PCIe card that is currently FOR Windows 10?

[Melissa2008B]

Preface: I'm an intermediate PC user and former electronics tech, circa 1967.

OK, this PC is getting a little long of tooth.

ASUS CG5270-BP004 MOTHERBOARD E4576_P5QL-VM EPU

I THINK I got it refurbed, around 2010. I was running Win 7 on it until I made the BIG mistake of doing the "free upgrade" to Windows 10. Since then, it's made my life HELL by changing the video drivers all the time, with each "update" so that they go into BSOD mode constantly, with unstable video. Then I have to run radeon-crimson-relive-17.3.3-minimalsetup-170321_web to get things stable again. My video card is a Radeon HD 5670.

So from what I can tell, that card is plugged into a PCIe X16 slot ( whatever that means - it says there's an X1 and an X16 slot, in the PDF manual, which I have here )

And NO, there IS NO way of keeping Windows 10 from automatically updating that driver! I've searched for it, and NO. Apparently only certain versions allow that and this is NOT one of them.

So anyway, I'd spring for $30 for a new video card, IF it's PCIe and would be designed FOR Windows 10, so this problem would be solved, once and for all.

I also picked up a newer refurbed PC last SUMMER and planned on moving everything to it, BUT have been SO BUSY with my part time home based business since then that I haven't had time to do much of anything, except keeping this PC running so I can keep my business running.

I have tons of stuff on this PC - my whole computing life since 1994, including everything my little business needs, and I am NOT looking forward to the ordeal of moving things from this older ( now Windows 10 ) PC to the newer one, which I purposely bought with Win 8.1 to avoid the HELL I've been through since "upgrading" to 10!

I'm thinking that it could soak up 80 hours of my time, which I JUST don't have.

So YES, I've been in AVOIDANCE, while I have a perfectly nice newer refurb ( even has USB 3! Built in wifi...) sitting here in a box since last summer.

Anyway... are there video cards like this, around?

Thanks.

 

[Melissa2008B]

Ah, well I do have a GT730 and it is quite a nice card, although it's no faster than your HD5670. You'll still want to remove any traces of your old card's drivers right before you go install the new card, so check out those links.

And gigabit is Auto MDI-X so doesn't need a crossover cable, if both computers have gigabit ports.

I think the 730 has twice the RAM?

Hmm, ok. Well I think I have a 50' regular ethernet cable around, so I should be covered. Thanks!

 

[BFG-9000]

Auto MDI/MDIX is an optional feature of 1000BASE-T.

I can quote from Wikipedia too:

Newer routers, hubs and switches (including some 10/100, and all 1 gigabit or 10 gigabit devices in practice) use auto MDI-X

Funny things specs are, I haven't seen a gigabit port in the real world without Auto MDI-X since 2003, have you?

 

[Melissa2008B]

Oh, as far as removing traces, I also have the free version of CC Cleaner.

 

[Melissa2008B]

I've been all over that issue and it appears that there is no permanent driver fix for the 5670 and won't be. Windows keeps changing it, it does BSOD's, and I have to keep running that AMD latest update, to get it stable again. It's like that old movie, Groundhog Day.

As I said, the problem is you installed the wrong driver which is being updated over. You should not be using Crimson at all as driver support for your card was discontinued after the first Beta of it. Try the last WHQL Catalyst one like everyone has been telling you to all along, and it won't update ever again.

A new card will do absolutely nothing for you given that kind of usage.

Not sure what you mean.

You did not say you wanted to play new games, only that you want a card that works and will not keep updating drivers. You already have such a card.

I just posted about the GT 730, which has 4.5 stars in over 900 reviews on Amazon, and came out in 2014. Good choice?

As I said, only if you don't want to be able to use Hybrid Sleep. It also still gets new drivers every couple months.

I HAVE BEEN using that "Radeon Software Crimson Edition Beta", when Windows updates and I start getting BSOD's. It stops the BSOD situation until the next time.

That's not what you said in the original post. There you clearly stated you have been repeatedly installing the non-beta 17.3.3 over and over again. The release notes for that one as well as all of the other non-beta Crimson drivers do not claim to support any 5xxx card and in fact don't. Windows may actually be installing the correct driver which is BSODing because it isn't compatible with Crimson, only Catalyst Control Center.

By this point your driver situation is so screwed up that simply uninstalling from Control Panel's Programs and Features might only uninstall the first Crimson driver you installed + leave all the updates, so delete the display adapter from Device Manager and tick the box to also delete the software from this computer. Then before rebooting, uninstall Crimson and use AMD's helpful uninstaller utility amdcleanuputility.exe to eliminate any leftover traces. Disconnect from the internet and reboot, then install Catalyst 15.7.1 while not connected to the internet.

I try to avoid 3rd party utilities, but as a last resort Display Driver Uninstaller does seem to work well, and may save you the 80 hours of reinstalling you mentioned trying to avoid in the original post. You should also remove any trace of AMD's drivers before installing any other card.

Oh jeez. Rereading this, I just remembered that the original software was Catalyst! Ahhhh!

I'll see about this tomorrow... Thanks!

 

[Melissa2008B]

Was puzzled why the PC has been so slow. WRONG VIDEO DRIVER! <FACE PALM!> :-}

 

[BFG-9000]

Well you do have a couple days to try to get it working. If you manage to do it, Amazon is really good about returns!

Microsoft Basic Display Adapter is indeed, very slow. It's the fallback display driver that's used if you install the wrong driver--until WindowsUpdate, trying to be helpful, installs the right one. The problem was probably the right driver is incompatible with the wrong one.

CCleaner is great at removing programs and while I'm sure it would uninstall Crimson, you also want to remove all the driver files in the Windows folder so I'd suggest DDU instead as you are comfortable with 3rd party utilities.

 

[Melissa2008B]

By this point your driver situation is so screwed up that simply uninstalling from Control Panel's Programs and Features might only uninstall the first Crimson driver you installed + leave all the updates, so delete the display adapter from Device Manager and tick the box to also delete the software from this computer. Then before rebooting, uninstall Crimson and use AMD's helpful uninstaller utility amdcleanuputility.exe to eliminate any leftover traces. Disconnect from the internet and reboot, then install Catalyst 15.7.1 while not connected to the internet.

I try to avoid 3rd party utilities, but as a last resort Display Driver Uninstaller does seem to work well, and may save you the 80 hours of reinstalling you mentioned trying to avoid in the original post. You should also remove any trace of AMD's drivers before installing any other card.

BFG, you saved the day!

I started out this morning, seeing an error message that said that Raptr had a damaged file. ( something Crimson installed - Raptr Plays TV? ) Then it flashed the screen a bunch of times and rebooted! This happened about 10 times! Was making me bat crazy!

I EVEN tried booting into safe mode and it wouldn't work right! Finally got in.

I searched for that driver and found something that appeared to be even better. A forum where the guy had solved this by getting amd-catalyst-15.7.1-win10-64bit.exe He said that AMD had actually fixed the Windows 10 problems with that set! So I downloaded that and amdcleanuputility.exe

Then I uninstalled the driver. But you know what I found? There was the Crimson stuff AND the Catalyst stuff BOTH installed at the same time! O M G!!!

So I followed your directions above precisely, but that Raptr would still not uninstall. I had to go in by hand, into the folders, and delete the folders it was in, THEN I ran CC Cleaner several times, just to make sure.

Then ( I had pulled my USB wifi after downloading the above files ) after everything appeared clean, I installed that new amd-catalyst-15.7.1-win10-64bit.exe.

So far so good. Everything seems happy. Yay!

I cant thank you people enough! THANK YOU!

I'll let you know how it goes, but so far, I have full HD resolution and my PC is fast again ( DUH! LOL ).

 

[BFG-9000]

Yay! But, um, that is actually the very same driver VincentP linked to twice, and the 2nd time you told him it wasn't for your card. There's only a couple of Catalyst 15.7.1 drivers for it, and the other one wouldn't install because it's 32-bit. Oh well at least it's the right one!

Personally, I blame AMD for their dumb driver package that lets you install it when no compatible card is installed--I mean at least it should warn you. With nVidia it would refuse to install at all.

Even worse, the reason all of those special uninstallers exist is because if you had installed the GT730 before trying to uninstall Crimson/Catalyst, the regular uninstaller would just tell you there is no compatible card installed and exit. So it installs the driver without checking, but checks for the card and refuses to uninstall if it's not there! What kind of brain-dead thinking is that? What if someone's AMD card dies and needs to be replaced? Hmm, come and think of it that could be their way of making them buy another AMD card...

 

[Melissa2008B]

Yeah, apologies if I was confused and did the wrong things. I'm no computer expert.

 

[Melissa2008B]

I just started getting white screen unresponsive hangs, and black screen spontaneous reboots again. This PC is so messed up. I guess all I can try now, is that new video card, when it comes ( probably next week ) AND get the newer refurbed PC going ASAP.

Just checked this newer driver that was working well last night: 15.2.1062.1004 dated 8-3-2015.

 

[BFG-9000]

Sadly, sometimes there is just no fixing things completely without a full reinstall, but the new card isn't likely to interact with any residual AMD stuff so if it does the trick well enough, you may consider its price to be well worth avoiding the time that would take. The computer really only has to run stably long enough for you to copy everything to the new one! Then you could clean install Windows 7 back on it. Windows 10 is, after all, more suited for watching cat videos than doing actual work because like the phone or tablet it tries to emulate, it's better for consuming content than creating it.

It's likely Windows has corrupted files after all of the BSODs and reboots without cleanly shutting down, so you can scan for and fix many of those by opening an Administrative Command Prompt (right click the Start Button) and typing: sfc /SCANNOW then pressing enter. Then a regular chkdsk would be in order too: chkdsk C: /f /r /x

If you still have problems and didn't use DDU last time that may be worth a try as well because it actually reboots into Safe Mode to uninstall more leftover traces than is possible when everything is loaded and running.

 

[ahoj__]

I just started getting white screen unresponsive hangs, and black screen spontaneous reboots again. This PC is so messed up. I guess all I can try now, is that new video card, when it comes ( probably next week ) AND get the newer refurbed PC going ASAP.

Just checked this newer driver that was working well last night: 15.2.1062.1004 dated 8-3-2015.

no offense, but going for a refurbed pre-built PC is the biggest idiocy you could do - these mainboard (and ofcourse their BIOS) are utterly crap, especially combined with a licensed Windows product for them.
if you didnt already bought one of these, take the time and build your own.

 

[Melissa2008B]

Sadly, sometimes there is just no fixing things completely without a full reinstall, but the new card isn't likely to interact with any residual AMD stuff so if it does the trick well enough, you may consider its price to be well worth avoiding the time that would take. The computer really only has to run stably long enough for you to copy everything to the new one! Then you could clean install Windows 7 back on it. Windows 10 is, after all, more suited for watching cat videos than doing actual work because like the phone or tablet it tries to emulate, it's better for consuming content than creating it.

It's likely Windows has corrupted files after all of the BSODs and reboots without cleanly shutting down, so you can scan for and fix many of those by opening an Administrative Command Prompt (right click the Start Button) and typing: sfc /SCANNOW then pressing enter. Then a regular chkdsk would be in order too: chkdsk C: /f /r /x

If you still have problems and didn't use DDU last time that may be worth a try as well because it actually reboots into Safe Mode to uninstall more leftover traces than is possible when everything is loaded and running.

I just started getting white screen unresponsive hangs, and black screen spontaneous reboots again. This PC is so messed up. I guess all I can try now, is that new video card, when it comes ( probably next week ) AND get the newer refurbed PC going ASAP.

Just checked this newer driver that was working well last night: 15.2.1062.1004 dated 8-3-2015.

no offense, but going for a refurbed pre-built PC is the biggest idiocy you could do - these mainboard (and ofcourse their BIOS) are utterly crap, especially combined with a licensed Windows product for them.
if you didnt already bought one of these, take the time and build your own.

No offense? I stated at the top of this thread that I'm an intermediate user, and you think I should build my own?

 

[Melissa2008B]

It's been rebooting all day, or going into black screens, vertical striped screens, and the occasional blue screen with "thread stuck in device driver".

I couldnt even get it to boot in safe mode, with the F8 key - had to use the Shift and restart options. After that, I checked the AMD video driver and it now says 15.201.1151.1008 dated 11-4-15, which I THINK is a later driver than that one I installed last night, which was 15.2.1062.1004.

I tried updating the chipset again, being the last time was in January and I'm not sure what the video driver situation was at that time. But that doesnt seem to help now.

I guess I need to go get that displaydriveruninstaller, and try that now, but am not sure if Windows is automatically updating to a bad driver, on me. This is like PC hell.

 

[Melissa2008B]

Here's what I found: Groundhog Day is being caused by Windows 10. I cleaned everything up and installed the latest greatest Catalyst yesterday. It was working fine until today, with that 15.2.1062.1004 driver, dated 8-3-15. THEN this morning, it was back to rebooting over & over & over. I checked the driver amidst this and found 15.201.1151.1007 dated 11-4-15.

So the fricking Windows 10 system is causing Groundhog Day because it updates things WITHOUT PERMISSION and with this "free version" from last July, there's absolutely NO WAY to stop it ( I had help from another forum and TRIED! ).

It usually runs these updates around Thursday or Friday, or whenever it pleases, apparently. This is like the most destructive OS I've ever seen and I regret the day that I took them up on their "free" offer, last July, because it's cost me tons of hours dealing with this mess.

So yes, it appears that I have to eagerly await the new video card, which could stop this and give me PC peace again. And in the meantime, I have to keep messing with getting that correct driver back, every fricking time Microsoft updates it to the one that serial crashes!

 

[Melissa2008B]

OR, does anyone know how to block Windows 10 Home Edition from updating the video driver? I've searched Google and not found a way.