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I think the real concern here is being able to make a functional (albeit only for a few shots) weapon that you could get through a metal detector. Think of terrorists and assassin type's that only need a few shots to accomplish their goal (like take over a plane?). Most of the bad guys get caught because they are flagged while trying to acquire weapons or materials. As this technology because more prevalent, and materials improve, then there is a very serious risk of people of avoid various types of checkpoints and screenings and do some very bad things in the world.
I think the real concern here is being able to make a functional (albeit only for a few shots) weapon that you could get through a metal detector. Think of terrorists and assassin type's that only need a few shots to accomplish their goal (like take over a plane?). Most of the bad guys get caught because they are flagged while trying to acquire weapons or materials. As this technology because more prevalent, and materials improve, then there is a very serious risk of people of avoid various types of checkpoints and screenings and do some very bad things in the world.
[citation][nom]Stryter[/nom]Your prejudice against ARs seems to be unjustified. The AR platform today, is very reliable and arguably the most versatile weapon platform in the world. The AK-47 and its variants may be the most reliable but its accuracy is terrible at long distances and it is not nearly as easy or natural to operate as the AR platform. I love a good AK too, but if I had to choose between one of them when my life was depending on it, I would choose the AR-15 without a doubt. Btw, I'm currently serving so I've been able to fire plenty of both.[/citation]
Yeah, completely unjustified. I would have to agree with you concerning the M16A2, but the M4 always feels like a toy to me. I've never gotten my hands on a true Russian made AK, but at shorter ranges (note shorter), my MAK 90 always feels more natural. Not saying I'm bad with the M4- I can still qualify just fine and shot expert last time- but it just feels funny after running a few rounds through an AK style weapon.
Yeah, completely unjustified. I would have to agree with you concerning the M16A2, but the M4 always feels like a toy to me. I've never gotten my hands on a true Russian made AK, but at shorter ranges (note shorter), my MAK 90 always feels more natural. Not saying I'm bad with the M4- I can still qualify just fine and shot expert last time- but it just feels funny after running a few rounds through an AK style weapon.
Stryter:
"Your prejudice against ARs seems to be unjustified. The AR platform today, is very reliable and arguably the most versatile weapon platform in the world. The AK-47 and its variants may be the most reliable but its accuracy is terrible at long distances and it is not nearly as easy or natural to operate as the AR platform. I love a good AK too, but if I had to choose between one of them when my life was depending on it, I would choose the AR-15 without a doubt. Btw, I'm currently serving so I've been able to fire plenty of both."
Well to each his own, but I own a colt 20" M-16 (AR) and a WASR-10. I honestly prefer the clumsy, wood/steel construction of the cheap AK. The AR's innards tend to stick when it gets hot and it just feels... cheap. I pull the AK out from under the bed, dust covered in all, slap some wheel bearing grease in there, and she's ready to rock and roll. The AR, not so much, gotta keep it nice and clean, always. I was actually thinking of taking it all apart and lightly sanding the bolt and receiver a bit. What a POS.
Also, yes, I'm going to pull it out of my hat. Ask any Vietnam vet how they felt about the M-16. Sorry, had to throw it out there. Now that we're off topic...
Oh, and, as far as accuracy goes, that's up to the shooter, not the firearm (usually). Any and all weapons need to be sighted in and have a steady shooter behind the trigger. The M-16/AR, contrary to popular belief, is not accurate out-of-the-box. It's just as poor a shot as any other weapon that's not sighted in. The whole "the AK is not accurate" myth, is just that, a myth.
"Your prejudice against ARs seems to be unjustified. The AR platform today, is very reliable and arguably the most versatile weapon platform in the world. The AK-47 and its variants may be the most reliable but its accuracy is terrible at long distances and it is not nearly as easy or natural to operate as the AR platform. I love a good AK too, but if I had to choose between one of them when my life was depending on it, I would choose the AR-15 without a doubt. Btw, I'm currently serving so I've been able to fire plenty of both."
Well to each his own, but I own a colt 20" M-16 (AR) and a WASR-10. I honestly prefer the clumsy, wood/steel construction of the cheap AK. The AR's innards tend to stick when it gets hot and it just feels... cheap. I pull the AK out from under the bed, dust covered in all, slap some wheel bearing grease in there, and she's ready to rock and roll. The AR, not so much, gotta keep it nice and clean, always. I was actually thinking of taking it all apart and lightly sanding the bolt and receiver a bit. What a POS.
Also, yes, I'm going to pull it out of my hat. Ask any Vietnam vet how they felt about the M-16. Sorry, had to throw it out there. Now that we're off topic...
Oh, and, as far as accuracy goes, that's up to the shooter, not the firearm (usually). Any and all weapons need to be sighted in and have a steady shooter behind the trigger. The M-16/AR, contrary to popular belief, is not accurate out-of-the-box. It's just as poor a shot as any other weapon that's not sighted in. The whole "the AK is not accurate" myth, is just that, a myth.
3d printers can print in ceramic and metal.
CNC machines have been able to do this for many many years as well. They could mill a gun from an internet file, easily. They could mill it out of plastic or ceramic or whatever you want. Youd just have to assemble it.
3D printers have come a long way recently, and they can build things that you cant build any other way. Id really hate to see them get screwed over by fear before they really got off the ground.
CNC machines have been able to do this for many many years as well. They could mill a gun from an internet file, easily. They could mill it out of plastic or ceramic or whatever you want. Youd just have to assemble it.
3D printers have come a long way recently, and they can build things that you cant build any other way. Id really hate to see them get screwed over by fear before they really got off the ground.
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Existing Receivers and other parts are designed to made of metal, and when printed on a 3D printer are not strong enough. At some point, someone will redesign the receiver, so that it will be strong enough, and still be compatible with other off the shelf, uncontrolled parts, maybe not all from the same firearm, so that it can be assembled into a working, and more reliable firearm.
If I were going to try to design a stronger receiver, I would work on something where you could print a few layers, insert a piece of sheet metal, that was cut to some shape, but that did not have to be precision cut, print a few more layers, insert another piece of metal and so on. I would also print holes in the plastic that went through from side to side that bolts or screws could go through.
I'm not sure how expensive lasers powerful enough to use in laser cutters are, but if you mounted one on the X Y platform of a 3D printer, you could use it to precision cut pieces of sheet metal to use in the receiver. Then you could spot-weld them into a laminated stack that would be quite strong.
Someone will do it.
If I were going to try to design a stronger receiver, I would work on something where you could print a few layers, insert a piece of sheet metal, that was cut to some shape, but that did not have to be precision cut, print a few more layers, insert another piece of metal and so on. I would also print holes in the plastic that went through from side to side that bolts or screws could go through.
I'm not sure how expensive lasers powerful enough to use in laser cutters are, but if you mounted one on the X Y platform of a 3D printer, you could use it to precision cut pieces of sheet metal to use in the receiver. Then you could spot-weld them into a laminated stack that would be quite strong.
Someone will do it.
Theres a whole other story here - you are legally allowed to from an 80% complete lower reciever you can buy off the internet build an unserialized rifle for personal use - so this myth that this would allow for a unserialized and therefor criminal weapon is absurd.
I can legally buy the real thing in any state. When a 3d printer is capable of making a complete weapon with a home
I can legally buy the real thing in any state. When a 3d printer is capable of making a complete weapon with a home
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[citation][nom]CaedenV[/nom]As cool as the Star Trek replicator idea is, this is the big deal that would have to be overcome. How do you regulate safety on a device where you could potentially make anything? You could make a scooter that will fall apart and kill you on the street. And forget about guns, how hard would it be to make a bomb with a 3D printer? It would be really really easy, and you could pack it in just about any type of housing.Will most people do this type of thing? Absolutely not. Cost of entry is too high, and the quality of the output is too low. But as things get better, it will be a bigger issue.[/citation]
Just proves the fallacy behind the new push for gun laws. The concept of protecting people from people is a utopian concept. Bad people do bad things. The more you attempt to control the actions of law-abiding citizens in an attempt to protect them from themselves, the more you will incentivize illegal behavior. Outlaw booze, bootleggers flourish. Outlaw drugs, drug traffickers flourish (illegal drugs are more available, more potent, and available in greater quantities) than they were before the war on drugs.
All that really happens is that the liberty and freedom of the law-abiding citizen is lessened; the criminal will continue to do what he has always done.
Oh yeah, and if some idiot wants to print himself a scooter and kill himself, as long as he doesn't kill someone else, let him. It's what freedom is all about. What business is it of yours if he does?
Just proves the fallacy behind the new push for gun laws. The concept of protecting people from people is a utopian concept. Bad people do bad things. The more you attempt to control the actions of law-abiding citizens in an attempt to protect them from themselves, the more you will incentivize illegal behavior. Outlaw booze, bootleggers flourish. Outlaw drugs, drug traffickers flourish (illegal drugs are more available, more potent, and available in greater quantities) than they were before the war on drugs.
All that really happens is that the liberty and freedom of the law-abiding citizen is lessened; the criminal will continue to do what he has always done.
Oh yeah, and if some idiot wants to print himself a scooter and kill himself, as long as he doesn't kill someone else, let him. It's what freedom is all about. What business is it of yours if he does?
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