Phenom ii and Gtx 1070

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Hi guys, i have an old AMD phenom ii x6 1045t with 16gb RAM windows 7 that i use for gaming. Its old but very capable.i have used Gtx 750 ti and Gtx 770 for gaming. But now i have purchased a Gtx 1070 and i read that the bottleneck is severe. Any way to improve this con a budget? 200 dlls
 

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A Phenom is going to severely hold back a 1070, full stop.

As for mitigating it somewhat...... Increasing the resolution is about the only thing I can think of.
As you increase resolution, the CPU demand is lessened. Still not going to eliminate the 'bottleneck' though.

On a $200(ish) budget, it's going to be tough.
A Ryzen3, B350 board & 2x4GB of DDR4 is an option...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($94.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($56.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($60.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $212.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Your CPU can be overclocked via FSB. I would focus on pushing your NB to 2600-3000Mhz for improved performance. Get your CPU clock to 3.5Ghz and that combination should help with the CPU bottleneck.
 
The CPU and Memory bus is going to hinder the GPU regardless what you attempt. If your running a older board with a 780 or 880 chipset that could also be a issue since 1000 series cards don't support Legacy BIOS and you may find it won't even start up.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Motherboard: ASRock - B450M-HDV Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($60.98 @ Newegg)
Other: Ryzen 1200 ($75.00) Ebay- Not letting me post link on Chrome Mobile
Total: $199.96

A 1200/1300X/2200G will give you about 40% more IPC over what you have but your better off looking at a faster CPU overall like a 1500X/1600/1600x/2600/2600X/I3 8000 series or i5 8000 series these will pair better with a 1070. 8GB of RAM is also a issue that should be remedied to 16G somewhere down the line.
 

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Do you have a source for this delaro? While OEM BIOS implementation can be hit or miss, I've never heard of an outright lack of legacy BIOS support for 10 series cards...
 


1000 series cards do not support Legacy Bios that was dropped in the 900 series and you can find it on the Nvidia forums. Some of those 780/880 boards that supported AM3+ chips will flashed for UEFI support.

 

Barty1884

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Official response from Nvidia? I can't find anything that states exactly what you're claiming. Least of all any official response from Nvidia.

Yes, 900+ cards lack legacy BIOS support BUT, there are very few instances where it actually matters.
Modern(ish) cards, Fermi or Keplar and onwards IIRC are GOP compliant whcih should allow the vBIOS to operate in legacy mode, no?
 

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Barty1884

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Depends what you can sell your Phenom setup for.
If you could move onto a 2600 for a net spent of <$100, it's a worthwhile upgrade.

If I were you, I'd consider buying the 2600 setup, switch the RAM out (retain your 16GB) and sell your Phenom, board & 8GB. Should net ~$50 or so without too much hassle.

Not the best upgrade in the world, but for the money, it's a pretty good deal IMO.
Not going to fully remove the 'bottleneck' to the 1070, but it's moving in the right direction.
 


As far as Gaming is concerned.

Phenom II X6 1045T vs a i7 2600 is quite a big improvement and something like a 25+fps gain

A Ryzen 1200/1300X/2200G overclocked would be slightly faster than a i7 2600

A i3 8100 is slightly faster than all the above but slower than a overclock Ryzen 1600/1600X/2600/2600X when multicore is a preference.

A Ryzen 5 2600 @$164 is definitely worth speeding the extra money on matched with a 1070 it will be all you need for a few years while the i7 2600 is starting to show its age now.

The i7 2600 using the RAM you have would be the cheapest upgrade but also it's going to hold the GPU back and force you to look at upgrading again in another 1-2 years.







 

Barty1884

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The Ryzen5 2600 for $164 is only the beginning though delaro. Add in guaranteed compatible board and (minimum) 2x4GB 3000MHz DDR4 and you're looking at an investment of ~$300.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor ($164.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI - B450M PRO-M2 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($74.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $299.97
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-21 18:23 EST-0500

Not saying it's a bad idea, far from it - it would be a great pairing for a 1070..... but depending on the OP's budget, it might not be attainable.


While I think the 2600 upgrade makes sense at a net spend of <$100 OP, realize that it's not going to last forever (and the risks associated with buying used hardware).

If you could somehow make any upgrade to a modern platform (~$300) work, then I'd highly suggest you do so.

If not, appreciate that a ~$100 investment into a dated platform is only going to get you so far.
If it's a budget concern, then the ~$100 investment will buy you some time over your current platform - but definitely have one eye on your next upgrade (an entire platform upgrade) sooner rather than later.
 

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Thank you all for the time answering. I will get the i7 for now and upgrade in 2020 or so. This year ill pay the car and be more free in the future. Kind regards
 

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@ delaro. Im running an 1070 on a 1366 mobo. Nvidia have continued to run hybrid vbios. Lga775 are also running 10 series. It's not black and white impossible, theres just a misunderstanding why some older mobos do and some don't which I don't have the answer. Newer Amd cards are a different story though, they seem to have more reported problems on legacy mobos.
 

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