PC vs. Mac...The end all discussion

[cmi86]

So I have been noticing this sudden up rising in apple products and the ignorance of their users and I just cant keep my mouth shut anymore. (feel free to do that same, thats why I started this thread : ) All i hear and see everywhere I go is massive amounts of marketing on behalf of Apple stating that macs are for Hip/trendy socialites and PC's are for Lame, acne ridden Anti-Social losers along with the product image that macs are vastly superior machines. All though this couldn't be any farther from the actual truth of it I still have had many conversations with the A-Typical mac user and they always go the same way. Full of statements like "they just work" or "macs dont crash" or even the infamous "macs dont get virus's" all of which are statements that have been directly adopted from the elitest womb of the apple marketing campaign and none of which can ever provide any factual basis to actually back up their claims. So all I can think to do is break it down as black and white as I possibly can and ask for all opinions ( mac users please only comment if you have something to say that actually has factual basis and I havnt heard it a million times before or isnt a direct quote from a mac commercial.thanks)

1-COST. For this segment I will compare a top end custom built PC Vs. a Mac of equal specs from the official Apple website.

Mac Pro
CPU-3.33Ghz 6 Core Intel Xeon (haha i still laugh about macs using intel CPU's, well i guess they never really made their own anyways (Power PC was made by IBM)
RAM-12GB of DDR3 ECC SDRAM
HDD- 2TB
GPU- 2X Radeon 5770

Sorry for the lack of info, the great overlord Steve Jobs doesn't really disclose alot about the hardware he uses...(go figure)

Total $6071.00

Custom Built
MOBO-EVGA Classified SR-2 270-WS-W555-A2 LGA 1366 Intel 5520 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 (mac does not offer either sata 6GB/s or USB 3.0, this board has both)
CPU-3.33Ghz 6 Core Intel Xeon
RAM-12 GB (4X3) Corsair Dominator DDR3 2000 (PC 16000) (much better performing/higher quality than the conventional 1600Mhz ddr3 used in the mac system)
GPU- 2X MSI R5770 Hawk Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CFX (better quality and HDMI, which mac refuses to support)
HDD- Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
PSU- ABS Majesty series MJ1100-M Continuous 1100W@50°C ATX12V/EPS12V 80 PLUS GOLD Certified, Single 12V Rail (much better quality and higher output than mac)
AUD- ASUS Xonar Essence STX Virtual 7.1 Channels PCI Express x1 Interface 124 dB SNR / Headphone( much higher performance and quality than integrated mac sound)
BLU-LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner - Bulk SATA WH10LS30 LightScribe Support (another mainstream technology apple refuses to acknowledge and does not offer)
CDR-ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner
CASE-Corsair Obsidian Series 800D CC800DW Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case (just as aesthetic as the mac case, if not more)
OS-Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Full

Total $4,182.87
Price difference $1,888.13

I think this is simple enough for even the most ignorant mac user to realize that the custom build is comprised of higher quality/better performing components while offering many very use-full mainstream technologies that Apple refuses to acknowledge even exist( marketing, they want you to buy their own proprietary dead end technologies) while somehow still managing to offer a $1,888.13 savings over the under performing mac pro. The extra must be for the shiny case and social status.

2-OPERATING SYSTEM.
*I'll give it to the mac that that their OS (not even totally theirs, based off UNIX) is very good looking and simple to use but this is also part of the problem as the mac OS is designed towards the computer illiterate and is actually quite limiting and very pointlessly laid out to anybody who has half a clue as to how to actually run windows.( no right click, goofy dock that doesnt differentiate between running programs and icons, programs dont actually close when i press x, no real full screen, drag and drop doesn't actually copy files just creates shortcuts and buckets full of other stupid little quirks that annoy the hell out of me)

* It's better?? I think not, this pre conception comes from the masses of brainless mac users who hopped on OSX with a hand full off retard proof built in software and managed to make a movie, not necessarily better just easier ( in the opinion of the mac user easier = better)

*Compatibility...HA, good luck interfacing with anything that doesn't have an " i " in front of the name. This is part of apples marketing scheme aswell, yes they will eventually do what you want (most of the time) but only if you buy the i-this and i-that from the apple store (which will cost twice as much, starting to see the trend??)

*Crashing. The difference between a pc based on Windows crashing and a Mac is that on the pc the crash is in 99% of the cases caused by badly coded third party software, when the Mac just has a faulty operating system. Why else would Apple themselves run their india website on Linux RedHat?
There is another fun part about crashes on the mac, it's almost always impossible to trace the source of the crash. When your mac crashes you simply reinstall the system. Sounds like a fun thing to do in your spare time, well buy a Mac then!

*Charging for service packs. Rediculous especially when you consider what the differences are between one and the other (not much)

3-Virus's. This one is very simple, macs do get virus's just not as many as PC's because there are not as many macs as PC's. If you were a virus writer why would you write code for a machine no one has ?? If anything mac's are actually more subceptible to virus's due to the fact mac openly advertises the fact you do not need anti-virus software and actually does little to nothing as far as built in securities... they even ship with their firewall turned off!!!!

4-Upgrading and customizing. Non Existent, with a mac what you buy is what you get. Yeah you can upgrade(slightly) but the prices are so astronomical that you might as well just get a new machine.

5-Software. The amount of software titles for mac platform are very limited and generally cost alot more than their windows based counterparts. Yes macs can now run windows in boot camp which allows macs to run windows software but isn't installing your most hated badly talked about competitors software kind-of like admitting defeat ??

6- Repair. Yes applecare is great, I wont argue with that. How ever after your 1 (or 3 years if you paid the extra $400) is up you are S.O.L. $1,100 to replace a burnt out GPU...yeah not for me.

7-Gaming. Yeah it's the number 1 talked about reason although it may not be the most important to some people which is why I put it last. All the same mac's have a major game deficiency. There are next to no major labels directly for the mac platform, yes you can run windows games in boot camp. Still whats even mac about running windows games in windows on the X86/X64 hardware mac's stole from the PC world because they couldn't hack it with their own hardware. Again shiny cover, social status and astronomical price tag come to mind.

Well folks that really about all I have to say on this matter. If i missed anything please feel free to continue where I left off.

 

[trhimez]

SIMPLE THIS IS 2013

HACKINTOSH I LOVE OSX AND LOVE PC
So i chose to built a high perforce pc to run osx ? with out virtualization
So my osx is more powerfull than the 2k one they sell while i paid 800$ for more spec and i love apple display so i bought one and it looks like a mac but dual boots win 8 and osx ;p
so ppl stop tripping osx has it advantegs so does pc
yes i agree apple may boost their prices but their stock are at 600$ for a reason
for you car freaks out there check this
i can bulid a supra twinturbo stage 5 everything have 1000hp and put it to a bugati and see that the supra will beat the bugati and the difference is i paid 500k of mods rather than 1.5 million for stock ? you fell me im 16 and i do this shit its easy its a risk but YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE and

by the way gigabyte+intel+nvida = recipie for hackintosh (im runing)
you CAN use AMD and any mobo company but the high compatibility are intel and nvida and gyagbite so check it out folks its an investment

SOLUTION SOLVED

 

[razminaz]

Its all about marketing. I have yet to run into a mac user that doesn't try to promote mac. I'm sorry you fell for their overpriced product. I have run PC without an antivirus on it for a year. And not run into a problem. (used as development web server) I now run the same PC as my everyday work horse.... with antivirus s/w. After being an avid computer user for years I guess you just get to know what not to "click" on. I back up a drive image so a re install is a snap if needed.
If you want a Mac go for it just don't go all preachy on my ass

 

[HammerTech]

I think she also said the virus thing, mac users piss the h*ll out of me

maybe cause your jealous, I've used macs and PC an equal amount and almost every time I go onto a PC it makes me want to hit it, cause it's so slow or there is some sort of problem. Plus apple (According to WALL STREET), is the most valuable brand on earth right now. PC companies just don't get what apple gets. I know that apple has been letting people down lately, but they're making a huge comeback.

 

[g-unit1111]

^+900 Can you have a sticky for an anti-Mac rant, hmmmmm....

I was talking to a girl at school yesterday

Girl: Do you use a mac?
Me: No, macs have compatibility issues, they don't play games and I prefer 7s interface.
Girl: Have you tried a mac?
Me: yes, I prefer a PC
Girl: macs don't crash
Me: (realizes girls ignorance, quickly sidesteps the conversation away from subject)

Hopefully the moderator isn't a macboy lol

My stance on Apple is this. There's some things that they get right where others do not. Video playback, especially at high resolutions, is definitely one of them. Being able to use tablets and small laptops on closed networks is another one. And yes even the all in one iMac is still better than most all in one PCs despite the high cost. Does that make me an Apple fanboy? No. Does that make me an Apple hater? No. I still own a couple of Apple products - my second generation iPad (which I will probably upgrade to the iPad Air), and the other is my iPod classic. The original iPod classic with 160GB of storage is still the best that you can get in that class of product and no manufacturer on earth has been able to top the original. The thing that I do not like is their ridiculous prices. They could charge about half of what they do for the Macbook Pro. It's mostly marketing markups that cause the high prices. My Lenovo cost about 1/3 of the asking price of the Macbook and I love this laptop.

 

[unplanned bacon]

Why must this thread continue to be revived?

because that's how we roll. 😛

Spoiler

probably going to get in trouble with the mods for this. sorry, had to do it

 

[JimF_35]

I have always looked at computers falling into three major camps; open and powerful, closed and user friendly and in between. I have consider Apple as a company (iPod, iPad, iPhone and Machintosh) as being in the closed camp. The fact that most of their device use unibody speaks to this. I have considered Linux and PC systems to be open and Windows on PCs to be in between. You chose the camp you want to be in. That being said OS X systems run on a Linux kernel but I doubt any Mach users are constantly recompiling their Kernel or running their systems at run level 1. 😛