Pentium 820 D

[Rugger]

Any chance of you responding to my last post before checking out of this thread? I'd like to see some more of your thought process/data that you're using to make the decision...

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[ChipDeath]

Your probably right, since what you say has no weight or merit.

As opposed to what you say, which has been consistently disproved. The weight of evidence is definitely <i>not</i> in your favour here...

DDR2 has some good advantages, less voltage, cooler

Oh I see, so heat and power consumption <i>do</i> matter, if they happen to support your own bizzarre view (which appears to consist almost entirely of your own colon anyway)

Except when it can't run the bigger dimmns at that rated speed

This statement shows how you don't actually listen to anyone's facts or opinions. This has repeatedly been shown to now no longer be true, yet here you bring it up, <i>yet again</i>..

Now what is AMD going to do to increase bandwidth? Add more pins yet again?

For f<b></b>uck's sake. do you want me to start yelling about how the <i>chipset</i> support for AMD is superior because it has less pins for the same functionality compared to Intel Chipsets? <b>They've moved what used to be a function of the chipset onto the processor itself, which is why it has more pins</b>

Intel was just plain smarter then AMD in this case and has that option of adding more pins and probably still have less needed then AMD.

Earth to noko... come in noko... I'd always wondered why those intel sockets had <i>loads</i> of spare holes without the corresponding pins on the processors.. Now I know what they're for! Thanks for enlightening me.

At this point I virtually made up my mind,

Actually, you made up your mind before this post:

I was surprised not to many threads was started up dealing with this rather cheap dual processor here. Looks to me a great bang for the buck <i>.....blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah....</i>
Now, should I get a 7800GTX or R520 when they come out and use the rather poor Extreme graphics that come with the 945 chipset?

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[Guest]

Here little troll come here!! Its time to eat!


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[Zoron]

What does the RAM being cooler and using less voltage have to do with the fact that the 820D is an oven-in-a-chip? Any miniscule savings you have on the RAM will be completely blown away by the processor...

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[ChipDeath]

I found that hilarious myself.

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[Era]

<Wussy, if you are still following this thread, I am an American.

Now that's a fine excuse for being a moronic, illiterate arsewipe.

 

[Rugger]

<A HREF="http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-293-1.htm" target="_new">Hardcoreware.com 820D review</A>
It's amazing how the photoshop scores turned around so fast...820D can beat a X2 4800+, but not a 3000+. Yes, I know they are testing different aspects of Photoshop....

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[P4Man]

> DDR2 has some good advantages, less voltage, cooler

Pretty hilarious ... I guess that ~4W (?) difference almost closes the ~70W gap between the X2 and 8x0 then, just like the 0.7% performance drop almost closes a ~40% performance gap ?

>Only logic that is ridiculus seems to be coming from you,
>quad pumping vice dual channel is superior in cutting down
>the number of pins or lanes needed to transfer data

Oh *really* ? Then maybe you can explain to me why intel needs 775 pins (cpu) + 1210 (i925 NB) + 609 (ICH6 SB) = 2594 to accomplish what AMD does in 939 + 688 (nforce3) = 1627 ? Gee, I thought the AMD solution actually had far less pins, maybe my math is off ?

>At this point I virtually made up my mind

Oh stop boring us, just buy that damn chip.

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[BePe86]

ROFLMAO; another troll gangbanged... this has become entertaining...

 

[liquidpaper007]

I think Noko just wanted to someone say, I agree with you, so he does not regret buying it so here it goes.

I agree with you.

 

[Zoron]

Fugger already agreed with him... makes me wonder if it's just Fugger trying to have a little fun...

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[Starfishy]

Fugger is alot smarter than this guy. At least fugger makes an attemp at understanding.

However, if you guys remember, I did kind of agree with him already. I do think that this CPU is a pretty good deal. Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is even in the same league as the X2, but I also don't think it is in the same price range.

This gives a great price for the multitasking/multithread user who doesn't have the budget for an X2.

 

[Era]

Well, fugger and noko have quite similar trolling tactics. So who knows.
Fredi probably does, but he won't tell us. That bitch.

 

[xall]

seconded.

agreed with him. cheap is damn good.

but its sometime true that when you argue with an idiot, they'll only drag you down to their level.


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[Rugger]

You have to let them...

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[noko]

So DDR2 has no advantages?

Ahh, the stupid industry going to DDR2, what are they thinking? Oh no, AMD is going to DDR2, they must be retards.

The real trolls are you, or maybe blind eyed fanatics. Really since you can't argue about 820D you have to gang up on me instead, boo hoo, yeah you are really winning an argument. Bring it on since your facts are pretty obvious over and over again wrong.

Now listening to a bunch of fools is rather foolish. I only posting now because someone of some sense is maybe paying attention. It is kinda amusing though so keep posting boys or girls, at least you are making me laugh so all is not lost.

Once again keep posting, since most of you don't even understand simple concepts about computers and probably life in general, at least you can have a worth while function of entertaining me in the end. Say some more fool.

 

[noko]

Now AMD doesn't have a chip in the 820D price range that can compete. In addition people are taking these 820D's and OCing them to 5ghz plus!! It probably won't be long before Intel will start releasing some rather fast combos that will put AMD in a very arkward position of being once again in last place, well a far second I should say.

I can see why now AMD is trying to sue Intel, maybe AMD is pissing in the wind and they waited until the wind was blowing harder on them. If AMD was that far ahead of Intel, Intel would not be able to stop them, the market would have chosen AMD. AMD has done some rather good things but overall the market decided in favor of Intel in general. That means people have decided which to buy and I am sorry for you AMD fanatics, you are the minority, except maybe here .

If you want to pick a few things and then generalize it you will fall short of understanding what is going on. It is much more then how fast DoomIII plays on an AMD machine compared to an Intel machine. In many cases the benchmarks themselves are only good for that software package, and machine configuration, which will have no bearing on your configuration or other software setups. To say AMD is 35% faster over Intel in general is actually rather stupid especially if you are pointing to one test on one machine. Yet many of you will just agree how wonderful AMD is and get out the kneepads for who ever says it.

Thanks but no thanks, if I said I was going for the X2 the whole thread probably would have sounded much different. Is the X2 a bad chip, by no means, it is rather awesome except when you stick on the price tag that goes with it, then to me it then kinda sucks, kinda like some of you :lol: . Thats ok, I really don't know any of you and I am sure the lot here are actually rather nice good folks having a problem with understanding a few things. I am going for the better deal overall and this time around it looks very likely to be Intel.

 

[Rugger]

So DDR2 has no advantages?

I never said anything about DDR2. :/

The real trolls are you, or maybe blind eyed fanatics. Really since you can't argue about 820D you have to gang up on me instead, boo hoo, yeah you are really winning an argument. Bring it on since your facts are pretty obvious over and over again wrong.

Go back, read my posts and tell me when/where/how I've ganged up on you. Up until this point I have said nothing derogatory towards you - again, go back and read the posts. In fact, I have kept a very open mind towards the 820D price/perf and your thought process behind your decision. AMD has no competitior for the 820D at that price point and I think that's why they're going to put out the 3800+. All the better for consumers! I want to see competition at every price point to continue to drive prices down.

Before you start throwing daggers you should consider the person you are targeting. If this is a case of responding to the closest post, then fine. If this is directed at me, then you can kiss my big, hairy, white, pimply ass.

BTW, I'm still awaiting a response to two of my earlier posts:
1.
In reply to:
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(Noko quote) The multi-tasking benchmarks at AnAndTech, the ones I am interested in, shows a non OC Intel faster then AMD fastest X2.
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(Rugger quote): Can you provide a link to the benchmarks page that you are referencing for this statement?

2. (Rugger quote) You probably missed my earlier post. You've read the reviews and have specific benchmarks on which you are basing your 820D preference. Can you send me a link to the specific benchmarks page that are influencing you.

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[Zoron]

So DDR2 has no advantages?

Nope.

Bring it on since your facts are pretty obvious over and over again wrong.

Facts are never wrong... that is why they are called facts.

Once again keep posting, since most of you don't even understand simple concepts about computers and probably life in general

Oh boo hoo. We don't think the 820D is all it's cracked up to be... so that means we know nothing at all since we're not in line with your oh so obviously 'informed' opinion. Trying to educate you is useless... you can only teach those willing to learn.



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[HansGruber]

DDR2 has some good advantages, less voltage, cooler and advancing <b>much faster then DDR </b>besides with much more bandwidth potential. You can stick to DDR, I am moving to DDR2.

BS.
<A HREF="http://koti.welho.com/pnystro2/pics/latency.PNG" target="_new">Memory latency.</A>

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[noko]

Sorry about that Rugger, it wasn't pointed towards you. You have good questions and appears to be more discussion orientated then others.

BS.
Memory latency.

BS, memory controller of AMD is superior in this aspect and helps explain the rather good single thread and better performance benchmarks of AMD over Intel. Look at the DDR of the XP line and Pentium IV's with DDR.

More later.


<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by noko on 07/24/05 12:56 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[noko]

Now AMD is going to DDR2, why? It in the long run is alot better and will continue to grow. If you havn't read the AnAndTech article yet on projected AMD new cpu's then read here.

<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2476" target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2476</A>

For me, investing further in DDR is a waste, also investing in a motherboard in which cpu upgrades will be questionable in the near future (Now Intel has been worst in this area then AMD but at this time I think Intel's socket T has some life in it to buy another cpu later if I want too). You may have other reasons for buying 2-4gb of DDR and a socket 939 mobo, so go for it. If AMD M2 line is rather good (I expect it to be) then late next year or early 2007 I will be buidling a X2 M2 machine and retire my AMD Abit NF7S-R2 due to lack of sufficient memory.

 

[mozzartusm]

Im thinking about buying 4 to 8 GBs of DDR, but it would be for a RAM drive. Im not going to invest more in DDR either if the industry is moving in the other direction

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[Rugger]

I'm never on the cutting edge of owning PC tech. As AMD moves to DDR2 next year, the prices will go down for DDR mobos, memory and associated CPUs - looks like my upgrade may finally happen next year. Hawaii put a big dent in my upgrade wallet. 🙁 But it was worth every penny!

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[darko21]

<<Now AMD is going to DDR2, why?>>

Cause ddr2 3 - 4 is the future I'd guess.

ddr2 has no advantage overall over ddr TO-DAY, However; it will at some point. these things just take time,,, that point might be today but it was definatley not the day intel told u it was better. or lead u to believe it was supierior.

Soon we will have ddr3,,,, feel free to browse these forums to see how ddr3 is doing performance wise. Remember if Intel wishes it so,, ddr2 will be superior to ddr3 as far as they r concerned as well as money grabbing media.

Stick to the facts jack. u don't need to be coy roy, just drop of the key lee and set yourself free.

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