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Microsoft did the right thing. The same exact thing happened when the EU wanted them to include the virus called Real player in addition to Media Palyer. Microsoft simply removed their media player and offered nothing. That copy of Windows sold in the low single digits.

Haha EU. Eat it!
 
This article is right on!
you need a second pc to grab the files.
I would have preferred if we would not be forced to download IE8... IE7 is in my eyes better.
 
A couple of errors in this article.

For one, Microsoft said explicitly that they'd leave the ability in for people do download the browser. So, apparently, there will be some connectivity left in.

Oh, and about Netscape, it wasn't because Internet Explorer was better, it was because it was free and came with the OS. Netscape used to charge money for their browser, that was how they made money. Not so with Microsoft, which could make money with their OS and other applications. So, they could offer it for free, and bundle it with the operating system, and screwed Netscape. Eventually, Netscape lost massive amounts of market share, and also had to offer their product for free, but this was not a business model that worked for them, obviously.

So, Microsoft, in my opinion, DID abuse monopoly power, just as they did many times earlier to push their inferior products on the market. I don't think anyone is stupid enough to say Microsoft has not broken laws, but, equally clearly, the EU has no grounds at all to keep fining Microsoft if they are going to remove all browsers from the OS. When it gets to the point where they think they can tell our companies exactly what features they need to add, our government needs to retaliate to protect our companies. I truly hate Microsoft, and I think they're products almost universally suck and always have, but, even for me, this is completely inappropriate behavior by the EU.

Probably the French and Italians are behind it. The French are always creating problems. The Brits still have pride, and the Germans build enough good stuff that they don't have any reason to be threatened by anyone. So, considering the military prowess of those two countries, we could send a couple of battalions of boy scouts over and have them conquered in a fortnight, weather permitting.
 
the problem is if they give you a choice to install say firefox then Microsoft has to offer technical support for firefox which i think is just plain stupid
 
being an enterprise software developer a want to say windows was and should remain just an operating system . all of microsoft's web dev tools are only supported on windows . they want to control how the net works indirectly , they tried wrestling control of Java , but Sun fought a legal battle and Won .

the majority of toms readers could be gamers , and may not give particular importance to non windows world . but here is this : we on our side have to explore more and more about the computing world , as it is not like rocket science at all .

sitting and complaining is all what kids do . so get started : gamers , non gamers , there is so much you can do with linux , say ubuntu . you can create the game you want to see , etc etc .

all of this because if we let the computing world become more obscure , the deeper the trouble . open source is the of software .
 
i had preloaded vista with I.E 7 but the day i bought this laptop , i installed open source Firefox with iFox smooth ! with microsoft i had more limited options .

the more innocent a consumer is , the more he becomes a herded sheep.
 
People keep saying "Make it offer the most popular web browsers." From a business point of view, this is suicide. Advertising other companies' products and comparing them to yours could potentially reduce the user base of your browser to very few.
 
What does it matter what people use for a browser honestly? It really doesn't make sense to ship an OS without a browser installed. EU should really be slapped back into reality and/or at least look at this from a consumer point of view...
 
Warning! If you are a short sighted person, that flames and bashes left and right mark this comment with -1 and skip it, cause it's gonna piss u off if you read it

First thing, I'm a european, and now let's begin
If you're going to force Microsoft to remove something that is a matter of great convenience for me and everyone else, enforce this rule for all operating systems. Imagine getting your Mac home only to find that you can't do jack without Safari installed. Imagine building your custom rig, booting up, only to find that you can't grab the latest drivers because there's no browser.
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Wrong statement, and here's why: this rule doesn't need to be enforced to other OS because other OS have a built in customization option that lets you install drivers/os upgrades/software etc before installing the actual os. IF MS would have done the same thing ... i hope you can draw your own conclusion on this. Oh and yeah, I don't know about you but I would like the option of skipping movie maker, games, ie8, xp virtualization and other excess baggage that win7 will come with BEFOR I actually install it.

PS: Be happy cause you live in the US and the big bad EU devil isn't capable of reaching over the Atlantic Ocean, cause as this topic/comments are going, you'd probably have nightmares otherwise.
 
IE7 works; I can install games w/o a promblem which is a promblem for firfox when I tried it uh oo can't run it wtf?! thinks its a dang addon... so its essential to have IE7 with the os in order to do shit. I mean from there on the user has the option to download a third party browser. not sure why pple complain so much about IE7?
 
[citation][nom]slothman[/nom]It isn't a monopoly. You named their competitors. Monopoly would imply a lack of ability to compete. Apple certainly competes.[/citation]
All throughout 2007 when Opera lodged the complaint, IE had nearly 80% of the marketshare. The next most popular browser held about 15%. Prior to that it was even worse. Remember the days when IE6 was almost the only game in town? Know all those sites "optimized" for IE that didn't work well in other browsers because they depended on IE's unique rendering and non-standard HTML extensions? It's because of Internet Explorer's enormous clout that you had marquee tags.

Yes, IE has competitors that have become much more popular recently, but that doesn't mean it didn't have a monopoly. Don't pretend that you have to have a complete lack of competitors to hold one.
 
Mr. Tuan Nguyen How much Microsoft's Market Development Fund (MDF) money you will get with this article?
This is one of the most dishonest article at TH. EU Commission wants MS not to bundle the IE with windows, which is very different from pre-installing it. Most people my not see the difference, but you know better then that.
EU Commission has not ruled anything yet. This was MS decision to not pre-install the browser. By default I do not like when government is sticking their finger in to private business, but after this dirty campaign by MS I will not be opposition any more for the EU commission to slap MS with new fine.
 
[citation][nom]TheMan1214[/nom]So then apple and linux shouldn't be able to use browsers too.[/citation]
Apple you can fine. How are you going to fine every single Linux distribution developer?

Hmm... Scratch that, the EU will find a way.
 
Thank you, you and I are on the same page about this recent browser scandal. I think Microsoft is allowed to ship Microsoft Internet Explorer with Microsoft Windows operating systems but just have an uninstall option and the controversy is over.
 
So many people who don't get it. Don't you realize what all the lawsuits are about? Microsoft SHOULD remove IE from it's product, and no one should expect them to provide an alternative. Obviously. And distributors of computers who pre-install an OS, productivity software, and tons of crap that no one wants ... can preinstall a few browsers with it. And that Windows installation disk you buy? No one is saying it can't come with a browser.
For those of you who STILL don't get it, the reason linux and apple come with a browser pre-installed without any consequences ... they don't break the law to keep their market dominance (or lack thereof). Plain and simple. Do you think any of the lawsuits are strictly about microsoft deciding to include certain functionality?
 
The OEM, like DELL, will include IE. Microsoft never sells directly to the public anyways. It is almost a joke when they say that they will not include IE themselves.
 
Windows update service could be used to add the choice of browser(thats IE). Believe it or not, though I use FF most of the time, IE is something I cant live with out.
 
It was not Europe's decision to remove IE from Windows 7. This was Microsoft's decision alone. Europe's order was to have a list of current Browsers to be packaged with Windows, so the user could choose which one should be installed. Microsoft didn't like the idea, and removed all browsers from the installation altogether. I am sure, Microsoft has a very user friendly plan to bring IE back on the machines running such Windows. Imagine a BIG DOWNLOAD IE BUTTON on the desktop! Or the UPDATES AVAILABLE popping up right after installation. I am living in Europe, and I can live without IE packaged in Windows. I have enough computers at home, one of which can download the latest Firefox for the new OS.
 
Note: Why is all you Microsoft haters going down the line putting a negative on all the comments that may disagree with you? Are you that pathetic?

Not everyone lives in the EU and in fact the EU is just a certain amount of countries grouped together. It's not all of Europe just a portion of it.
If Microsoft had charged for IE after they had gained a significant market share then I could see where the problem would be. In my eyes and for most people they like free products. If Microsoft hadn't done what they did you would all be paying $30-$40.00 for a stupid browser that does less than it does now.
So you use Linux. I don't and I like IE bundled with my OS. Makes things simple. Opera for certain sites, IE for the rest. Nobody is telling you to go buy Windows 7 or you have to use it. If you are working at a job that uses Windows and you dislike it that much then quit.
To be honest I am sure most of the people in the EU would rather have Windows bundled with IE than without. This is just going to cause hardship on good people who would rather just use their computers than have to take a two year course on Linux.

EU has been getting this haughty little attitude like they are better than everyone else for a while. To be honest they can take that little haughty attitude and stick it where the sun doesn't shine. If it wasn't for us Yanks, Russians, and Australians (forgot Canadians but come on do they really count... just kidding) we know exactly where you would be right now. Seriously, your great grand parents must be rolling in their graves right now.
At least us non EU folks no how to put on a bit of a fight but this sniveling and whining is just for the birds. Netscape was ages ago and to be honest if they would have had some business sense they could of been Google. But that's what happens to companies (well what is supposed to happen to companies) that fail.
For the EU to actually matter it would have to be something and to be honest it hasn't been something for some time. In fact as it stands now it's the groveling spoiled brat of the West and needs to be spanked. Here's to the big board coming sooner than later. Cheers!

 
Dear Tuan Nguyen!

You're rapidly losing credibility.
As one commenter already pointed out - the EU pushed for "presenting user with a list of browser options upon first logging in to system".

So get your facts straight before spitting out more bullshit.

That IE was better than Netscape, is yet another example how your knowledge of what you're writing about is lacking.
 
[citation][nom]SpadeM[/nom]Warning! If you are a short sighted person, that flames and bashes left and right mark this comment with -1 and skip it, cause it's gonna piss u off if you read itFirst thing, I'm a european, and now let's beginWrong statement, and here's why: this rule doesn't need to be enforced to other OS because other OS have a built in customization option that lets you install drivers/os upgrades/software etc before installing the actual os. IF MS would have done the same thing ... i hope you can draw your own conclusion on this. Oh and yeah, I don't know about you but I would like the option of skipping movie maker, games, ie8, xp virtualization and other excess baggage that win7 will come with BEFOR I actually install it. PS: Be happy cause you live in the US and the big bad EU devil isn't capable of reaching over the Atlantic Ocean, cause as this topic/comments are going, you'd probably have nightmares otherwise.[/citation]

Really? I can't recall where the OS X install lets me remove Safari.
 
[citation][nom]weedy[/nom]Dear Tuan Nguyen!You're rapidly losing credibility.As one commenter already pointed out - the EU pushed for "presenting user with a list of browser options upon first logging in to system".So get your facts straight before spitting out more bullshit.That IE was better than Netscape, is yet another example how your knowledge of what you're writing about is lacking.[/citation]

Where did I say IE was better than Netscape?
Maybe you should get your facts straight first?
 
Lol, really? Then ask someone who knows SOMETHING about OS X.

Removing Safari is like 2 clicks (Applications->Safari) and "delete" button away!

You really are pretending to know something when you don't.

BTW, it's not possible to register here using either Firefox of Safari on a Mac, please do fix that.
 
Let me remind you:
"What occurred was that Microsoft came up with a better and more convenient solution for end users."

Of course, and you never heard how MS used it's monopoly to drive Netscape out, instead they had "a better solution"..
IE has been the worst (most buggy, least secure, slowest, least conforming to standards) of popular browsers for quite a time now, you know?

And how about an answer to you not even checking the facts about EU? Ashamed uh?:)
 
Let me remind you:
"What occurred was that Microsoft came up with a better and more convenient solution for end users."

Of course, and you never heard how MS used it's monopoly to drive Netscape out, instead they had "a better solution"..
IE has been the worst (most buggy, least secure, slowest, least conforming to standards) of popular browsers for quite a time now, you know?

And how about an answer to you not even checking the facts about EU? Ashamed uh?:)
 
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