PC build 900euros/1,200$/750pounds - help needed - beginner

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Hi,

I have been playing games a lot recently and was looking to invest my money in a good/worth the price custom built pc as it seems to be better doing and funner. Also this means the possibility of customization and removal of certain parts in the future. I am not very experienced in this sector and require assistance and suggestions. I have about 900euro/ $1,200/750pounds to spend. I do not mind whether it slightly exceeds my money limit, I am looking for the best build I can get with that money NOT including any monitors/peripherals .etc. I have looked at PCPartPicker and do not have much of a clue where to start, I've looked at videos and have the general idea of what I need - I would prefer Nvidia over ASD. Whatever suggestions and must haves will be a great help! I am not sure what the average price for each component should be and how to balance everything out. Not to forget, I do little work, only microsoft word .etc. I will also be watching bluray films, at the moment I have a DVD drive to use and plan to buy a bluray drive in the future, I don't mind whether it is included in the overall build for the moment. At the moment I play Rust, DayZ, Metro, Bioshock, Borderlands, Skyrim and a whole list of similar games quite similar. I will also be looking to keeping this for 2 years or more and be playing games such Titanfall and possibly other mainstream games.
 
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if you can stretch the budget a little bit, i'd go with this build:

it has an i5 processor (one of the best for gaming), a 780(also one of the best for gaming), the corsair case, a highly rated psu, an ssd for your operating system and programs and your favorite games, and a hard disc drive for everything else. where i am it comes into $1250, which is a little more than you wanted

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3fQnw

i can probably make it a little less expensive if you want, without sacrificing much gaming performance
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yea, i looked at the kraken g10 and the vrm temps while gaming at ultra, 1440p werent bad at all. so that is a valid option. you'll probably want an h100i to go with the g10.

the hard part is controlling all the fans. i forget what you went with so you can connect all the fans, if you can put the link up or describe it thatd be great.

for the pump, youd want that at 100%, so thatd connect to the psu. the vrm fan on the g10 should be connected to the gpu through an adapter so you can control the fan speed through msi afterburner. the rest of the fans would connect through a fan splitter on the mobo or psu i guess.
 
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Oh and for my fans I currently have a 4pin female going from the motherboard splitting into 2x4pin males and 1x3pin female. I have the 230mm and 1x120mm connected to that to the motherboard and then the other 1x120mm connected to the psu.
 
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for the h100i, i dont think they can be. for a custom loop it would be cool to get green tubes for the color theme. i think to make the h100i tubes green youd have to spray paint or electrical tape them.

for the g10, what you do is take the cooler of your card (we have to check and make sure its compatible too). then your left with just the pcb part itself. you take off the backplate and put on the g10's backplate. from there you remove the thermal past on the gpu, put the bracket on, and then the waterblock from the h100i fits into the g10 somehow. the fan is put on the g10 as well then you plug everything in and then you have a water cooled gpu
 
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Yeah spray painting the tubes sounds like a good option I suppose. I think this is definitely the best option for me as it is much cheaper than doing custom water cooling etc. I'll look at my money situation and see whether I can buy the H100i and g10 but I think I will need it as I am moving to a country which is very hot and need to keep an eye on temps..
 
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that sounds fun :)

and yes, those temps gotta stay down. once you get the g10 and h100i, the worst that can happen is your processor temps skyrocket (which i doubt). if that happens, you can just grab a small aftermarket cooler or another water cooler aio like the h55 or h60.
 
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Sounds great! Also should I worry about the temps of the vrm's ? As the review you sent me says the vrm temps get very high but that is on extreme stress...I'm not sure but if using the g10 works fine with gaming and such and if I don't have to worry about the temps of the vrm's then sounds awesome, this solution for cooling my gpu is preferable over a whole block cooler which is wayyy more expensive 😛
 
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gaming wise, peoples vrm temps are fine. i read on a overclockers.net forum someone posted a picture of their vrms while gaming at ultra settings at 1440p, the were around 50 or 60 degrees celcius. so you will be fine. if worse comes to worse you buy a better cooling fan (you shouldnt need one at all, the nzxt one is great)
 
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Perfect! I was just playing around with my core clock of my gpu and putting it under a stress test in MSI kombustor and I boosted it from 941MHz to 1100MHz and after about 10minutes my gpu was at a steady 88/89 degrees and I thought maybe that would be too much so I returned it to 941MHz for the moment.
 
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thats a pretty good jump. usually once i hit an instable part i drop the clock down 3 or so steps for perfectly stable performance. you can probably leave it at 950 or 975 right now and see if it boosts your fps at all
 
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JSHOOP!!! I was just watching a video on the corsair H100i and I luckily realised something T_T The block is square and as far as I understand and quickly read the block will not fit in the nzxt g10 circular hole for the water cooler blocks which are also circular such as the nzxt x40 etc...I looked up the specs on the website and here are the compatible water coolers:

NZXT : Kraken X60, Kraken X40
Corsair : H105, H110, H90, H75, H55 , H50
Antec : KUHLER H2O 920V4, KUHLER H2O 620V4, KUHLER H2O 920, KUHLER H2O 620
Thermaltake : Water 3.0 Extreme, Water 3.0 Pro, Water 3.0 Performer, Water 2.0 Extreme, Water 2.0 Pro, Water 2.0 Performer
Zalman : LQ-320, LQ-315, LQ-310
 
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.......... oops.

nice save though, i assumed after looking at all the corsair coolers the h100i was in there.

heres an h105, its a little more then the h100i

http://www.amazon.it/Corsair-Cooling-Hydro-Series-Watercooling/dp/B00HKEI3EY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403400930&sr=8-1&keywords=h105

i think thermaltake has a 240mm radiator for less, im not sure off the top of my head. the nzxt ones are 140mm and 280mm, i dont think 140mm will fit at the top of your case.

EDIT: the thermaltake one is more expensive on amazon.it. i also looked and 140mm is not recommended for a gpu, so the h105 is the best option.
 
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I've seen people use 140mm rads for a gpu in videos but I guess a 240mm would be better. Where did you see a 140mm is not recommended?
 
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http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/19076-watercooling-a-gtx-780/

at the bottom of the chart, it tells what sized radiators you should use. this is also on the reference 780, which has a lower tdp then the asus 780

"140*140*60 radiator at high fan speeds. This would be cutting it fine and you would need high fan speeds."

it would be close, but if you want to overclock i feel like it wouldn't work out well. a 240mm would allow you to run lower fan speeds, (less noise), and have more cooling power for overclocks.
 
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Ah ok perfect! Yeah once I install the closed water cooling to my gpu I bet I can overclock it a ton and the temps should be great but the only worry would be the vrm's if they would heat up too much after a lot of overclocking...
 
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actually, i think your right. after looking around some more, i see many people cooling their gpus with the g10 and smaller, 120mm radiators. i think that guide was taking into account a full gpu waterblock and the pump's heat. i think you'll be fine with an h90, which is 140mm. this person has 2 h75 on 780tis and is overclocking, so an h90 should be fine. his case is bigger and has more airflow but your temps should be taken down alot.

http://pcpartpicker.com/b/yRsJ7P

this is an h90, less then the h105 by a bit:

http://www.amazon.it/Corsair-CW-9060013-WW-Series-Sistema-Raffreddamento/dp/B00B4OCWDE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1403456842&sr=8-1&keywords=h90
 
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uh - oh. i have some bad news. after seeing the pcpartpicker he said it would take 3 slots for the g10, and after some more digging i found out it wouldnt fit in the prodigy.

this person emailed nzxt and they said it wont fit...

http://linustechtips.com/main/topic/106196-bitfenix-prodigy-and-kraken-g10/
 
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yes, the g10 would be too large.

imagine an atx sized computer. your gpu in it will take up 2 expansion slots on the case and cover 2 pci slots on the motherboard. with the g10, the gpu still takes up 2 slots on the case. but the shroud itself where the fan is on the g10 will stick out, covering another slot below the gpu pcb.

look at this picture: http://cdn.overclock.net/6/64/500x1000px-LL-649d406a_DSC09237.jpeg

the g10 bracket curves down and is bigger then the original gpu cooler.

how this relates to you: the prodigy has 2 slots for a gpu. also, it has room between the side panel and gpu for air to move there. The g10 would stick out too far, causing you not to be able to put the side panel on.
 
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your temps are fine where they are right now, and you shouldnt need to overclock. the problem with the side panel being off is dust, which isnt good for cooling.

If your looking for games to run at 60fps all the time without overclocking, try turning down some settings that dont effect much, like anti-aliasing.

also, try setting your gpu fan speeds at 100 when the temps hit 80 (using afterburner) to see if that helps at all
 
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Yeah the 60fps and above is lready running well it's just it would be cool to overclock and water cool my gpu as I am moving somewhere very hot to live. I'm looking at some videos and images of the g10 bracket and honestly I can see that thing fitting in my case, I will try removing the gpu current air cooling system and pull out a measuring tape. The only problem I see the bracket preventing the side panel from closing is the part where 'NZXT' is written. All that seems to me is a design for full tower cases where the top of the gpu is facing out and you will be able to read nzxt...so I think there would a way I could go DIY and remove either that piece of shave it down abit with an electric sandpaper machine to it would work and tubing can be done to not stick out hitting the panel. That's my thoughts to make this work let me know :)
 
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I just found some stuff out.. This person has a bitfenix prodigy and manged to mount the g10 and I asked for photos: http://pcpartpicker.com/b/fb7Pxr
And here on their website (NZXT): http://www.nzxt.com/product/detail/138-kraken-g10-gpu-bracket.html
there is an option 'check compatibility' and I typed in Bitfenix Prodigy and selected 'BitFenix Prodigy (Black) Mini ITX Tower Case' and it says yes it is compatible... So I can try order it along with a recommended closed water cooler and if it does not work get it returned with a very good reason that on their website they stated it is compatible!
 
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maybe they edited the design or something? i dont know. however, if nzxt says it fits, it will fit. and if not sue them for a lot of money :)

just kidding, but also if it doesnt fit by a few millimeters you can sand it down a little, maybe put some green paint on it?

anyway, id say go for it now. your protected if it doesnt fit
 
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