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If you take combat damage from two sources, who decides which one
deals damage first?

This became relevant when a "prevent the next one damage you would
take" ability was used, both attackers were 1 power, and both had
a triggered effect tied to their dealing damage. We needed to be
able to determine which ability triggered.

 

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Ophidian wrote:

> If you take combat damage from two sources, who decides which one
> deals damage first?

Other than the fact first strike happens first, it all happens
simultaneously; there is no "first".
>
> This became relevant when a "prevent the next one damage you would
> take" ability was used,

No, it doesn't. It all happens at once, so the person receiving
the damage gets to determine what gets prevented.

> both attackers were 1 power, and both had
> a triggered effect tied to their dealing damage. We needed to be
> able to determine which ability triggered.

The person receiving the damage gets to determine which damage
is prevented. Obviously, the triggered effect for the damage
he *doesn't* prevent happens. It's his choice.

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Christopher Mattern

"Which one you figure tracked us?"
"The ugly one, sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"

 

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Qetu wrote:

> Ophidian wrote:
>> If you take combat damage from two sources, who decides which one
>> deals damage first?
>>
>> This became relevant when a "prevent the next one damage you would
>> take" ability was used, both attackers were 1 power, and both had
>> a triggered effect tied to their dealing damage. We needed to be
>> able to determine which ability triggered.
>
> Combat damage resolves simultaneously. In that case, the controller of
> the prevention shield can choose the source of damage prevented.

Wrong! I see the mistake a lot. The choice of what damage
to prevent goes *not* to the controller of the shield but to
the player receiving the damage (or if it's a creature, the
controller of the creature receiving the damage).
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Christopher Mattern

"Which one you figure tracked us?"
"The ugly one, sir."
"...Could you be more specific?"

 

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Ophidian <oNpEhMiOdian23@cox.net> sent:
> If you take combat damage from two sources, who decides which one
> deals damage first?

If there's no first strike or double strike involved, then combat
damage is dealt simultaneously, from blockers to attackers, attackers
to blockers, and attackers to the defending player. All at the same
time.

If there's at least one creature with first strike, then handle
damage from creatures with first strike in on simultaneous lump,
then do another combat damage step for any surviving creatures
that didn't already get to deal combat damage.

If there's any creature with double-strike, do that in a first-strike
lump along with any first-strikers, but the creature will also deal
damage in the second combat damage step.

> This became relevant when a "prevent the next one damage you would
> take" ability was used, both attackers were 1 power, and both had
> a triggered effect tied to their dealing damage. We needed to be
> able to determine which ability triggered.

This is a prevention shield on a player, so that player decides
which damage to use it on if there's more than one thing it could
apply to. Pick one, the shield is used up on that one damage, and
then there's nothing left to replace the other damage, so it goes
ahead unchanged. Note that this only works because the damage is
simultaneous, you can't skip applying a prevention or replacement
shield unless it's actually phrased as being optional.

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-- zoe

 

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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 01:33:59 -0500, Ophidian <oNpEhMiOdian23@cox.net> wrote:
>If you take combat damage from two sources, who decides which one
>deals damage first?

Er, unless double strike or first strike is involved, NONE of them "deal
damage first". Combat damage is all dealt at the same time. However, it looks
like you might not be asking the right question...

>This became relevant when a "prevent the next one damage you would
>take" ability was used, both attackers were 1 power, and both had
>a triggered effect tied to their dealing damage. We needed to be
>able to determine which ability triggered.

Okay, this is not the question you actually asked. What you wanted to ask was
"who decides which damage point gets prevented or redirected, if there's a
prevention or replacement shield that will affect this simultaneous damage?".
The answer for that one is "the player being damaged, or the player controlling
the creature being damaged". If the damage is coming from the attackers, it's
almost always being dealt to either defending player, or his creatures, so
that's the same player in either case.

Short answer: it looks like, if nothing ELSE odd was going on, the defending
player decides which of the 2 points of damage being dealt got prevented by
the "prevent the next 1 damage that would be dealt to you / a creature you
control" shield. And by deciding that, would decide in passing which ability
triggered - the one on the creature whose damage was NOT prevented.

It has nothing to do with who controls the source of the damage - it has to
do with where the damage is getting dealt, or trying to get dealt, essentially.

Dave
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