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http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37334

according to Fuad
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Complete and utter bull sh*t if i may say so myself.

Please elaborate!

I sure wouldn't want to thing that you're just an Intel marketing victim and buy everything they sell you ...

No word from any other source about Intel delaying Penryn. Considering it's coming from the Inq only i wouldn't believe it 😉 If it came from a more reputable hardware site (anand/digitimes) then i would be inclined to believe it, but as things are i don't.
 
One point to make here - Intel's roadmap has always indicated Penryn would come out in Q1'08....

There was (and still is) a lot of speculation that it would be pulled in to launch in Q3/4 07 (especially after working A0 silicon was shown!!)

Also - much of the information on the 2 fabs in the US beginning production in 2nd half 07 (and a 3rd in Q1'08) has been mis-interpreted as "product launch / release" in 07... just b/c a fab is running wafers doesn't mean the product is launching - remember, there's a ~2-3 month lead time there...

Quite honestly, this isn't news... it's just a bunch of mis-interpretations of what has been said in the past... Not to say I wouldn't like to see Penryn pulled in to Q3'07 or earlier :)
 
dewd i dig the sig,I am a string theory fan,as it effects the description of my views.crazy.

They are in no rush to do otherwise,they dont need to sweat amd for now.
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Yeah, but I'm not that patient. I don't care about sweating AMD or anything else. I'm buying a new system this summer and I want dual-quad Penryn 45nm high ks in it! I've been a bad boy. I deserve them! :lol:

Did you know that papers in string theory are published at a rate greater than the speed of light. This, however, is not problematic since no information is being transmitted. 😀
 
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37334

according to Fuad
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Complete and utter bull sh*t if i may say so myself.

Please elaborate!

I sure wouldn't want to thing that you're just an Intel marketing victim and buy everything they sell you ...

No word from any other source about Intel delaying Penryn. Considering it's coming from the Inq only i wouldn't believe it 😉 If it came from a more reputable hardware site (anand/digitimes) then i would be inclined to believe it, but as things are i don't.

http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20070131PD210.html
Digitimes is reporting it too... Fabtech is buying it

u seem real quick to believe INTELS word likes its gospel... you act like INTEL has never done this b4.
 
Are you kidding ??? that's "Mark Osborne" putting Intel capacity to deliver 45 nm in 2007 under a question mark.

That's worth more than 20 Intel press releases, 50 wall street annalist opinions or anything else that new sensation seeking marketing machine from Intel is feeding us.
Think about it! he's chief editor for the world most famous semiconductor industry press magazine. His opinion should weight more than anyone else's.
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I really hope you forgot the /sarcasm tags. Have you read the other entries in his blog? I bet he writes a lot of those AMDZONE forum posts. roflmao!!! He blog articles are mostly opinionated drivel that have the credibility of dodo bird crap. "Happy Birthday FAB 30" and "Intel won't tell me what runs the machines in their fab, wahhhhhhhh". For an editor in chief of a publication that is at "leading edge of IC fabrication technology coverage" he seems to more interested in Intel and AMD's balance sheet numbers than the technology.

Thank god the actual articles aren't full of his crap.
 
Yep, Fuad, the bastion of accuracy and precision --- the teller of all truth, the holy grail of knowledge:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32948
(K8L in Q1 of 07)


http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32885
(RHT Retraction, at least he got that right -- and wow AMD will only lose the performance crown for a whole quarter, great going Fuad)
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You are cherry picking inq's stories that have failed to support you affirmations. Inq isn't wrong ar right all the time, it just is a rumor based publication. Inq can equally be right or wrong about it's stories that's how Inq will always be.

The thing is that other more or less respectable sites have wrote about the same thing.
 
There are no delays to 45nm. Everything is moving ahead of schedule.
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Please backup that with at least some reasoning if not hard evidence!

He can't he works for Intel, he would get fired.
Well that's great [:)], that's exactly what Intel is also saying about .45nm.
But the fact is that usually from first tapeout to first shipped cpu there is a year in time.

Barcelona taped-out last year Q2.
If Penryn taped out now it should come out this time next year.

Also fabtech called Intel's announcement 'vaporware' so you can understand why I don't blindly trust Intel, and I'm thinking about the possibility it might be just pure marketing.
 
There are no delays to 45nm. Everything is moving ahead of schedule.
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Please backup that with at least some reasoning if not hard evidence!

He can't he works for Intel, he would get fired.
Well that's great [:)], that's exactly what Intel is also saying about .45nm.
But the fact is that usually from first tapeout to first shipped cpu there is a year in time.

Barcelona taped-out last year Q2.
If Penryn taped out now it should come out this time next year.

Also fabtech called Intel's announcement 'vaporware' so you can understand why I don't blindly trust Intel, and I'm thinking about the possibility it might be just pure marketing.

its funny how people here at times are quick to believe INTEL and Slow to believe AMD just because INTEL SHOULD BE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE with all the dollars they have ,,,,an
 
There are no delays to 45nm. Everything is moving ahead of schedule.
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Please backup that with at least some reasoning if not hard evidence!

He can't he works for Intel, he would get fired.

That's true.

Employees can't just come right out at a public forum or any other public place and state something. Look what happened to Pat Gelsinger when his internal blog of the google server thing went public.

I personally haven't seen the 45nm process in action, although I know of people who are working at fabs that are developing and testing the process. What it is? Beats me. I work at a totally different fab.

As for delays in Penryn and such. Okay. It was ahead of schedule, as I know, so unless it's delayed till 2H08, there is no delay to speak of.
 
Why are so many so blinded by AMD, as a dedicated customer of AMD you should be demanding better answers and better execution than what you have seen.
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I personally don't consider myself blinded by AMD just because I tend to look more into the past or the future and not only remember recent events.
I just don't give Intel as much credit as most people do. And I don't give Conroe more than 15% lead ... because the benchmarks have been cherry picked and not done to the extent I wish they were. I'm not saying that AMD is better or anything, just that I'm not satisfied ... but that doesn't make me blind.

I'm not an AMD customer, if I were an AMD customer I'd be using and AMD CPU which I'm not :). Well actually I am and AMD customer if I think about it, I have an ATI vid card.

Over the past year, we have every reason to assume as such.... in Spring 2006, IDF --- Intel stated Conroe would be avaliable and in volume in Q3
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Yes for Intel's size 6% of production in Q3 can be called volume. Don't want to dig up numbers but there were 4Mil CPU's to be released in Q3 if I remember corectly.

AMD -- well let's see, late on Socket F, tougted QFX superiority that flopped, Dec 5th demoed a computer no one could touch only running task manager, Dec 14th told a group of analysts everything was rosy, the future was bright then promptly borrowed 200 million, then warned, then disappointed even on the warning.... their track record for 2006 in terms of being forthright is not too stellar. They 'launched' 65 nm CPUs but you could not configure one at any system builder nor find any on any shelved until a week or so ago.
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AMD had worse times than that and still survived, on the other hand Intel hasn't recovered to 2005 level and it simply isn't bashed for that.
 
Tell me what bench marks you want and I will run them for you.
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Well I would really like to see a compilation of a large project using Visual Studio 2005 C++ using WPO (whole program optimization) with and background video compression and some archiving of a very large file (> 2 Gigs) like a database backup.

If it gets better that 10% performance clock 4 clock than AMD under 32 bit I will shut up forever about it, no actually I won't :) I will praise Intel for it. The point that I want to make sure that Conroe doesn't have an Achiles heel and it performs well under stress from multiple applications not just one, multithreaded or not. I think that I, for one, usualy put about 10x more pressure on a PC every day than does a average person in a week. (I don't mean games, I mean concurrent tasks)

Oh, and I definitely want to see some .Net or Java benchs (well maybe not Java but .Net, as .Net 3.0 is used for WPF in Vista)
 
You can compile the .Net itself :), SSCLI actually, wich the Microsoft shared source of .Net here it is ROTOR 2.0

Also you will also need a perl dist installed and VS 2005 installed. I recomend ActivePerl it installs easily and no config is required. All there is left to do is to open a command promp go to the root dir where you installed ROTOR and type env.bat. You should start building the .Net

[Edit:]
The commands should be :
env.bat
buildall.cmd
 
Huston we have a problem 😀
I'll try to find one as I have only P4's at home and at work and a Sempron wich is probably not good.
 
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

well since you can niether prove /and disprove them at the same time it makes sense. :lol: :lol:

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/x2-3600-Brisbane-hits-GHzftopic-220730-days0-orderasc-125.html

check out JGraw's staement on this page.
(Msg. 137) Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:17 am
Post subject: Re: x2 3600+ Brisbane hits 3.1 GHz [in reply to: Retrolock]

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I just had to register after reading this thread.

First off, You guys are complete morons. Forum posters need to verify their over clocking results because they're ****** forum posters. Professional sites die if they doctor photos, so they generally don't do it. I mean, for Pete's sake, Chris Tom wouldn't have invited you idiots to Tek Republic if he had faked the results!

I hope you all realize that THG and the forumz are the laughing stock of the internet. Every other tech community like Anandtech, Ars, and Tech Report consider you guys to be dumbasses. After seeing the complete and total stupidity and lack of maturity on these forums, I can't say I blame them.
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Interesting quote. No doubt anyone who makes a flame is indeed immature, by definition.

I like the quote though, because I haven't tried to find other forums, and perhaps there will be some interesting stuff to see.

Thanks.
 
Penryn was never delayed, some of the folks were hoping it was forwarded to Q4 2007. Only the Extreme versions will see the light before 2008, plans for the rest never changed.

Move along now. Old news.
 
Luckily it works with a good old socket 775 but you most definitely need a new chipset. The CPU generation will be known as Wolfdale 45 nanometre.
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Funny... Intel didn't seem to have any issues demoing that processor on a i975 chipset. Point is they're making shite up again. Intel hasn't confirmed whether or not Penryn will need a new chipset (at least, not to my knowledge). The only thing they said is they aren't guaranteeing Penryn will work with all existing motherboards.
 
Oddd... Penryn looks more ready than Barcelona does.....

Please show me a picture, screenshot, anything of barcelona running anything.....

Here is Penryn
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2087990,00.asp
Running a game, encoder/video editor, on a laptop on a desktop.....

Penryn appears healthy, Barcelona does not....
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That's odd... The last I checked, an operating system was a significant and complex program. And even as minimal as it may be, Task Manager is an application. So please stop this line of reasoning. :wink:
 
I have always said booting into an OS is a big deal, a major milestone --- but that is different than running software.... and the line of reasoning is sound... if Barcelona was in good shape, a DEMO would have done just that, shown software running....

Do overclockers booting into windows consider that 'stable', if all you do is boot into window??? Nahhhhhh.... run something then talk.
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An OS IS software. So IS Task Manager. There is NO difference.
 
Oddd... Penryn looks more ready than Barcelona does.....

Please show me a picture, screenshot, anything of barcelona running anything.....

Here is Penryn
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2087990,00.asp
Running a game, encoder/video editor, on a laptop on a desktop..... (besides task manager).

Penryn appears healthy, Barcelona does not....
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I bet you that Barcelona is healthy, but if anything, AMD doesn't want to show it off because they know it doesn't exceed the current Conroes performance wise. We knew nothing about Prescott until literally days before it was released(well, we didn't know how Prescott will be different from our imaginations). Alternatively, AMD released a lot of info about Athlon 64's superiority before its release.

As for Penryn, it might be healthy, but it is on a bleeding-edge process technology. They were able to pull Conroe because it was on a mature, known process, but its not true for Penryn. It'll be much harder to pull off both a new chip and a new process technology.
 
Prim95 though can bring a computer down.....

And could you post CPU temps of your computer running task manager. Laughable.
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Software that brings a computer down is STILL software. Do we need an official definition of software here?

Actually... yes... you could post CPU temps of running Task Manager. Does that make it not software?

CPU_temp != Software :wink:
 
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