48 became the G70, so IMO anything can happen.

We all know Nvidia is bringing something to the table but we don't know what.
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And that's the point. While in May they may have hoped to get the replacement for the GF8800 out by the end of the year, that's a long way before they're even doing a final spin, so even they wouldn't know for sure when they are doing full on production, and if it's an analyst call is that get a new product to the AIBs by the end of the year or the customer?

But considering the fact that the codename is G9x it will be carrying a G9xxx title. G92 and the G98 are due to be brewing around the corner.
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Just speculation. It makes sense, but it's not a done deal, heck they didn't even confirm what is what yet, and the G92/98 info is somewhat rumour, if they are so hard set on sticking to convention then why is the high end replacement a G#2 insted of the G90 we all expect for a high end?

I'll never believe a word from the inquirer...But...the fact that they taped out g92/g98 means something.
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Yes it means they have an upcoming part, but what that is we still don't know. The G92 could be upper mid-range and the G98 could really be the replacement for anything else. Just because you have a part in that segment doesn't mean you won't replace it (see the FX5600 Rev 1 & 2 ; or the X1600Xt - > 1650Pro / X1650 XT / X1950Pro)

We also know the processors are taped out...We do know that Nvidia has a 90-100 day tape out period as we've seen with their past cards.
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90-100 days is without the need for a respin, so whichever one taped out in August it's time frame would be pre-Xmas baring any problems, but sofar they are only saying it's the G92, not a second part. And right now that's a minimum timeframe realistically, sofar each card released in the past year had a respin, so who knows what a realistic timeframe is, because once they have final silicon it then goes to the AIB who puts it on the boards and then out to customers. That last part takes about just over a month to get sufficient quantities for a solid launch according to the past statements about the G80. So whatever it was that taped out in August has a good chance of making it for an Xmas launch, but I still wouldn't say that anything is written in stone.

Still a long way away from having parts in stores, and like I said, I'm less confident in a whole new part, than a refresh; but we won't know until they're in reviewers' hands.
 
It makes more sense for NV to introduce a more competitive mid-range card now than a new high-end part. They don't need a 9X00 series right now. They need a competitive mid-range part because ATI still has better offerings in that range.
 
And also because AMD's about to cripple their ig end to make something interesting in that segment. If nV gets a true 'built-for' upper mid part out there, then they've got a great advantage, when ATi will be selling an expensive to make and higher power consuming part to fit a rather price sensitive market segment. That IMO is also the reason that nV wants to replace the GTS-320 which is expensive to produce as a $200 part.

Same problem AMD will encounter with the R600 Pro if it's just a crippled R600, but unfortunately for them, they don't have any other fall-back until they bring out a fully revised chip as well. That to me is just as important as filling the gap, filling it with he best margin option, which the GTS-320 struggles with.
 
I do agree with you on that segment. AMD really does need something new. Nvidia as well needs something for the mid range segments since the gap between a 8600 GTS to 8800 GTS 320 is quite large. I'll admit the super clocked 8600 GTS are not that bad at all. They can outperform the x1950 pro in numerous titles but it's still not acceptable for the price tag. Most of them retail for around 170-210. Frankly unacceptable.

I'm really curious though on what these new Nvidia cards are going to be. If it is indeed two new gpus under g92 and g98 I think it will be both mid and high end. It wouldn't be too hard to believe Nvidia is ahead of schedule. But yea...I agree with you...I'm mostly basing off my theory on nvidia's claims in the transcript. Considering they don't wish to deviate it does mean we got something coming. During November time frames in the past two years they have released high end cards...But they've also released refreshes of their top ends as well which we haven't seen yet. So it literally could be anything. I do believe we will have either a refresh of the high-end or maybe (hopefully but still up in the air) a new g9xxx series. Although it is hard to guess at this time. With the Radeon 2900 pro about to be released it'll probably be a counter mid range...If there are 2 chips in production maybe a high-end to go with it. A new mid range is needed though...but hopefully...Just hopefully, will get a high-end or a refresh of the g80.

 
Tell me they don't go over 55c under load, and they don't cost more than $300.

Heat is the biggest pain in the arse for me. Idiotic how hot the newer cards get.

Can't believe those prices. The 8800's and the 2900's are still being sold at a higher price than the original MSRP. Whatever was posted, we'll never see.

 
Even though it is probably not a true article, I am going to laugh in every last one of your faces if this turns out to be right. It will be so funny if these articles are right, I bet most of the people who discredit these articles don't even know what half of the specs mean...
 
Hopefully the refresh is of a 8900gtx, or 8950gtx who cares 😛

It would be a nice xmas present, I want to upgrade to a DX10 card for xmas would be ncie to know nvidida have a much more powerful one by then 😀

It likely wont be MUCH stronger just higher clocks and 65nm.
 
I just bought the 8800 GTS 320MB, hopefully something very appealing will be out before my eVGA 90 day step-up program expires, as I would like something with just a little more guts to it.
 

Tracks alway pissed off ,! lmao
 
Man, I'm glad I'm not a graphics whore. My 7900GT that I bought over two years ago is still plugging along just fine.

I expect a 65nm refresh for the 8 series for november.
 
There are reputable sources going both ways for G92. Some say it's the new 9800 but most say it's less powerful and will come out as the 8700GTS. I'm putting my money on the latter.
 
I don't think the RV670 would kick the crap out of the GF8800GTX, it's supposed to compete just below GF8800GTS, but at a cost significantly cheapr than an R600Pro/GT.

I wouldn't expect any R V 6xx product to match let alone beat a GF8800GTX. Now an R670 or R680 would be a different story.
 
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