Penryn Delayed to H1 '08

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I think Intel can either delay Penryn to Q1 08 or release sooner, depending on situation. For example, if Intel will find out Penryn is very competetive with Barcelona, they may release Penryn near AMD "big release date" just to steal their thunder and keep an advantage in server space (that is, if higher speed Clovertons wont do the trick). If Penryn lags behind, it makes perfect sense for Intel to postpone launch to add performance enhancements, and they have plenty of time to do it.

About Inquirer naysayers - I'm 99,999% sure they are closer to industry inside sources than you, the 0,001% part is if you are Otelini in disguise 😛 They are posting rumours as usual, and can be right or wrong, no question about it, but I find it funny when someone without any inside info negates info based on... personal prejudice :wink:

In conclusion, IMO Intel itself dont know 100% when exactly they will release Penryn, market situation will be deciding factor.
 
Makes me wonder if high k is coming to a penryn near you and not bieng introduced on nehalem.
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Just the thought of that made my knees buckle. A penryn with high k. Holy Hafnium, Batman!!!!

I want one! I want two! I want them NOW!!!!!!!

dewd i dig the sig,I am a string theory fan,as it effects the description of my views.crazy.

They are in no rush to do otherwise,they dont need to sweat amd for now.

I thought that string theory was old hat. Wasn't 10 dimensional string theory combined with 11 dimensional super-gravity theory to create 11 dimensional membrane theory?
 
I thought that string theory was old hat. Wasn't 10 dimensional string theory combined with 11 dimensional super-gravity theory to create 11 dimensional membrane theory?
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According to supersymmetric heterotic string theory, when we add quantum mechanics by making the string momentum and position obey quantum commutation relations, the oscillator mode coefficients wind up giving representations of the Poincaré group, through which quantum states of mass and spin are classified in a relativistic quantum field theory.

Besides, everyone knows that there is nothing past the 4th Dimension since Marilyn McCoo married Billy Davis Jr. and left the group!
 
I thought that string theory was old hat. Wasn't 10 dimensional string theory combined with 11 dimensional super-gravity theory to create 11 dimensional membrane theory?
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According to supersymmetric heterotic string theory, when we add quantum mechanics by making the string momentum and position obey quantum commutation relations, the oscillator mode coefficients wind up giving representations of the Poincaré group, through which quantum states of mass and spin are classified in a relativistic quantum field theory.

Besides, everyone knows that there is nothing past the 4th Dimension since Marilyn McCoo married Billy Davis Jr. and left the group!

A link to an M-theory article by Michio Kaku. Let me know what you think.

http://www.mkaku.org/article_mtheory.htm
 
A link to an M-theory article by Michio Kaku. Let me know what you think.
http://www.mkaku.org/article_mtheory.htm
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The basic problem with any theory which relies upon non-perturbative quantization is that, as Townsend says, “the whole notion of dimensionality is an approximate one that only emerges in some semiclassical context.” The four dimensions are wholly artificial mathematical constructs which cease to be useful when taken beyond basic coordinate mapping. In a journal published in 1988, I postulated a one-dimensional micro and macro-infrastructure which cleared up the massive roadblocks in potential Unified Field Theories by proposing indelibly fixed planes of time and space and the resultant illusion of self-determination of sapients. Allow me to paraphrase Witten in stating that this theory "is 22nd century physics which fell into the 20th century." In the 19 years since that paper, significant progress has been achieved in proving the unidimensional model, yet physicists still cling to multidimensionality like their favorite baby blanket.

Why doesn't anyone take me seriously around here???? :twisted:
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I have no idea. :lol: :lol: But you are entertaining. 😀 :wink:

Hmm... now all I gotta do is figure out how to make money entertaining you motley lot. Let me think about it for a while... :lol:
 
The basic problem with any theory which relies upon non-perturbative quantization is that, as Townsend says, “the whole notion of dimensionality is an approximate one that only emerges in some semiclassical context.” The four dimensions are wholly artificial mathematical constructs which cease to be useful when taken beyond basic coordinate mapping. In a journal published in 1988, I postulated a one-dimensional micro and macro-infrastructure which cleared up the massive roadblocks in potential Unified Field Theories by proposing indelibly fixed planes of time and space and the resultant illusion of self-determination of sapients. Allow me to paraphrase Witten in stating that this theory "is 22nd century physics which fell into the 20th century." In the 19 years since that paper, significant progress has been achieved in proving the unidimensional model, yet physicists still cling to multidimensionality like their favorite baby blanket.
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I take it you think it's all BS?
 
I take it you think it's all BS?
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Absolutely not. I think that there are various somewhat valid models out there. Even F-theory's bizarre double-time IIb string has some underlying validity. The basic problem is that we are trying to use mathematical principles to resolve non-temporal behaviours through a temporal matrix and thus we are ending up with endless layers of paradoxes.

Physics has been stuck on cause then effect. Some physics in the quantum realm can take into consideration effect then cause. However, no physics takes into consideration cause coexisting with effect.

A postulate which eliminates time completely from the various equations is the only way possible that allows the certainty to resolve the quantum/macro conflicts, unify the four forces, etc.

I've dealt with various physicists who are even willing to acknowledge this concept to start with, but when they then go ahead and apply its effects on everyday life, with the prospect that not only is tomorrow's breakfast fixed but that there is nothing at all that can be done to change it, that their cerebellums go TILT.

I'm just sorry I'll end up getting my Nobel post-humously! 😀
 
The Inquirer is often right, often wrong.

I read it, enjoy it, take it with a grain of salt. - It's the Drudge Report of the IT world.

Regarding 45 nano going late in Dec 07/Jan 08 or so...

Firstly, that is almost exactly 2 years since the last process shift - the first 65 nano parts barely made it out the door for Christmas 05, so two years would be exactly on the "tick tock" cadence Intel has promised.

Can Intel tighten this up so that the time between shrinks is less than 2 years?

I guess that depends on more on logistics that technology factors.

Firstly, pulling in a process is a LOT harder than pulling in a new design - Processes are build on hard assetts, fabs with litho machines, masks, new robots, new wafer doping, etc....

Penrym is clearly in good shape one year out from a design point of view - they have demoed a quad core at 2.16 ghz doing video editing, but just because the design is good to go doesn't get the actual fabs and all the assorted machiney migrated to the new process... there is a lot of work to do...

Secondly, there is the matter of volume. Intel is so big they need 2 or 3 fabs going at 45 nano to make the ramp work, and with Intel's "Copy Exactly" philosophy, this takes time.

Finally, there is a matter of yields. - OK Intel got working A0 silicon. This is indeed a HUGE step, and we should all take our hats off, but "some" working silicon, and high yield, economical for the mass production of 10s of millions of chips yield is another matter.

Finally, there is Barcelona.

AMD is claiming a 40% clock for clock bump, which, based upon AMDs (now reduced) initial target frequencies of 2.4=>2.6 ghz means (if we take the 40% at face value) means that Intel would need to get Woodcrest to 3.5 ghz +/- to stay even

3.5 ghz is likely do-able, but maybe at the cost of yields?

My guess is Intel will do what is needed to stay ahead, and if "enough" is a 1600 mhz FSB Woody in the 3.5 ghz range, they will likely hold 45 nano till yields are good and the make money from the process shift.

My final point is that we need to be reasonable in expectations as well.. 65 nano is barely a year old, even if Intel is dead on target, anything much under a year more to get to 45 nano is still one heck of a logistical challenge...
 
Jack just stated that he is not paid by Intel, but you say otherwise. Someone needs to fess up. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I have nothing more to say. 😀

Woooohooooo, a raise!!! Damn, man --- forward that to me immediately. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry. Told ya I was gonna forge your signature and cash it. Now I'm off to get those twin Xeons...
 
I think it is a good idea to push Penryn back as far as they can from the marketing perspective. When the Barcelona comes out in another 6 months, I would look at it's benchmarks. If the Penryn is able to beat it out, I would post some benchmarks just so everyone can say. "oh I'll hold off on Barcelona since the Penryn will be better in a few months".
 
Hey jack, back to that benchmark challenge thing.... you said you needed someone with an AMD processor.... I have an AMD processor :wink:

Would that be something i could do or do i actually need to go buy software and stuff, cuz the only software i have ever purchased is windows.

I'm cheap 8)
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This is a good idea.... like I said above, it will be 2 or 3 weeks before I can begin working on the project but I may take you up on that.... the bench he is asking for though is nontrivial to setup and execute, I suspect just a week or so of getting the compilers installed, source code and background tasks settled upon, but it will be a fun project.

Jack

I guess I'll find out if i can do it when it comes up. But for now, my computer has a virus and is fucked up. This virus attacked my files with exe endings and among other things, doubled them, over and over again. Luckily i found the file that was doing the doubling and deleted it, but not before i had 4 of everything exe, i gained like 30-40gigs. So i got a system mechainc trila and it says, get this, i have 434mb of duplicate SHORTCUTS!!!, that is a lot of shortcuts.

SOOO.. i have to buy norton and maybe system mechanic to fix this problem.

PS. How do i reformat my hard drive when it is the system boot disk. As of now it won't let me format for that reason. Do i have to have the windows disk or something, because if so i will spend the rest of my day looking for that disk.

HELP!!! :wink:
 
Gotta boot from the CD man.
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Word.

K, got another question.

Last time, when i built the computer, i didn't partition the drive, because i forgot. So this time i partitioned it. I made a 30gig partition to boot from. Now I didn't make any other ones because i assumed the remaining space would be called E or F or something. It didn't. So now i have a 30gig HD 8) Anyway, I installed all my drivers, and programs like office and such. Now my big question.

Can i just put the windows CD and create another partion with the rest of the space on the disk, or do i have to redo all of what i just did for the past couple hours. Or is there a way to give the rest of the space a drive letter without creating another partition.

I really hope i don't have to delete everything again, cuz then my reaction would be .... PIECE OF SHIT MOTHERFUCKER!!!!

:?
 
there are programs that let you play around with your partition sizes/such in windows, partition magic is one example. I recently Added another hd to my raid, and had to modify the partition for the extra space.

But yes, you can create a new partition using your windows cd without formating your 30gig partition... You just cant change/modify your old partition without formating.
 
there are programs that let you play around with your partition sizes/such in windows, partition magic is one example. I recently Added another hd to my raid, and had to modify the partition for the extra space.

But yes, you can create a new partition using your windows cd without formating your 30gig partition... You just cant change/modify your old partition without formating.
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Hmmmm... I tried Partition Magic, and it seems really good, but its only a trial. As i said before, I'm cheap, so can I still create a partition out of the rest of my space with the windows disk? Otherwise, does anyone know of a free version of something like partition magic?
 
yes you can do basic stuff like creating new partitions and stuff with the windows CD. you just cant change existing partitions or anything like that while in windows

(isnt that what i said before in the 2nd blurb... seems so)
yes, you can create a new partition using your windows cd without formating your 30gig partition...
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and i sure didnt pay for it for the 2 second fix i needed. But i dont think these forums want me getting into the details about that 😛
 
yes you can do basic stuff like creating new partitions and stuff with the windows CD. you just cant change existing partitions or anything like that while in windows

(isnt that what i said before in the 2nd blurb... seems so) yes, you can create a new partition using your windows cd without formating your 30gig partition...
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and i sure didnt pay for it for the 2 second fix i needed. But i dont think these forums want me getting into the details about that 😛

OOPS lol, missed that line. 😳

Anyway, i made the other partition with the cd, and it worked easy. Only problem i'm having now is swapping files between partitions doesn't work well. There is usually an error, and installling games on the E drive doesn't seem to work right either. Any reason why?
 
yes you can do basic stuff like creating new partitions and stuff with the windows CD. you just cant change existing partitions or anything like that while in windows

(isnt that what i said before in the 2nd blurb... seems so) yes, you can create a new partition using your windows cd without formating your 30gig partition...
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and i sure didnt pay for it for the 2 second fix i needed. But i dont think these forums want me getting into the details about that 😛

Does anyone remember a partition software that was out around the time of Win 95 that would allow you to totally repartition your drive under Windows? There was a time when a n00b asked me to help him out as he was having trouble. It turns out that he was partitioning his drive to fit each folder!!! :roll:
 
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