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A similar system would have gotten around 10k 3D-Marks with an AGP 9100, but you can see that you get at least DECENT gaming with the 9100, so I say go for it.
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BTW, wasn't I the one who recommended the 9100 PCI? And you found out it's your best option, correct? So how does that make me a moron?
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>>You think you're going to find a TI4200 or better PCI card? You think that would actually help, given the limits of PCI performance?
That's what makes you a moron. 🙂 Every time I turn around, someone is pissing my system for no good reason just because it doesn't have AGP. I'm sick of it. PCI isn't as good as AGP, but it's 100% incorrect to say that I am going to get crappy performance. I will get decent performance - some would say good performance, even though I have PCI. And yet, everyone was saying that my performance was going to be bad. So yes, you all are morons, and I certainly won't be coming back here for help.
That's what makes you a moron. 🙂 Every time I turn around, someone is pissing my system for no good reason just because it doesn't have AGP. I'm sick of it. PCI isn't as good as AGP, but it's 100% incorrect to say that I am going to get crappy performance. I will get decent performance - some would say good performance, even though I have PCI. And yet, everyone was saying that my performance was going to be bad. So yes, you all are morons, and I certainly won't be coming back here for help.
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Listen to yourself. If you have any inteligence you'll understand that what I've just said is correct, and that...you've been a moron. Pull the plank out of your own eye, you'll see better to remove the spec from someone elses.
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wrburns, YOU are being the moron now!
Crashman and I, who both recommended a 9100, are far from morons. And his statement made complete sense and was correct!
WOW! A 2.4 p4 and 9100 PCI beats a 3.0 and mx440 agp!??
BIG FREAKING NEWS!! DUH YOU IDIOT! THE MX440 SUCKS MAJOR ASS!! Thats what I told you, now you found out, and accuse us of being the morons.
MX440s are KEYCHAINS fool! I feed my 9800 PRO MX440 O's for breakfast!
You wouldnt listen, you didnt get it, then you think youve figured it all out, and now we're the morons. Pfft.
Noone was "pissing" your system, OR saying you would get crappy performance with only PCI! I said you would get crappy performance with a PCI MX440 or FX5200 idiot! Not a 9100, I don't consider that crappy
And it would make us all very happy if you did not come back.
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Crashman and I, who both recommended a 9100, are far from morons. And his statement made complete sense and was correct!
WOW! A 2.4 p4 and 9100 PCI beats a 3.0 and mx440 agp!??
BIG FREAKING NEWS!! DUH YOU IDIOT! THE MX440 SUCKS MAJOR ASS!! Thats what I told you, now you found out, and accuse us of being the morons.
MX440s are KEYCHAINS fool! I feed my 9800 PRO MX440 O's for breakfast!
You wouldnt listen, you didnt get it, then you think youve figured it all out, and now we're the morons. Pfft.
Noone was "pissing" your system, OR saying you would get crappy performance with only PCI! I said you would get crappy performance with a PCI MX440 or FX5200 idiot! Not a 9100, I don't consider that crappy
And it would make us all very happy if you did not come back.
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ur just freaking sad........there is a perfect reason why people piss at your system, because 1. Dells are crap 2. PCI video cards are crap. Also the only freaking reason u think u got good performance is because ur running old game on your sadtisic PCI video card. If u dont believe your performance is going to bad, try running 3dmarks 2k3, try running Unreal 2k3, if u dont get crappy performance in those games than u can come back to yap non stop at us. Your simply the moron here, why dont u leave and try to convince other morons that u can run unreal 2k3 smoothly on your 9100 PCI and calling people who actually know stuff moron. get a life.
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STFU and go suck your PCI card................
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Some of us tried to hlp you before, but you juswt don't get it.
The PCI slot will cripple any QUALITY cards, even compare the AGP vs PCI of the 9100. Is a PCI card better than onboard graphics, well it depends on which ONES but likely yes, but that's not a ringing endorsemen either. And soon even that will not be true, the R9100IGP and future NV solution (supporting DX9 in the Fx5200 style) will blow it out of the water. Just think of what happens if you slap and audigy card in that same rig, it probably KILLS the graphics because of the traffic along the PCI bus. Heaven forbide you should try to run hig res, or us a PCI network card.
Unlike what you say it's not GOOD performance, the only people who say that are proably running laptops with NEOmagic chips or are ALSO hampered with PCI-only machines, or are to cheap to upgrade from onboard graphics. There may be those fans out there but they are as misguided as those who would say the graphics on the original NES kick-ass NOW; forgetting that they are up against the GameCube, S-PS2 and Xbox!
Now I know what your situation is (heck I was there at one time years ago), however the reality is that the answers I gave you should come with a caveat, this is my suggestion for the BEST CARDS of a CRAPPY solution. If you are into gaming it's almost not worth the money, a cheap GF4ti and a good mobo would do a 'GAMER' better.
Now do YOU PERSONALLY need better performance than you'll get, probably not since you're not really aware of what you're missing anyways and don't consider yourself a 'gamer'. Will you be able to play the next generation games, MAYBE, but most likely NOT. Are you dead in te WATER? likely later, but for the next 6-9mths you'll be treading water while the DX9 titles circle you. That's the thing, you may never notice that it is indeed a poor solution, but you will likley have to play at much lower Res. and much lower FPS than someone with an equivalent card running through the AGP bus. Just think, there are people in this forum who have the R8500LE (similar to 9100), and have LESSER CPUs than the one you linked to. They are getting on avarage 4000+ more 3Dmk01 scores than that guy, an atleast we KNOW they are true scores at DEFAULT resolutions, and even THEIR setups will be the BARE minimum for some of these future titles. You will likely be happy (especially since you seem concerned about Linux, which isn't really a gaming platform [outside of a game server]) with the PCI solutions we recommended, hwever don't think that the system WON'T be subpar for most games (it'll barely meet minimum req. if that). IT's like not failing in school, but getting a D+ (or c- depending on the failing grade for your area), not something to chirp about though.
PCI cards still have their place and that's for ADDITIONAL (3rd & 4th) monitor support.
So seeing that we are 'ALL' morons it feels nice to know that you won't be back to remind us of that fact. You were arguing with people who have top of the line cads running overclocked, and who play games at hi res. with AA/AF on (something you will never do with PCI), there's no way you are going to sell PCI as NOT being Crappy to them. You should have quite while you were ahead.
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Simply put you have NO idea what you are talking about! The reality is that it IS CRAPPY performance. IS it better than YOU are used to? PRobably. However it's crappy performance. 3Dmk2001 isn't a GOOD benchmark for focusing on JUST the graphics card, and ONE test (especially one the owner didn't link to for proof) doesn't make a graphics card, heck we don't even know what resolution that 7000+ score was at and how much of it is attributable to the CPU setup (which greatly affect 3Dmk01). And comparing it to the GF4MX as a 'standard' is comparing different flavours of CRAP.
The PCI slot will cripple any QUALITY cards, even compare the AGP vs PCI of the 9100. Is a PCI card better than onboard graphics, well it depends on which ONES but likely yes, but that's not a ringing endorsemen either. And soon even that will not be true, the R9100IGP and future NV solution (supporting DX9 in the Fx5200 style) will blow it out of the water. Just think of what happens if you slap and audigy card in that same rig, it probably KILLS the graphics because of the traffic along the PCI bus. Heaven forbide you should try to run hig res, or us a PCI network card.
Unlike what you say it's not GOOD performance, the only people who say that are proably running laptops with NEOmagic chips or are ALSO hampered with PCI-only machines, or are to cheap to upgrade from onboard graphics. There may be those fans out there but they are as misguided as those who would say the graphics on the original NES kick-ass NOW; forgetting that they are up against the GameCube, S-PS2 and Xbox!
Now I know what your situation is (heck I was there at one time years ago), however the reality is that the answers I gave you should come with a caveat, this is my suggestion for the BEST CARDS of a CRAPPY solution. If you are into gaming it's almost not worth the money, a cheap GF4ti and a good mobo would do a 'GAMER' better.
Now do YOU PERSONALLY need better performance than you'll get, probably not since you're not really aware of what you're missing anyways and don't consider yourself a 'gamer'. Will you be able to play the next generation games, MAYBE, but most likely NOT. Are you dead in te WATER? likely later, but for the next 6-9mths you'll be treading water while the DX9 titles circle you. That's the thing, you may never notice that it is indeed a poor solution, but you will likley have to play at much lower Res. and much lower FPS than someone with an equivalent card running through the AGP bus. Just think, there are people in this forum who have the R8500LE (similar to 9100), and have LESSER CPUs than the one you linked to. They are getting on avarage 4000+ more 3Dmk01 scores than that guy, an atleast we KNOW they are true scores at DEFAULT resolutions, and even THEIR setups will be the BARE minimum for some of these future titles. You will likely be happy (especially since you seem concerned about Linux, which isn't really a gaming platform [outside of a game server]) with the PCI solutions we recommended, hwever don't think that the system WON'T be subpar for most games (it'll barely meet minimum req. if that). IT's like not failing in school, but getting a D+ (or c- depending on the failing grade for your area), not something to chirp about though.
PCI cards still have their place and that's for ADDITIONAL (3rd & 4th) monitor support.
So seeing that we are 'ALL' morons it feels nice to know that you won't be back to remind us of that fact. You were arguing with people who have top of the line cads running overclocked, and who play games at hi res. with AA/AF on (something you will never do with PCI), there's no way you are going to sell PCI as NOT being Crappy to them. You should have quite while you were ahead.
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Ditto Grape.
As for you Mr. Burns, I think it might be a good idea to be patient, save your money, and buy a new computer. <A HREF="http://ibuypower.com" target="_new">Try this website, iBuyPower.</A> They have a machine called the AMD Configurator. Spend about $450 and you'll have a machine with a nice(nicer than PCI) 4x AGP card (Radeon 9000 Pro). Plus you won't be locked in Dell's hellish proprietary circle. If you have a solid income of some type, this should be an attainable goal. Now I'm not calling you dumb for your lack of knowledge, nor am I going to tell you what to buy. It's your money. I don't know your financial situation. But that is my reccomendation.
These days, no matter what company you like, be it <b>nVidia, ATi, or whatever,</b> no matter how logical your reasons, you're labeled an <b>idiot</b> or a <b>fanboy</b>, or <b>both.</b>
As for you Mr. Burns, I think it might be a good idea to be patient, save your money, and buy a new computer. <A HREF="http://ibuypower.com" target="_new">Try this website, iBuyPower.</A> They have a machine called the AMD Configurator. Spend about $450 and you'll have a machine with a nice(nicer than PCI) 4x AGP card (Radeon 9000 Pro). Plus you won't be locked in Dell's hellish proprietary circle. If you have a solid income of some type, this should be an attainable goal. Now I'm not calling you dumb for your lack of knowledge, nor am I going to tell you what to buy. It's your money. I don't know your financial situation. But that is my reccomendation.
These days, no matter what company you like, be it <b>nVidia, ATi, or whatever,</b> no matter how logical your reasons, you're labeled an <b>idiot</b> or a <b>fanboy</b>, or <b>both.</b>
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Everybody is just recommending what is best for you since you said you are an avid gamer. So nobody is pissing on your system, they are just trying to help you avoid future mistakes. Those 3Dmark scores are sad. I get more than that on my xp1700 and my 8500dv(i think the core clock is 230/250). And trust me, don't say you can play the latest greatest games. I play Raven Shield on my system at 1024x786 and it lags sometimes. So don't get mad at everybody else trying to help you out. You'll be playing the latest games at the lowest settings if you use a PCI card.
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Participating in this thread would have gotten me banned for sure
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Lol @ GW, and good point in the end Grape! Hes arguing with some of the 1337est mofos around (me! and u guys...) about quality and speed, and 3dmark 2001 scores (i get over 18,000 buddy), and what is crap and what isn't! He can play UT2k3 at 800x600 medium to low detail, and if thats good for him, then THATS GOOD FOR HIM!
Meanwhile, I'll play at 1024x768 max detail, 6xAA + 16x Quality aniso (thankyou Cat./Omega 3.6!) and see what I was meant to see.
I seriously couldnt play at 800x600 no AA and medium to low quality settings... I mean, I COULD, but seriously I wouldn't do as well. (And GW knows I own at ut2k3!!!)
Anyone up for some ut2k3 I'm game
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Meanwhile, I'll play at 1024x768 max detail, 6xAA + 16x Quality aniso (thankyou Cat./Omega 3.6!) and see what I was meant to see.
I seriously couldnt play at 800x600 no AA and medium to low quality settings... I mean, I COULD, but seriously I wouldn't do as well. (And GW knows I own at ut2k3!!!)
Anyone up for some ut2k3 I'm game
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Well, I am *not* an avid gamer. If I said that, then I must have had a brain-cramp and forgotten to put the "not" in there. 🙂
Well, I am going to live with my Dell for another 18 months, until the warranty expires. When the warranty expires, I'll just buy a new case, mobo, processor, video card, and RAM, and save my optical drives and HD. For now, I just want decent performance in 3D. A 3DMark score of 7000 is plenty for me - I certainly wouldn't call it crappy.
Well, I am going to live with my Dell for another 18 months, until the warranty expires. When the warranty expires, I'll just buy a new case, mobo, processor, video card, and RAM, and save my optical drives and HD. For now, I just want decent performance in 3D. A 3DMark score of 7000 is plenty for me - I certainly wouldn't call it crappy.
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LOL grape it took me 3 sentences to get pissed off at this guy and it took u an essay lol.
And GW if u were in this war, u'd be banned so fast, u dont even know what hit u LOL
and ermmm what's 1337?
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And GW if u were in this war, u'd be banned so fast, u dont even know what hit u LOL
and ermmm what's 1337?
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1337 = leet = elite
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teh sux0rz = WillametteSucks PC
I <b>help</b> because <b>you</b> suck.
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WS will do stuff to u if he finds out what u said lol
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OH I FOUND OUT ALRIGHT!!!
In the worst way possible.. you guys were talking about me behind my back and i happened to overhear!!!
And yes there will be extreme consequences for GW!!! (Ah damn, I can't stay mad at him, hes got a hot daughter!)
Hey GW (and friends), keep an {EYE} [my ut2k3 clan] out for some pics I'll be posting in a few days.
Done a little detail work I think you might like it
(GW might hate it though, or start crying because of it, for reasons that will go unsaid at the moment)
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In the worst way possible.. you guys were talking about me behind my back and i happened to overhear!!!
And yes there will be extreme consequences for GW!!! (Ah damn, I can't stay mad at him, hes got a hot daughter!)
Hey GW (and friends), keep an {EYE} [my ut2k3 clan
] out for some pics I'll be posting in a few days.Done a little detail work
I think you might like it(GW might hate it though, or start crying because of it, for reasons that will go unsaid at the moment)
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LOL GW, too true! I'm not sure if the powers that be are still watching. IT's funny considering they said it wasn't going to be a one time thing, yet here we are about a month later, and not a peep since. Ahh the memories of the old days.
I hope to bring you out of your shell yet, you shrinking violet.
EDIT: BTW, I still think my PC is beter than yours. mine's Nuclear Powered! 😎 And watch out CooLS is gonna build something to kompete wit'. OR so he says.
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I hope to bring you out of your shell yet, you shrinking violet.
EDIT: BTW, I still think my PC is beter than yours. mine's Nuclear Powered! 😎 And watch out CooLS is gonna build something to kompete wit'. OR so he says.
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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by TheGreatGrapeApe on 07/28/03 03:44 AM.</EM></FONT></P>
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Just get a new Mobo + graphics card....wont work out that much more expensive. Then you can have whatever card takes your fancy.
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