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That is where you are wrong. All parts on that build are store bought with 2 to 3 year warranties. Extended warranties can be added for a price still lower than what Apple will allow, because it doesn't fit there profit margin. Oh and by the way, I have a technet Professional Subscription from Microsoft.
 

You ever buy a house in San Francisco?


I do not build my systems with resale in mind. My home network has 3 technically obsolete Core2 systems (Q9550, Q6600, and E7500: gaming, torrent and multimedia, and home office workhorse, respectively). Because I am about 2 years behind on my gaming, the OC'd Q9550 is still fast enough. When I do upgrade, the systems get pushed downward and the E7500 goes into my business office. That computer will be given free to a good home.

That reminds me of two questions on jsc's Geek Test (apologies to Jeff Foxworthy):
"If you have more computers in the house than people, ... you might be a geek."
"If you have a home network, and you live alone ..."


:) Oh, you are just sooo old.
Why, I remember back in the not so good old days, you actually had to build (instead of just assemble) your computers. I like today better. Much better.
 
Mom have a bff who moves to Vancouver because SF is too expensive to live. So I imagine it would be tough to live in SF with $10.25. Where I am, house is cheaper and pay is higher and it is near impossible to own a house if you are earning minimum wage.
 


Like trying to get a cheap apartment in NYC for less than $1000 a month as if you could find 1.
 
San Francisco is an overpriced city. i use to live there about 30 years ago. Vancover BC again overpriced but well worth it. I lived there for over 6 months. Nice people,fresh air and clean. Not filthy like S.F. or L. A. or N. Y.
 



You must be a pc junkie if you can say that a macbook is just as proned to viruses as the pc. That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. Because of the volume of pc's being used and the average pc user is not as knowledged in the computer field there are well over 20 times more viruses created to attack you pc before any one will attack or attempt to on any of my three macs. Get some real survey results before you start giving advice. TS Certified iPhone Tech and Apple repair
 
As a developer, I have had to work on both sides of the fence. They all have their pros and cons. But overall, I have found the experience of developing on Apple hardware very nice when compared to the other workstations out there.

1) Buy workstation-level hardware. The Mac Pro is a workstation with workstation-level hardware, and it is priced accordingly. If you go out and buy Dell, Lenovo or HP (using the same level of hardware), you will find that they charge just as much, or even more, than Apple does.

And I'm not talking about going out there and parting your own system together with whatever commodity parts you can cobble together off NewEgg. Xeon cores, ECC DIMMS, etc. All backed with a 24-hour-fix-or-replace warranty.

2) I've built many PCs in my time. I've installed just about every Posix distro and version of Windows out there until my eyes have bled. I've also fixed computers for friends and family over the years. But I crossed that line years ago. Instead, if someone asks me what to buy, and I know they don't have the knocks to hack their own system, I will point them to Apple since I know for a fact that they have their game together for every kind of user. This includes my sweet Grandma, who lives 5 states away. I don't want to have to field a support call from her, so the last time I was there, I bought her a brand new MacBook, taped all the important number to call to the bottom of the computer and even had her call the Apple support line for a minor issue while I was there just to find out how attentive and friendly the people are. She would probably get the same support at Dell, HP or Lenovo, but she already has an iPhone and iPad, so I decided not to break the triumvirate.

3) You get what you pay for. In the end, it all comes down to this. If you go cheap and build your own system, then you end up being your own support, or you post here on Tom's praying that someone can answer your question so you don't have to drag your dead box into the local computer store. You can also buy some big box integrator like Dell, HP, Lenovo or Apple and let them deal with the details while all you have to be concerned with is whether it starts up or not. In my past experience, I have had nothing but success with the Apples in my life. I've had HP servers that have died on the second day, were fixed, and then died again a week later. I've had Dell laptops that were nothing better than paperweights by the time the warranty contract ran out. And then I've had Apple laptops that have survived four batteries and are still running after 7 years of use and abuse (what I tend to call my wife's treatment of my old MacBook Pro Core Duo I bought circa February 2005). I have offered to replace it time and time again, but she grips on to it so tight her knuckles turn white.

It's what you find the best experience, I'd say.
 

Kinda makes you wonder why the OS X Forum exists, and why so many people post queries, and find answers, on it.
 
Excellent response back to this narrow minded computer user.I never had a virus with Macs at all.
 


Yup, with proper web surfing and good instincts, even PC user can't get a virus.
 
Ooooh you have the same motherboard that I do!

But yes, I haven't needed to deal with viruses on my own computer for at least 7 years.

If you don't watch unsavory nudity or illegally pirate materials.

These days most vulnerabilities come from Flash, Acrobat and Office. I only use Flash.
 
With using Windows there are viruses you can obtain I had them and that is why I switched to Mac
 




Mac fans can be fans but to set their and say its because windows is so unsafe is dumb. I never had a virus that was so bad a virus program(which is 100% free) can't get off. I don't even get virus's anymore i have Microsoft security essentials +7. I also always get the latest updates through Microsoft.


To me i like building my own PC's And i like to game on a PC. Both of these reasons including the lame "Apple tax" is why i Hate apple computers. I also think their Ipad and Iphone are overpriced hardware and you have to use Itunes(the worst software of all time) and you can't do as much with a iphone/ipad as you can with Android.


 

Why the hate? News flash! if you don't like Apple products, you don't have to buy them!

People pay the "Apple Tax" because they want a computer that they can log in, get their work or fun done, and log out, and not have to worry about whether or not it's going to work. That's why Apple also has an extensive amount of customer support, both physically in their Apple Stores and online and over the phone. Not every user out there is savvy enough to rock a command line, fsck-y, etc.

I'm thinking of my 90-year-old grandma here who logs in to download pictures from her great-grandchildren. She doesn't want to learn a whole new language. She just wants pictures. So I bought her an Apple because if my four-year-old can figure it out, I guess she can too. And she has really surprised me. Last time I visited, she was keeping up with a couple of her old college friends on facebook and was using an application she found online to organize her recipes and share them with her friends and family. If she has a problem, she has the AppleCare number taped to the screen of her iMac. They've helped her numerous times now, and I have only been called once when she couldn't remember her password to her email account that I has set up for her.

Another News Flash! Most mobile carriers in the US lock their phones down tighter than Apple does the iPhone. Yes, you can root the phone and reinstall Android, but most people don't. And you can always just jailbreak an iPhone and get just as much freedom as you do with a rooted Android phone.

I'm not limited in any way by my choice to buy Apple products, but that's mostly because I buy all kinds of kit, not just Apple. But for my work, I keep as much of that on the Mac Pro under my desk as possible, and on Linux and Windows servers that I keep co-located at my clients' locations. Any other boxes that I have around the house are purely for play.
 
People pay the "Apple Tax" because they want a computer that they can log in, get their work or fun done, and log out, and not have to worry about whether or not it's going to work. That's why Apple also has an extensive amount of customer support, both physically in their Apple Stores and online and over the phone. Not every user out there is savvy enough to rock a command line, fsck-y, etc.

This is actually quite funny. W7 never messed up on me to the point that i had to do anything major And when windows did mess up(xp) i sure never had to use a command line. Also what type of fun can you have on a apple machine that you can't have on a windows machine. Not to mention windows is a superior OS when it comes to gaming.

I'm thinking of my 90-year-old grandma here who logs in to download pictures from her great-grandchildren. She doesn't want to learn a whole new language. She just wants pictures. So I bought her an Apple because if my four-year-old can figure it out, I guess she can too.

My friends dad can't even fix his tv when he changes the channel from 3 to 4 on dish, But he still can run windows 7 fine. Not to mention both my dad and my mom can run 7 just fine. Saying that i think 1000$+ on a computer is kinda a waste for them since they only use it for email/web/netflix/youtube. For 1000$ you can build a 2500K machine with a 6970 and have some real fun on a PC.


Another News Flash! Most mobile carriers in the US lock their phones down tighter than Apple does the iPhone. Yes, you can root the phone and reinstall Android, but most people don't. And you can always just jailbreak an iPhone and get just as much freedom as you do with a rooted Android phone.

Load of crap i had a Iphone and i couldn't do lots of things on it(no N64/nes/snes emulator not to mention apple barley supports any file formats hell they wont even let me download a southpark app and what's up with flash player and apple?), Also what cell phone carriers lock everything down like apple does, my brother had sprint/version/at&t, all of which let us do pretty much anything on are android. And your telling me that the average person knows how to jailbreak a iphone, Funny i can do more on my android with out jail breaking it.


But to me i find apple products to be overpriced for what you get, many will disagree and that's fine, Like i said before i like building my own machines with any hardware i want and i like playing games on my machine. I also like my android since i have vlc player on it and it supports any file format and i don't have to use any crappy software to put videos/music on it. With android it acts like a flash drive so it makes it real easy to install apps on it and such. Also if you have a iphone can you tell me if you can finely install updated software on it without itunes. Oh yeah and i find the ipad to be a bigger iphone.
 



If you have more money than common sense then by all means buy an Apple product. I wouldn't advise bringing your Apple problems to this board though. As you see, there aren't a lot of Apple fanboys here.
 
Everone has an opinion in life.
 





You know, it really all depends on a few things: how used to Windows you are, how much cash you have, and whether or not you want an overly simple OS.
I've been a Microsoft guy my whole life. Just an average end user, by no means a power user. I love Microsoft, and the machines that come with Microsoft on them are pretty darn good, honestly. Especially with Windows 7. So yes, even despite the fact that I'm typing this on a Mac and the fan boyish name I post under, at heart I'm a Microsoft guy, and I have no problem admitting that if I HAD to pick one or the other forever, I'd probably go Microsoft. But thats not because Apple products are inferior in my opinion, just a matter of being used to Windows and growing up using it.
I've actually only gotten into Apple products in the last year or so, but I have all the average stuff: iPod, ipad2, and an iMac(yes I've paid quite a bit to bite into the Apple), and I can honestly say I'm really impressed. The products all work as advertised, and for the most part I don't feel like I've wasted my money in any way. You pay a lot for form factor and brand name with Apple. People do this with a lot of things though. They buy BMW's when they could buy perfectly good Fords, or buy Rolex watches when a Timex does the same thing. You just have to decide if spending the extra cash is worth it. I say if you have the money, and you're curious enough, it will be money well spent. But if you're tight on funds, save some cash and go with Windows. You can build a much more beastly machine for the money you would spend on an Apple laptop or desktop. Thats just the truth. Like I said, you pay a lot for brand name and form factor with Apple, and all that extra cash could go to give you a gnarly machine. I don't need a gnarly machine, and I didn't mind paying for looks and style.
Since I'm only barely new to OS X Lion I can only comment on what I know about the OS, which isn't much. The most notable thing right away is that OS X is really simple and straight forward. It was weird, cause when I first booted up the Apple and start looking around the OS, I actually thought that I was missing something. Like there had to be some deeper level, and perhaps there is, but from what I can see OS X is intended for people that aren't computer savvy, and don't want to be. With Windows everyone learns to troubleshoot each new OS just a bit, just to be able to get by. I've been using my iMac everyday for about 4 months now, and I haven't had a single hiccup. In contrast with my Windows 7 laptop, within the first month I had lockups that forced me to either End the programs or Restart the machine all together. That sucks on a new machine. Could just be my luck at that time, who knows? But there is no doubt that OS X is about three to four times more simple and straightforward than any Windows OS I've used. For some people that could be a real issue. The more simple things are, the more things are done for you, and a lot of guys want to have total control of their machines. You don't really get that with OS X in my opinion. I don't need it though. Especially cause I already have two other Windows machines that I tinker with all the time. The whole purpose for me owning this Mac was to have a simple, fun machine that I liked to use. It definitely delivers in that regard, but seems child like in comparison to Windows OS's. You have to decide whether or not you want that.
As far as the switch in OS and the way you do things, it really isn't that bad. A little bit of common sense takes you along way on OS X, so if you're already used to running Windows you'll find that most things are similar, they're just labeled differently and placed in different areas on the desktop. You can right click on the Magic Mouse, the same way you would on any PC, but you have to set that option in the System Preferences. You can run Word, but I hear it sucks. In fact, if you're in need of a really kick but word processing machine, I'd avoid Apple. There is an app called Pages that is ok, but honestly, Word and the whole Office suite really out does it by a long shot. For me, Pages gets the job done, but I find myself missing Office because I'me so used to it, and because its so darn good. You won't find that type of awesome word processing on OS X. Also, doing things like resizing pictures and some of the stuff you take for granted on your PC is going to be really different on an Apple simply because you use differently labeled tools to do it.
All in all, I'm happy with my iMac, and with being able to having everything super integrated and streamlined. It makes managing all of my crap much easier, and fun, honestly. That alone was worth the price of entry for me, but isn't for a lot of people. I'm really into Windows, but honestly my new Mac has made using a computer really fun again, even if its just goofing off on here. If that seems cool to you too, go buy an Apple. You will be paying for things that aren't performance related, and you will have to get used to some different things. Don't expect the Apple machine to do anything that your PC wouldn't, except be extremely fun and easier to use. It also helps if you have an iPod, iPhone, or an iPad because you can really link everything up nice and easy.
 

 


Now that's funny. I don't use my computer as a status symbol... I use it to do the things I want / need to do... and I really don't need to spend the extra money on a Mac just because it looks pretty. There is no practical use for me to spend the money; it would just be a waste. There's being cheap and then there's being practical... I'm definitely the latter. Hell, I just bought a new HP laptop with a 15.6" screen, 750GB hard drive, 6GB of RAM, AMD quad-core processor and dual graphics... all for the tidy sum of $799.00. Build me a MacBook with the same specs and let me know what it costs. So Marv, you feel secure that you don't appear cheap with that nice status symbol on your desk and I'll enjoy the $700 I saved elsewhere.
 
HP is for the pits the company has poor customer service and their quality control is not very well either.The company is going down hill fast.
 


As to you. Not to him.
 
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