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"E2E t-bot BT" <English-to-English.translator.bot@Babel.Fish>
wrote:

> I am still using a corded mouse (logitech wheelmouse).
>
> I would like to get a better mouse which has at least as good
> precision, responsiveness, accuracy, etc.
>
> Would an optical mouse be better on all counts?
>
> What about a cordless mouse. Are they poor performers? What
> about a Bluetooth connection - is that good. Is it pricey.
>
> Are there any web sites which discuss this. Google is no help
> to me.


Assuming both are cord-attached then is an optical mouse is
inherently better than a non-optical mouse?
 
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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 23:02:38 +0100, Piotr Makley <pmakley@mail.com> wrote:

>"E2E t-bot BT" <English-to-English.translator.bot@Babel.Fish>
>wrote:
>
>> I am still using a corded mouse (logitech wheelmouse).
>>
>> I would like to get a better mouse which has at least as good
>> precision, responsiveness, accuracy, etc.
>>
>> Would an optical mouse be better on all counts?
>>
>> What about a cordless mouse. Are they poor performers? What
>> about a Bluetooth connection - is that good. Is it pricey.
>>
>> Are there any web sites which discuss this. Google is no help
>> to me.
>
>
>Assuming both are cord-attached then is an optical mouse is
>inherently better than a non-optical mouse?

....like INFINITELY better. 😵

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The big difference is that an optical mouse has no roller ball, hence it
doesn't require a mouse pad, can be used on virtually any solid surface and
there are no maintenance problems such as grime clogging the roller ball
thus requiring it to periodically be cleaned.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"Piotr Makley" <pmakley@mail.com> wrote in message
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> "E2E t-bot BT" <English-to-English.translator.bot@Babel.Fish>
> wrote:
>
>> I am still using a corded mouse (logitech wheelmouse).
>>
>> I would like to get a better mouse which has at least as good
>> precision, responsiveness, accuracy, etc.
>>
>> Would an optical mouse be better on all counts?
>>
>> What about a cordless mouse. Are they poor performers? What
>> about a Bluetooth connection - is that good. Is it pricey.
>>
>> Are there any web sites which discuss this. Google is no help
>> to me.
>
>
> Assuming both are cord-attached then is an optical mouse is
> inherently better than a non-optical mouse?
 
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I would prefer optical with a USB wire. I might have a
wireless as a second device.

I al;so like trackballs. The trackball does need to be
cleaned because dust, lint and even dead skin cells do get
in the ball socket. A standard optical mouse is
self-cleaning since the base is flat. They work on any
surface except polished metal and mirrors.


"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)"
<user@#notme.com> wrote in message
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| The big difference is that an optical mouse has no roller
ball, hence it
| doesn't require a mouse pad, can be used on virtually any
solid surface and
| there are no maintenance problems such as grime clogging
the roller ball
| thus requiring it to periodically be cleaned.
|
| --
| Michael Solomon MS-MVP
| Windows Shell/User
| Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
| DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
|
| "Piotr Makley" <pmakley@mail.com> wrote in message
| news:94C6EA6A6FDAA31E75@130.133.1.4...
| > "E2E t-bot BT"
<English-to-English.translator.bot@Babel.Fish>
| > wrote:
| >
| >> I am still using a corded mouse (logitech wheelmouse).
| >>
| >> I would like to get a better mouse which has at least
as good
| >> precision, responsiveness, accuracy, etc.
| >>
| >> Would an optical mouse be better on all counts?
| >>
| >> What about a cordless mouse. Are they poor performers?
What
| >> about a Bluetooth connection - is that good. Is it
pricey.
| >>
| >> Are there any web sites which discuss this. Google is
no help
| >> to me.
| >
| >
| > Assuming both are cord-attached then is an optical mouse
is
| > inherently better than a non-optical mouse?
|
|
 
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> >
> >
> >Assuming both are cord-attached then is an optical mouse is
> >inherently better than a non-optical mouse?
>
> ...like INFINITELY better. 😵
>

Way over-simplified. It depends on how you use it. If you are only running
office apps. on a desktop computer and have a decent (non-reflective) mouse
pad, then it's hard to beat an optical mouse. For a notebook, you want a
mechanical mouse (the kind with a mouse ball). That's because optical mice
don't work too well on many surfaces you will find in motel rooms, and it's
inconvenient to have to carry a mouse pad with a notebook computer. Also,
optical mice (all brands) get a bit jumpy on quick movement. If you are a
gamer, you might want to stick with the ball. -Dave
 
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> >"E2E t-bot BT" <English-to-English.translator.bot@Babel.Fish>
> >wrote:

> Would an optical mouse be better on all counts?

AFAIK, optical mice are at a disadvantage in only in two respects:

1. They draw about ten times the power of mechanical mice, which may
be why cordless versions are still rare.

2. They won't work on clear glass surfaces or on mirrors.

I've used only three brands of optical mice -- Logitech, Memorex, and
i-Concepts/Sakar, the latter two really cheap ones, all have worked
far better than any mechanical mouse I've tried. No more skipping or
stuck cursor if the surface was rough, dirty, or too slick or if the
mouse rollers accumulated lint. OfficeMax often features an optical
mouse for free after $10 rebate -- see www.salescircular.com, and
Fry's has had them for as little as $2.99, no rebate.
 
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Optical mice work great on my blue jeans or my bare leg.

Haven't tried my gut.


"Dave C." <spammersdie@ahorribledeath.now> wrote in message
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| > >
| > >
| > >Assuming both are cord-attached then is an optical
mouse is
| > >inherently better than a non-optical mouse?
| >
| > ...like INFINITELY better. 😵
| >
|
| Way over-simplified. It depends on how you use it. If
you are only running
| office apps. on a desktop computer and have a decent
(non-reflective) mouse
| pad, then it's hard to beat an optical mouse. For a
notebook, you want a
| mechanical mouse (the kind with a mouse ball). That's
because optical mice
| don't work too well on many surfaces you will find in
motel rooms, and it's
| inconvenient to have to carry a mouse pad with a notebook
computer. Also,
| optical mice (all brands) get a bit jumpy on quick
movement. If you are a
| gamer, you might want to stick with the ball. -Dave
|
|
|
 
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My uncle uses a trackball, it drives me nuts!<VBG> Whenever he asks me to
figure out some issue he's having that darn trackball just gets in the way.
In the future, I'm bringing my own mouse!

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote in message
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>I would prefer optical with a USB wire. I might have a
> wireless as a second device.
>
> I al;so like trackballs. The trackball does need to be
> cleaned because dust, lint and even dead skin cells do get
> in the ball socket. A standard optical mouse is
> self-cleaning since the base is flat. They work on any
> surface except polished metal and mirrors.
>
>
> "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)"
> <user@#notme.com> wrote in message
> news:%23GD7VHoHEHA.4088@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | The big difference is that an optical mouse has no roller
> ball, hence it
> | doesn't require a mouse pad, can be used on virtually any
> solid surface and
> | there are no maintenance problems such as grime clogging
> the roller ball
> | thus requiring it to periodically be cleaned.
> |
> | --
> | Michael Solomon MS-MVP
> | Windows Shell/User
> | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
> | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
> |
> | "Piotr Makley" <pmakley@mail.com> wrote in message
> | news:94C6EA6A6FDAA31E75@130.133.1.4...
> | > "E2E t-bot BT"
> <English-to-English.translator.bot@Babel.Fish>
> | > wrote:
> | >
> | >> I am still using a corded mouse (logitech wheelmouse).
> | >>
> | >> I would like to get a better mouse which has at least
> as good
> | >> precision, responsiveness, accuracy, etc.
> | >>
> | >> Would an optical mouse be better on all counts?
> | >>
> | >> What about a cordless mouse. Are they poor performers?
> What
> | >> about a Bluetooth connection - is that good. Is it
> pricey.
> | >>
> | >> Are there any web sites which discuss this. Google is
> no help
> | >> to me.
> | >
> | >
> | > Assuming both are cord-attached then is an optical mouse
> is
> | > inherently better than a non-optical mouse?
> |
> |
>
>
 
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"Dave C." <spammersdie@ahorribledeath.now> wrote in message
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> > >
> > >
> > >Assuming both are cord-attached then is an optical mouse is
> > >inherently better than a non-optical mouse?
> >
> > ...like INFINITELY better. 😵
> >
>
> Way over-simplified. It depends on how you use it. If you are only
running
> office apps. on a desktop computer and have a decent (non-reflective)
mouse
> pad, then it's hard to beat an optical mouse. For a notebook, you want a
> mechanical mouse (the kind with a mouse ball). That's because optical
mice
> don't work too well on many surfaces you will find in motel rooms, and
it's
> inconvenient to have to carry a mouse pad with a notebook computer. Also,
> optical mice (all brands) get a bit jumpy on quick movement. If you are a
> gamer, you might want to stick with the ball. -Dave
>
Definitely depends on how you're going to use it. I find that because the
mouse is so light the tension from the cord will actually make it spring
back when you let go. This is a problem when doing CAD work. I'm going to
try a mouse pad to see if that will give some more friction, but I think it
is a function of weight vs. tension. Otherwise I like the ease of use and
smoothness. A good reason to go wireless and optical, I guess. But I don't
like the idea of batteries.
Wireless Ones: What happens when they (batteries) get low? Do you get a
warning of some sort, or do funky thing start happening?
 
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And I prefer IBM's TrackPoint pointing system to the touchpad found on most
laptops...That's my opinion, I'm sticking to it!🙂

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
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"Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote in message
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>I would prefer optical with a USB wire. I might have a
> wireless as a second device.
>
> I al;so like trackballs. The trackball does need to be
> cleaned because dust, lint and even dead skin cells do get
> in the ball socket. A standard optical mouse is
> self-cleaning since the base is flat. They work on any
> surface except polished metal and mirrors.
>
>
> "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)"
> <user@#notme.com> wrote in message
> news:%23GD7VHoHEHA.4088@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | The big difference is that an optical mouse has no roller
> ball, hence it
> | doesn't require a mouse pad, can be used on virtually any
> solid surface and
> | there are no maintenance problems such as grime clogging
> the roller ball
> | thus requiring it to periodically be cleaned.
> |
> | --
> | Michael Solomon MS-MVP
> | Windows Shell/User
> | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
> | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
> |
> | "Piotr Makley" <pmakley@mail.com> wrote in message
> | news:94C6EA6A6FDAA31E75@130.133.1.4...
> | > "E2E t-bot BT"
> <English-to-English.translator.bot@Babel.Fish>
> | > wrote:
> | >
> | >> I am still using a corded mouse (logitech wheelmouse).
> | >>
> | >> I would like to get a better mouse which has at least
> as good
> | >> precision, responsiveness, accuracy, etc.
> | >>
> | >> Would an optical mouse be better on all counts?
> | >>
> | >> What about a cordless mouse. Are they poor performers?
> What
> | >> about a Bluetooth connection - is that good. Is it
> pricey.
> | >>
> | >> Are there any web sites which discuss this. Google is
> no help
> | >> to me.
> | >
> | >
> | > Assuming both are cord-attached then is an optical mouse
> is
> | > inherently better than a non-optical mouse?
> |
> |
>
>
 
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On 9 Apr 2004 19:30:49 -0700, larrymoencurly@my-deja.com (larrymoencurly) wrote:

>> >"E2E t-bot BT" <English-to-English.translator.bot@Babel.Fish>
>> >wrote:
>
>> Would an optical mouse be better on all counts?
>
>AFAIK, optical mice are at a disadvantage in only in two respects:
>
>1. They draw about ten times the power of mechanical mice, which may
>be why cordless versions are still rare.

Cordless optical mice are rare? Um...*checks the Staples website*...well you can choose between TEN
different models of cordless optical mice at Staples alone... 😵

>2. They won't work on clear glass surfaces or on mirrors.

Because so many desks are made out glass and mirrors...and for those times when you want to use the
mouse directly on the monitor, oh yeah, yer piss outta luck...but you know, white out on the monitor
will still work. ^_^

--

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I use a MS Trackball Optical with the trackball under my
right thumb and I click with my index finger, scroll with
the middle and right click with the ring finger. A friend
has a MS Trackball Explorer with the buttons on the side and
the ball on top. That is always a hard switch to do.


"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)"
<user@#notme.com> wrote in message
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| My uncle uses a trackball, it drives me nuts!<VBG>
Whenever he asks me to
| figure out some issue he's having that darn trackball just
gets in the way.
| In the future, I'm bringing my own mouse!
|
| --
| Michael Solomon MS-MVP
| Windows Shell/User
| Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
| DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
|
| "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote
in message
| news:e4hyecoHEHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
| >I would prefer optical with a USB wire. I might have a
| > wireless as a second device.
| >
| > I al;so like trackballs. The trackball does need to be
| > cleaned because dust, lint and even dead skin cells do
get
| > in the ball socket. A standard optical mouse is
| > self-cleaning since the base is flat. They work on any
| > surface except polished metal and mirrors.
| >
| >
| > "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)"
| > <user@#notme.com> wrote in message
| > news:%23GD7VHoHEHA.4088@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| > | The big difference is that an optical mouse has no
roller
| > ball, hence it
| > | doesn't require a mouse pad, can be used on virtually
any
| > solid surface and
| > | there are no maintenance problems such as grime
clogging
| > the roller ball
| > | thus requiring it to periodically be cleaned.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Michael Solomon MS-MVP
| > | Windows Shell/User
| > | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
| > | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
| > |
| > | "Piotr Makley" <pmakley@mail.com> wrote in message
| > | news:94C6EA6A6FDAA31E75@130.133.1.4...
| > | > "E2E t-bot BT"
| > <English-to-English.translator.bot@Babel.Fish>
| > | > wrote:
| > | >
| > | >> I am still using a corded mouse (logitech
wheelmouse).
| > | >>
| > | >> I would like to get a better mouse which has at
least
| > as good
| > | >> precision, responsiveness, accuracy, etc.
| > | >>
| > | >> Would an optical mouse be better on all counts?
| > | >>
| > | >> What about a cordless mouse. Are they poor
performers?
| > What
| > | >> about a Bluetooth connection - is that good. Is it
| > pricey.
| > | >>
| > | >> Are there any web sites which discuss this. Google
is
| > no help
| > | >> to me.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > Assuming both are cord-attached then is an optical
mouse
| > is
| > | > inherently better than a non-optical mouse?
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
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You might try a WACOM graphing tablet and pen for the CAD.
www.wacom.com


"BP" <Zpoweretal@110.neZt> wrote in message
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|
| "Dave C." <spammersdie@ahorribledeath.now> wrote in
message
| news:qsidnfEWSrvxrerdRVn-sw@comcast.com...
| > > >
| > > >
| > > >Assuming both are cord-attached then is an optical
mouse is
| > > >inherently better than a non-optical mouse?
| > >
| > > ...like INFINITELY better. 😵
| > >
| >
| > Way over-simplified. It depends on how you use it. If
you are only
| running
| > office apps. on a desktop computer and have a decent
(non-reflective)
| mouse
| > pad, then it's hard to beat an optical mouse. For a
notebook, you want a
| > mechanical mouse (the kind with a mouse ball). That's
because optical
| mice
| > don't work too well on many surfaces you will find in
motel rooms, and
| it's
| > inconvenient to have to carry a mouse pad with a
notebook computer. Also,
| > optical mice (all brands) get a bit jumpy on quick
movement. If you are a
| > gamer, you might want to stick with the ball. -Dave
| >
| Definitely depends on how you're going to use it. I find
that because the
| mouse is so light the tension from the cord will actually
make it spring
| back when you let go. This is a problem when doing CAD
work. I'm going to
| try a mouse pad to see if that will give some more
friction, but I think it
| is a function of weight vs. tension. Otherwise I like the
ease of use and
| smoothness. A good reason to go wireless and optical, I
guess. But I don't
| like the idea of batteries.
| Wireless Ones: What happens when they (batteries) get low?
Do you get a
| warning of some sort, or do funky thing start happening?
|
|
 
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On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 19:52:18 -0500, "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote:

>You might try a WACOM graphing tablet and pen for the CAD.
>www.wacom.com

Yeah, I was about to say, doing CAD work with anything other than a graphics tablet is just...not
much fun.

--

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On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:31:16 -0500, "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote:

>Optical mice work great on my blue jeans or my bare leg.
>
>Haven't tried my gut.
>
Works fine on my stomach.... might be the hair giving it texture tho...

>
>"Dave C." <spammersdie@ahorribledeath.now> wrote in message
>news:qsidnfEWSrvxrerdRVn-sw@comcast.com...
>| > >
>| > >
>| > >Assuming both are cord-attached then is an optical
>mouse is
>| > >inherently better than a non-optical mouse?
>| >
>| > ...like INFINITELY better. 😵
>| >
>|
>| Way over-simplified. It depends on how you use it. If
>you are only running
>| office apps. on a desktop computer and have a decent
>(non-reflective) mouse
>| pad, then it's hard to beat an optical mouse. For a
>notebook, you want a
>| mechanical mouse (the kind with a mouse ball). That's
>because optical mice
>| don't work too well on many surfaces you will find in
>motel rooms, and it's
>| inconvenient to have to carry a mouse pad with a notebook
>computer. Also,
>| optical mice (all brands) get a bit jumpy on quick
>movement. If you are a
>| gamer, you might want to stick with the ball. -Dave
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A real computer geek would have the hair removed and get a
tattoo over an 6x6 area for the mouse laser to track.
{🙂



"Overlord" <kurt_SPAMLESS@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:31:16 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
<p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote:
|
| >Optical mice work great on my blue jeans or my bare leg.
| >
| >Haven't tried my gut.
| >
| Works fine on my stomach.... might be the hair giving it
texture tho...
|
| >
| >"Dave C." <spammersdie@ahorribledeath.now> wrote in
message
| >news:qsidnfEWSrvxrerdRVn-sw@comcast.com...
| >| > >
| >| > >
| >| > >Assuming both are cord-attached then is an optical
| >mouse is
| >| > >inherently better than a non-optical mouse?
| >| >
| >| > ...like INFINITELY better. 😵
| >| >
| >|
| >| Way over-simplified. It depends on how you use it. If
| >you are only running
| >| office apps. on a desktop computer and have a decent
| >(non-reflective) mouse
| >| pad, then it's hard to beat an optical mouse. For a
| >notebook, you want a
| >| mechanical mouse (the kind with a mouse ball). That's
| >because optical mice
| >| don't work too well on many surfaces you will find in
| >motel rooms, and it's
| >| inconvenient to have to carry a mouse pad with a
notebook
| >computer. Also,
| >| optical mice (all brands) get a bit jumpy on quick
| >movement. If you are a
| >| gamer, you might want to stick with the ball. -Dave
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Depends to some extent on your desk. I used to play several hours
of UT at a time smoking cigs occasionally. Of course if I was chasing
someone or had my crosshairs on someone on a roof across town,
I wasn't paying too much attention to the cigarette. Got rid of a nice
Boomslang Razor with programmable buttons I could save key sequences
to that would work in the game(!) because it seemed I was always cleaning
the internals on the mouse. Now I use a Logitech optical mouse.
Very smooth, can't program keystrokes to the buttons but I'm also
not getting killed because I can't move.

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 23:02:38 +0100, Piotr Makley <pmakley@mail.com> wrote:

>"E2E t-bot BT" <English-to-English.translator.bot@Babel.Fish>
>wrote:
>
>> I am still using a corded mouse (logitech wheelmouse).
>>
>> I would like to get a better mouse which has at least as good
>> precision, responsiveness, accuracy, etc.
>>
>> Would an optical mouse be better on all counts?
>>
>> What about a cordless mouse. Are they poor performers? What
>> about a Bluetooth connection - is that good. Is it pricey.
>>
>> Are there any web sites which discuss this. Google is no help
>> to me.
>
>
>Assuming both are cord-attached then is an optical mouse is
>inherently better than a non-optical mouse?

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"Dave C." <spammersdie@ahorribledeath.now> wrote in message
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>
> Way over-simplified. It depends on how you use it. If you are only
running
> office apps. on a desktop computer and have a decent (non-reflective)
mouse
> pad, then it's hard to beat an optical mouse. For a notebook, you want a
> mechanical mouse (the kind with a mouse ball).
>That's because optical mice
> don't work too well on many surfaces you will find in motel rooms, and
it's
> inconvenient to have to carry a mouse pad with a notebook computer.

I disagree. there are a number of paper thin mousepads out there
specifically designed for Optical mice and quite nicely fit in between the
laptop screen and keyboard. However, anyone carrying a laptop will of course
have it in a laptop carrying case. A standard mouse mat let alone a paper
thin one will fit nicely in the side pocket.

>Also,
> optical mice (all brands) get a bit jumpy on quick movement. If you are a
> gamer, you might want to stick with the ball. -Dave
>


Again, I disagree. Aside from having normal hobbies and pursuits such as
climbing, abseiling and socialising, I am also an avid gamer and have tried
a number of mouse mats out. ALL gamers I know including myself ALL have
Optical mice and Paper thin or NO mouse mats.

My particular mouse mat is paper thin, made by a company called
Microthin.com and cost me $6 at Quakecon in Dallas last year. The Microthin
site seems to specialise in Advertising mouse pads.. don't ask.. mine is a
non advertising mouse mat. - called Microthin Headshot.

I won't use anything other than this. No jerky movements from my MS
Intellimouse Explorer 3 and smooth action all the time as the mouse mat is
teflon covered.
 
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"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" <user@#notme.com> wrote in
message news:#GD7VHoHEHA.4088@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> The big difference is that an optical mouse has no roller ball, hence it
> doesn't require a mouse pad, can be used on virtually any solid surface
> and there are no maintenance problems such as grime clogging the roller
> ball thus requiring it to periodically be cleaned.

Instead - particularly if you have pets - you occasionally get a hair in
front of the sensor, with much the same result.

Alex
 
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Hmm, good point.

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"Alex Fraser" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" <user@#notme.com> wrote in
> message news:#GD7VHoHEHA.4088@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> The big difference is that an optical mouse has no roller ball, hence it
>> doesn't require a mouse pad, can be used on virtually any solid surface
>> and there are no maintenance problems such as grime clogging the roller
>> ball thus requiring it to periodically be cleaned.
>
> Instead - particularly if you have pets - you occasionally get a hair in
> front of the sensor, with much the same result.
>
> Alex
>
>
 
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Cats and dogs belong outside or at least in another room
from the computers.


"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)"
<user@#notme.com> wrote in message
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| Hmm, good point.
|
| --
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| Windows Shell/User
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|
| "Alex Fraser" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
| news:c57e9m$2prukp$1@ID-149533.news.uni-berlin.de...
| > "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)"
<user@#notme.com> wrote in
| > message news:#GD7VHoHEHA.4088@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| >> The big difference is that an optical mouse has no
roller ball, hence it
| >> doesn't require a mouse pad, can be used on virtually
any solid surface
| >> and there are no maintenance problems such as grime
clogging the roller
| >> ball thus requiring it to periodically be cleaned.
| >
| > Instead - particularly if you have pets - you
occasionally get a hair in
| > front of the sensor, with much the same result.
| >
| > Alex
| >
| >
|
|
 
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Well, that's good in theory!

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"Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote in message
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> Cats and dogs belong outside or at least in another room
> from the computers.
>
>
> "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)"
> <user@#notme.com> wrote in message
> news:uT33pUpHEHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> | Hmm, good point.
> |
> | --
> | Michael Solomon MS-MVP
> | Windows Shell/User
> | Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
> | DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
> |
> | "Alex Fraser" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> | news:c57e9m$2prukp$1@ID-149533.news.uni-berlin.de...
> | > "Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)"
> <user@#notme.com> wrote in
> | > message news:#GD7VHoHEHA.4088@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> | >> The big difference is that an optical mouse has no
> roller ball, hence it
> | >> doesn't require a mouse pad, can be used on virtually
> any solid surface
> | >> and there are no maintenance problems such as grime
> clogging the roller
> | >> ball thus requiring it to periodically be cleaned.
> | >
> | > Instead - particularly if you have pets - you
> occasionally get a hair in
> | > front of the sensor, with much the same result.
> | >
> | > Alex
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>
 
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"Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote in message
news:e4hyecoHEHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> I would prefer optical with a USB wire. I might have a
> wireless as a second device.
>
> I al;so like trackballs. The trackball does need to be
> cleaned because dust, lint and even dead skin cells do get
> in the ball socket.

AFAIK most dust found where people are /is/ dead skin cells :).

> A standard optical mouse is self-cleaning since the base is flat.

Neither of the two I have used - an Microsoft one and a Logitech one - have
a flat base.

> They work on any surface except polished metal and mirrors.

Anything really shiny seems to cause problems. I had a mouse mat where the
textured surface had been worn smooth(!), and it didn't quite work perfectly
on that.

Alex
 
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Maybe I should have said solid, without holes, instead of
flat.
The skin does rub off the fingers and seems to collect in
the gaps.

"Alex Fraser" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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| "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote
in message
| news:e4hyecoHEHA.3356@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
| > I would prefer optical with a USB wire. I might have
a
| > wireless as a second device.
| >
| > I al;so like trackballs. The trackball does need to be
| > cleaned because dust, lint and even dead skin cells do
get
| > in the ball socket.
|
| AFAIK most dust found where people are /is/ dead skin
cells :).
|
| > A standard optical mouse is self-cleaning since the base
is flat.
|
| Neither of the two I have used - an Microsoft one and a
Logitech one - have
| a flat base.
|
| > They work on any surface except polished metal and
mirrors.
|
| Anything really shiny seems to cause problems. I had a
mouse mat where the
| textured surface had been worn smooth(!), and it didn't
quite work perfectly
| on that.
|
| Alex
|
|
 
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I can't decide between a vanilla moire pattern or a giant fractal!
I'm testing the algorithms now...

On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 19:35:28 -0500, "Jim Macklin" <p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote:

>A real computer geek would have the hair removed and get a
>tattoo over an 6x6 area for the mouse laser to track.
>{🙂
>
>"Overlord" <kurt_SPAMLESS@hotmail.com> wrote in message

>| On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 18:31:16 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
><p51mustang[threeX12]@xxxhotmail.calm> wrote:
>|
>| >Optical mice work great on my blue jeans or my bare leg.
>| >
>| >Haven't tried my gut.
>| >
>| Works fine on my stomach.... might be the hair giving it
>texture tho...
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