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Please, give some respect instead of just assuming that I am a Mac fanboy. I am not. I just converted to a Mac laptop for simplicity of use, and found out some virtues that I like. There are some shortcomings that can be overcome, but overall it is more than satisfactory.

Anyhow, if creating software that is cross-platformed is so difficult, why is there so much of it available for both Windows and Mac? Realplayer is cross platformed, as is iTunes, Windows Media Player, MS Office, you name it. Cross platforming is not as difficult as people may think, it just takes a little more time than writing for one OS alone. (You would figure, it takes a little more time at the keyboard to do the new encode of the program you are creating.) I am not a programmer, however my father has been for about 20 years. He writes programs for both Windows and Mac systems, telling me that I am not that far off the mark in my understanding of cross-platforming. If you know how to write for both, it is not THAT hard, just a little time consuming.

Anyhow, I know that more companies would have to be brought into the mix, such as benchmarking companies such as PCMark and 3dMark. Also, would it be possible for someone to write new code to run DirectX programs, thus opening up the gaming market? Mabye or mabye not. I am not a programmer, some of you are. I just know that one of the chief complaints regarding writing for Mac, at least cross-platforming, used to be not because of software, but because of hardware, namely the CPU. Architecture was a huge problem that is no longer an issue. Now Mac is running x86 just like PC's. An old fighter entered ring with a new heart, (Mac that is,) and it might seem that PC people are scared. I just gather that from PC fanboys.

I asked a simple question. Would it be possible for Tom's to benchmark a OSX system against either a Windows XP system or Vista? This would definately open up some serious discussions about the market today when either one wins. A fair comparison would take the "fanboy" issue out of the equation, be it Mac of Windows. All I would like to see is a fair comparison between the two. Whoever wins I will take it and run with it.
 
I'm not trying to dismiss you as a fanboy. It is the fact that anyone who trys to tell you that either osx or xp is better then me trying to convince you that you should run 80 octane low lead gas in your car because it run better in my plane then 100 octane lead free gas.

I am a programer and writing simple code that is cross platform is easy. The problem is with more complex programs. Many programs exist on both platforms but that doesn't mean they run the same. Photoshop is a program that was writen to run on the powerPC under mac os. It runs on PCs but not as well. Other programs like ms office don't even have all the same features as on the other system.

One of the easy ways to write cross platform code is using Java. But to show java's limitations look at how slow open office runs compared to ms.

Simply using a different c++ compiler will make a difference in how a program runs.

DX is a MS product. Yes it is possible to make it run on a mac, but either apple would need to invest lots of money so that it is natively supported or it will always run buggy and slow by running through another graphics api.

My point was that you are trying to treat this like it is some trivial thing to find which is better. It isn't trivial and no one has the answer. Anyone that tries to tell you differently is likely a fanboy/fansite.

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FYI I run several macs, pcs and linux/unix systems at my home and also have access to an IBM mainframe running z/OS.
 
your forgetting the simple answer KTev....


Nobody uses a Mac in the real world... so who cares? This was a statement astablished on the first page.


Macs are like pigs feet at the supermarket. Nobody actualy buys them to eat, but every now and then, some clueless hungary bloke w/no english skills will pick up a bottle and attempt to cure his hunger not knowing there are much beter, cheaper, and more supported options out there.

For instance,... had he gone with bread instead of a bottle of pigs feet, he could have purchased Jam, or Peanutt butter to upgrade hs bread. They could make Peanutt butter compatible with pigs feet, but they would have to go though the hoove API, and it wouldnt taste as good.
 
WAIT WAIT...

Asian people eat pigs feet all the time, I've had it before, and it's fairly good. Don't be hating on the food, if you've never tried it, how do you know it's not good. And what do you mean bottle of pigs feet? How do they come in bottles?

Your analogy is confusing me...
 
? The come in a small jar. ... look horrible, smell bad.... but I guess my analogy only applies to my part of the country.


Please replace Pigs Feet with any rare, uncommon, and horrible tasting food of your choice.
 
If no one purchases Mac, then how do you explain the fact they have a 10% market share? Not only that, they have their market share through actual innovation, not through theft of intellectual property and strong arming business clients such as IBM, Compaq, Hewlett Packard, Packard Bell, and others. (go here for more info:

http://homepage.mac.com/shentzu/dmoz/hatems.html )

Apple does have considerable market share, don't make a mistake about that. I didn't when I ran exclusively with PC's. Don't get me as a Mac fanboy, as I may sound like it. I am just a realist. If I said that Macs were going to take over, I would be sadly mistaken. Microsoft has a juggernaut that I don't think will easily beaten, however they are beginning to beat themselves with pending patent lawsuits that they themselves have created through hypocrisy. They have for a number of years protect "intellectual" property while actively stealing and killing competition. (Does NETSCAPE ring a bell? How about WinAmp?)
 
Ha,... you want to guess how much of Mac is still based on Mac? Not much... they even gave up on their own processor instead of prolipherating inovation in that sect.


and if Mac became a real alternitive to the PC, I would guess at that point, Mac has given up on everything and became a PC.

No real computer user would chose mac over PC.... there are times when you just want that second mouse button.
 
Nice web page. Add it to the list of fanboy pages that only tell half truths. They list as one of the problems with windows is that it comes installed on your computer. Boy that must be a big shock when you bring home that new dell and it had windows not osX on it.

10% market share is low. In most industries there are only a few good reason to have low market share: One, high competition (you can only get a osx from apple); two, product targets a very small segment of market (as many have stated osx has the same features and for a similar pricing as xp); third, produce a nock off product (mac users will say their product is far from an xp knock off); fourth, new to the market (apple was there at the beginning of the pc). So from what I can figure they have failed as a software company.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2158
This site list apple at 6.1% and dell at 32.1% with a 7.1% loss of sales over the year. Again for the same reasons they seem to have failed as a hardware company.

How about the corprate market? Know anyone hosting their network on a Mac server 2003?

Lets face it thinking apple is relevant in the pc market is like thinking that the green party is relevant in then next presidential election.

If Steve-o was half as smart and a great inventor as mac fans make him out to be he too would have known it would be a lot better for the computer industry and his pocket book to license his technology to those that can use it.
 
For one, they never failed as a software company. How Microsoft got its huge market share was through corporate strong arming. What I mean by that is in the beginning Microsoft had an aggressive apporach to licensing. If you wanted to build "some" of you computers with MS-DOS, you had to get a license to do so from Microsoft. Under this agreement manufacturers would pay Microsoft a fee for every computer it built, regardless of having MS-DOS on it or not.

So people began paying Microsoft for software they didn't even have. Also, Microsoft is not an innovator at all. OSX is not an XP clone like you are insinuating. Without the addition of the dock, OSX resembles OS9 and other OS's from Mac going many years back. XP continued the feel of Windows 95, which was a direct rip-off of the Mac OS.

Microsoft also stole "intellectual" property from Apple in the implementation of various features in their operating systems, in which they were sued over it. They even flagrantly admitted that they had in fact stolen software ideas and even appearance from the Mac software, but told the courts that they had been given the right to do so by Apple. Apple contested this in the case, but oddly lost. (Only Microsoft could win this type of case.) Granted, Microsoft has put out good products over the years, but I don't believe the ends should justify the means. Bad business is bad business, not matter what your product is.

Most of the things that Bill Gates has gotten over the years has in fact been stolen, not innovation at Microsoft. Microsoft is not a company of innovation, but reaction. They don't, and haven't led, since the 1970's. However, my question is still this, "Could Tom's, in the future, when software to do so is available, benchmark OS X systems along side Windows systems to see which performs better?"
 
Your a little off.

I'm not trying to say that osx is a cheap rip off. If it was that would be one reason for the low market share.

The way the made their money was by licensing software and not giving a crap about the hardware market that they had no chance in. Apple took a protective attitude and created a system that would only run there software and wouldn't allow their software to run on other computers.

Apple followed a more or less classic business model. If you want to call Gates and idiot that fell into becoming the richest man in the world because it makes you and all the macaphiles fell good, go ahead. The business model that was created by MS was revolutionary in the industry.

Microsoft didn't exist in the 70's. MS-Dos was released in '81. Over the next few years apple was a big force in pc industry. Apple blew it. If at any point in the last 25 years steve took a lesson from billy and dropped out of the hardware industry they would have had a chance to compete with Microsoft. At this point by apple going over to pc hardware they are only a small step from being there.

Just because a piece of software is inspired by someone else's work doesn't make it stealing.

Some of the crap that has been copyrighted is a joke (ie buttons).

For someone that claims not to be a macaholic you seem to like to bash gates and ms a lot.


To answer your question: Yes, but don't expect it anytime soon.
 
http://www.billgatesforpresident.net/

Bill Gates is my hero, I would vote for him!

http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2006/11/bill_gates_for_.html

Even Scott Adams, famed creator of Dilbert, supports Bill wholeheartedly.

I’ve always felt that you should pick a president the same way you’d pick an attorney to help you out of a dangerous legal problem. Do you want the attorney who dresses nicely and belongs to your church? Or do you want the attorney who can rip out your opponent’s heart and put it on the hibachi before he dies? Maybe it’s just me, but I want an attorney who is part demon. And I want a president who isn’t afraid to make rational decisions.
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If Bill can lead Microsoft to dominate the world, don't you want him to lead America to do the same?
 
Oh, didn't see the original question...

Yeah, 400 Gigs... it's still increasing... lets see...

1 400 Gig Hdd
1 300 Gig Hdd
2 250 Gig Hdd
4 200 Gig Hdd
1 100 Gig Hdd

= 2.1TB * .93 = 1.953TB of actual drive space.

All hooked up to my laptop. My desk is chock full on external enclosures and USB hubs... I have... 2 USB hubs and a PCMCIA II Expansion card with additional USB ports...
 
No, what i mean is this:
1 TB anime/manga, 300G Games, 400G Movies, 100G music and others
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you say 300g game. Do you mean 300,000 games, 400,000 movies, 100,000 songs?


and you need to consolidate. Sell your drives and get 4 500gb drives, or a few 750gb, or the new 1tb - 1.2tb drives comming soon.

Btw, i apreciate a guy who likes space :)
2x 500gb drives
2x 100gb drives
1x 360gb external
1x 300gb external
1x 160gb
1x 120gb
1x 80gb
4x 20gb (each running either, server2003, XP pro, win2000, and win2000server as a Domain controler)

2.139TB..... and still not enough.
Hay doughboy, post your torrent program all time download/upload stats. :)

Cause thats sound far more then just a few TB.
 
... I don't think that many games even exist...

Haha, nope, I have nowhere close to that many games, especially since games these days take up a good 3-4 gigs a pop...

400,000 movies at around 700mb a movie ~ 280,000,000mb

280 000 000 megabytes = 267.028809 terabytes
 
Guys, this has nothing to do with the topic whatsoever. Storage in Terabytes has nothing to do with performance of a system given a set of applications or a game. Please, stay on topic and stop flooding this thread with nonsense. Thank you.

Now, back to Gates for President. I wouldn't want that man in the White House for the simple fact that I doubt his character. In the case of President, character is a paramount feature to look into. You have to know what kind of person the man is that you are voting for. I am not saying that Bill Gates is satan, but would you vote Satan for president. (Seriously? Who, unless they were on crack, for real, would vote for satan for president?) The reason behind this is that you know what kind of individual you would voting for based on his past history. The same would be for Bill Gates. He claims that no one can take his "intellectual" property, claiming theft if they do, however he does the same on a regular basis to all others who might threaten his empire.

I am not a Mac fanboy, I have just never liked Bill Gates. I have used other operating systems as well, like Linux and FreeBSD, but mostly used Windows because I thought at the time that I had no other real serious choices to do anything worthwhile. This is some of the garbage that is fed to the computing world by Microsoft fanboys. I have learned that there are other serious options.

Now to respond to the user who asked, "Do you see anyone running servers with Mac?" I of course, say almost never. However, the other options that are out there right now are IBM, Linux servers and of course, Sun Microsystems. (Microsoft has tried many times to wipe out the Linux influx into the market, as well as Sun, but has failed miserably.) Many people are getting tired of Microsoft's games, (I mean business, not video games,) and have been moving to other platforms for a long time.

Again, I will state this. Microsoft has put out good products. Windows XP ran very well, as did Windows 2000. (The best PC and workstation OS's they put out to date.) However, the ends, (the product that they release,) do not justify the means. (How the ideas for product came about. (Stolen from the individual creator of the software.)) People do not need to forget about Windows Media Player coming out and trying to stomp RealPlayer, WinAmp, and others. The same goes for Internet Explorer trying to stomp out Netscape.

I have a good prediction. Internet Explorer, if past trends continue, will follow the model of Mozilla Firefox. Firefox 2 now has a feature that will allow you to continue your previous session if Firefox crashes for some reason. This feature is useful as it picks everything up where it was when it crashed, everything you were looking at, every tab in the browser. Microsoft within the next year will rip that off and call it "Microsoft Innovation."
 
Actualy, if your game required 1tb of storage to take full advantage of it, then available space does change performance...

imagine if you had to switch beween 250 dvd's just to play a game? Not cool.
 
Microsoft didn't exist in the 70's. MS-Dos was released in '81. Over the next few years apple was a big force in pc industry. Apple blew it. If at any point in the last 25 years steve took a lesson from billy and dropped out of the hardware industry they would have had a chance to compete with Microsoft. At this point by apple going over to pc hardware they are only a small step from being there.
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BTW, Microsoft was incorporated in 1976 and released their version of Basic. MS-DOS was not the first thing they worked on together, Paul Allen and Bill Gates that is.


You might need to do some refreshing reading here.
 
I'm jacking this thread just to show how much crap I care about this topic. Everything's been discussed, rediscussed to death, and then dug up, brought back to life, and discussed to death again. Your views won't change anybody elses view, just like any body else's view won't change yours. This topic should just be dropped. We have reached 7 pages of this $hit and no one has given an inch.

And about the president thing... oh sure, we all want president with character. Tell me, who did you vote for president in 04? 00?

George B.? The one who got us into this Iraq mess and who won't get us out. Oh, so much character there, a person who can't even say things right and get common colloquial quotes right. Bill Gates made Microsoft what it is, a world power. Or do I want a president that doesn't have the know-how to make America powerful and have others listen to them, even if it means strong-arming people (which, don't tell me America has never done before).

Screw it, let me see if I can get this thread locked. This is pointless.
 
I have a good prediction. Internet Explorer, if past trends continue, will follow the model of Mozilla Firefox. Firefox 2 now has a feature that will allow you to continue your previous session if Firefox crashes for some reason. This feature is useful as it picks everything up where it was when it crashed, everything you were looking at, every tab in the browser. Microsoft within the next year will rip that off and call it "Microsoft Innovation."
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This feature first came out in Opera, as did a lot of other features in Firefox (e.g. tabbed browsing).

So everyone rips off everyone else's ideas. I mean look at Star Office - it's a total rip off of MS Office, but MS just keeps moving on - that's what you have to do in the software world.
 
A valiant attempt at getting the thread locked, doughbuy... I hope you succeed in your goal. Switching it to politics is a sure-fire way to get this baby locked up!
 
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