PLEASE HELP RX 580 or GTX 1060

[laptopuserr]

I'm planning on building a gaming pc.
I already purchased the following parts:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sfpGpb

I also bought this IPS FreeSync Monitor:
LG 23MP68VQ-P

Starting with GTX 1060:

Gigabyte:

1) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RKYWGX/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-6gb-aorus-xtreme-edition-video-card-gv-n1060aorus-x-6gd

2) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p6Wrxr/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-6gb-gaming-6g-rev-20-video-card-gv-n1060g1gam-6gd-r2

MSI:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JVWrxr/msi-geforce-gtx-1060-6gb-gaming-x-video-card-geforce-gtx-1060-gaming-x-6g

Now for the RX 580:


1) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6ZmxFT/msi-radeon-rx-580-8gb-gaming-x-video-card-rx-580-gaming-x-8g

2) https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QvGj4D/gigabyte-radeon-rx-580-8gb-aorus-8g-video-card-gv-rx580aorus-8gd


Which one would you suggest considering the FreeSync Monitor?

 

[laptopuserr]

Intel gen 8 doesn't have that much more to offer, it has better single core performance , something Intel has always had anyway.

What actually made you pick the ryzen in the first place in that respect ?


I'd ask why you didn't go for the i7 7700k originally ??

Its about the same price as the 8600k , about the same performance both single & multi threaded.... & it's not like it wasn't available at the time either.

& this isn't a criticism of you going with the ryzen 1600 at all , just you seem a little obsessed with
the intels as it stands.

My pick was due to price,and the fact that Ryzen was 6 core,when Intel's same price was just 4,which i knew it was time to get obsolete.. So i picked Ryzen over i5 - 7600k for example.. The only reason i'm asking now is because i had not opened or used Ryzen yet,so i can get my money back if i do send them back.

 

[madmatt30]

But you're now looking at the 8600k ?? & thats way more expensive.

In the uk its pretty much the same price as a 7700k.

If you're looking at the locked i5 8400 I can half understand that ,great cpu, same price as a ryzen ,beats it on straight gaming no doubt.

For streaming as well though ?? I wouldn't be so sure about that at all.

 

[laptopuserr]

But you're now looking at the 8600k ?? & thats way more expensive.

In the uk its pretty much the same price as a 7700k.

If you're looking at the locked i5 8400 I can half understand that ,great cpu, same price as a ryzen ,beats it on straight gaming no doubt.

For streaming as well though ?? I wouldn't be so sure about that at all.

Yeap,i'm looking on the 8600k because it's the best one with just 80-100 euros more.. And the one who's better overclocker.. So i can keep it for enough years. Because since i'm willing to change,i would give some more for the best performance.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

I should not have been harsh earlier, apologies for that.

The i5 will do better in gaming. No question. The question is how much streaming do you intend to do?

The Ryzen 1600 is a compromise. It won't do as good as the i5 for gaming, but it should outdo it on streaming. So you will just need to balance which is worth more to you.

That said, the i5 is better at gaming by a few percentage points, but the Ryzen will still do great at it and hold it's own.

 

[laptopuserr]

I should not have been harsh earlier, apologies for that.

The i5 will do better in gaming. No question. The question is how much streaming do you intend to do?

The Ryzen 1600 is a compromise. It won't do as good as the i5 for gaming, but it should outdo it on streaming. So you will just need to balance which is worth more to you.

That said, the i5 is better at gaming by a few percentage points, but the Ryzen will still do great at it and hold it's own.

I didn't see your last answer.. Well dude,wow.. We're just making a conversation.. I'm open to any ideas,that's why i'm asking also.. I'm just trying to get ideas if swiching to i5 8th Gen. is worth.. Also you probably didn't understand my last answer before you said that i won't hear any advises and harsh.. I was saying that Ryzen is a great upgrade,that's why i picked it.. Well it's not actually upgrade cause it's my first actual gaming pc but you get it.. As i said, I don't really have that much money offen,that's why I want to get the best possible out of my budget,cause I won't spend any more on the pc near soon..

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

I'm the same in some ways. I previously had an AMD FX6300. Basically technology from 2011. It was ok for what it was, but I'm telling you compared to that, the Ryzen clobbers it.

That said, I just put my ryzen system together 3-4 months ago. It will overclock a little, and I'm happy with it. I think I'm running 3.7ghz on the stock cooler.

What it all boils down to is that for bang for your buck, ryzen is hard to beat right now. Coffee lake is good, but as you are seeing, you are going to spend more on the board and the cpu up front. So basically you will spend more now, or spend it later. In other words, if you stay with the Ryzen, plan on upgrading in a couple of years. If you get the intel, you might get 3-5 years.

The good thing with Ryzen, AMD is promising to support the same socket until 2020. Intel has a habit of releasing new chips that require new motherboards every 2-3 years. So in say 3 years, you may want to upgrade your intel processor, but may be stuck buying another new board.

With AMD, I'm hoping, because they've been decent about this in the past, if they keep the same socket, that say in 2019 or 2020 when say a Ryzen version 3 that is a nice jump over my 1600 is released, that I'll be able to update the bios on my motherboard, and install a shiny Ryzen version 3000 series chip or whatever they call it at that time, and jump back to whatever performance level is there at the current time. I can't promise they won't require new boards later, but my past experiences with them have been positive in that regard. Plus they seem to hit the wallet less when you initially purchase. The only reason I think intel is pricing so competively is due to Ryzen. I think they didn't know what to really expect with Ryzen, and that it kind of shocked them, and that is why the quick rollout of Coffee lake.

As I think matt said above too, don't buy into Coffee lake only because you think you'll be set for a long time. An article I just saw is talking about Cannon Lake already in late 2018. So they will be bumping that up again.

Here's a link to AMD's proposed roadmap.

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/105772-amd-unveils-roadmap-ryzen-threadripper-ryzen-3-apus/

From what they show Ryzen was the start. I saw another article that is talking about a new Ryzen in February 2018, which may be the 14nm+ shown on their map. It looks from that like late next year, expect Ryzen 2, then after that sometime in 2019 or 2020 for Ryzen 3.

Here's another forum where someone was asking the question how long will a Ryzen 1600 and a 1080ti last him. A lot of the answers say 5 years essentially.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/816357-how-long-will-ryzen-5-1600-and-gtx-1080ti-last-me-estimate/

But that said, as you can see by the roadmap from AMD, it appears as though if you do for whatever decide you want to upgrade, you may be able to go to Ryzen 2 or Ryzen 3 later. Personally, as I said, I know if I want current performance, I tend to upgrade every 2-3 years incrementally. So for me, after I've had a cpu a couple of years, I'll evaluate if I see any new cpus worth upgrading to or not. Same with video cards as well.

But if you do decide to upgrade, lets say a ryzen 2600 6 core 12 thread or whatever they have out at the time costs 200 dollars like now, you'd probably be able to sell your old one for 75 or 100 dollars and make up part of the cost.

Ultimately though, you'll either spend more right now for better performance that hopefully lasts longer, or get a system that's still a stout system for what you want to do that should let you have an upgrade path for when you want to add to it or change it later. I would just get what you can afford. But if you do decide to stay with the AMD bulid, I don't think you will be dissapointed. If you look at a lot of the guys on youtube etc, some of them said they decided to change to ryzen from intel(at least before coffee lake), due to the fact they could have decent gaming performance, but still stream etc at the same time.

 

[madmatt30]

^ what he said 100%.

The other thing , the 8600k??

Its awful awful value IMO , I can understand going for the 8400 which is about the same price as the ryzen but the 8600k is way way way overpriced comparatively.

Intel have always done this with k series chips because they know stoopid people will pay .
The 8600k boosts 300mhz higher on single core & 200mhz higher on multi core.

Unless you overclock the ass off it it the performance difference between it & the 8400 is totally inconsequential IMO

Its $80-90 more & you also need to add a $30-40 cooler .

 

[laptopuserr]

I'm the same in some ways. I previously had an AMD FX6300. Basically technology from 2011. It was ok for what it was, but I'm telling you compared to that, the Ryzen clobbers it.

That said, I just put my ryzen system together 3-4 months ago. It will overclock a little, and I'm happy with it. I think I'm running 3.7ghz on the stock cooler.

What it all boils down to is that for bang for your buck, ryzen is hard to beat right now. Coffee lake is good, but as you are seeing, you are going to spend more on the board and the cpu up front. So basically you will spend more now, or spend it later. In other words, if you stay with the Ryzen, plan on upgrading in a couple of years. If you get the intel, you might get 3-5 years.

The good thing with Ryzen, AMD is promising to support the same socket until 2020. Intel has a habit of releasing new chips that require new motherboards every 2-3 years. So in say 3 years, you may want to upgrade your intel processor, but may be stuck buying another new board.

With AMD, I'm hoping, because they've been decent about this in the past, if they keep the same socket, that say in 2019 or 2020 when say a Ryzen version 3 that is a nice jump over my 1600 is released, that I'll be able to update the bios on my motherboard, and install a shiny Ryzen version 3000 series chip or whatever they call it at that time, and jump back to whatever performance level is there at the current time. I can't promise they won't require new boards later, but my past experiences with them have been positive in that regard. Plus they seem to hit the wallet less when you initially purchase. The only reason I think intel is pricing so competively is due to Ryzen. I think they didn't know what to really expect with Ryzen, and that it kind of shocked them, and that is why the quick rollout of Coffee lake.

As I think matt said above too, don't buy into Coffee lake only because you think you'll be set for a long time. An article I just saw is talking about Cannon Lake already in late 2018. So they will be bumping that up again.

Here's a link to AMD's proposed roadmap.

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/105772-amd-unveils-roadmap-ryzen-threadripper-ryzen-3-apus/

From what they show Ryzen was the start. I saw another article that is talking about a new Ryzen in February 2018, which may be the 14nm+ shown on their map. It looks from that like late next year, expect Ryzen 2, then after that sometime in 2019 or 2020 for Ryzen 3.

Here's another forum where someone was asking the question how long will a Ryzen 1600 and a 1080ti last him. A lot of the answers say 5 years essentially.

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/816357-how-long-will-ryzen-5-1600-and-gtx-1080ti-last-me-estimate/

But that said, as you can see by the roadmap from AMD, it appears as though if you do for whatever decide you want to upgrade, you may be able to go to Ryzen 2 or Ryzen 3 later. Personally, as I said, I know if I want current performance, I tend to upgrade every 2-3 years incrementally. So for me, after I've had a cpu a couple of years, I'll evaluate if I see any new cpus worth upgrading to or not. Same with video cards as well.

But if you do decide to upgrade, lets say a ryzen 2600 6 core 12 thread or whatever they have out at the time costs 200 dollars like now, you'd probably be able to sell your old one for 75 or 100 dollars and make up part of the cost.

Ultimately though, you'll either spend more right now for better performance that hopefully lasts longer, or get a system that's still a stout system for what you want to do that should let you have an upgrade path for when you want to add to it or change it later. I would just get what you can afford. But if you do decide to stay with the AMD bulid, I don't think you will be dissapointed. If you look at a lot of the guys on youtube etc, some of them said they decided to change to ryzen from intel(at least before coffee lake), due to the fact they could have decent gaming performance, but still stream etc at the same time.

You seem to be right mate. I'll probably stay with Ryzen now,keep some money,or maybe spend on a better GPU or periferals,and be happy. Then in some years I would probably had to change my CPU,whatever one i had chosen. So yeah, AM4 mobos being used untill 2020 seems promising.Hope they won't change.. But i got really dissapointed,cause i was sure Intel would release 6 core new CPU's but didn't research.. But they did just 3 days after i got my Ryzen and didn't even opened it.. Well definitely they quickly lunched Coffe Lake's was to compete with Ryzen's. I think you convinced me Plus I think with a 580/1060 an i5 - 8600k and Ryzen 1600 won't have that huge diferrence such as maybe with an 1080.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

You gotta figure too, lets say each version of Ryzen is say a 10% increase in ipc, and also if they get clock speeds up. Right now Ryzen tops out about 4ghz, but Ryzen 1 is the first release. They usually improve their process. So in another generation they may be on par or close to it. They actually before coffee lake, in my opinion, had made all but the i7 7700k pretty much irrelevant because they were close enough and could multitask better. The main thing they lag behind is single core performance. If they can increase that ipc performance a bit, and if they can get their clock speeds toward say 4.5ghz and later toward 5ghz, I think you will see a lot of intel's advantage there vanish.

AMD was so far behind for the last 5 years or so, so they are really trying to make a comeback right now. I think Ryzen did quite a bit toward that, but consider the Ryzen chips were about a 40-50% performance increase over their previous generations. Their new ceo I think has really helped a lot.

 

[laptopuserr]

You gotta figure too, lets say each version of Ryzen is say a 10% increase in ipc, and also if they get clock speeds up. Right now Ryzen tops out about 4ghz, but Ryzen 1 is the first release. They usually improve their process. So in another generation they may be on par or close to it. They actually before coffee lake, in my opinion, had made all but the i7 7700k pretty much irrelevant because they were close enough and could multitask better. The main thing they lag behind is single core performance. If they can increase that ipc performance a bit, and if they can get their clock speeds toward say 4.5ghz and later toward 5ghz, I think you will see a lot of intel's advantage there vanish.

AMD was so far behind for the last 5 years or so, so they are really trying to make a comeback right now. I think Ryzen did quite a bit toward that, but consider the Ryzen chips were about a 40-50% performance increase over their previous generations. Their new ceo I think has really helped a lot.

You're absolutely correct. I also think if AMD gets better single core performance and keep the same multi core performance with better clock speeds,having like 3.6/3.8 base clock speeds and 4,3-4,5 max speeds, they will compete to Intel's new Gen. as well. They did a great job on Ryzens before Intel answered.. Now they should work hard on their new CPU's on early 2018.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Yep. In fact if an older map I saw previously is right, you may see Ryzen 2 later in the year.

I remember amd had the jump on Intel way back before core 2 duo released. When amd released their original athlon 64. For a while they were the performance leader there until core 2 duo I think. Unfortunately Intel has a much larger R&D budget, they are just a much bigger company. So we get the seesaw battles. Although bulldozer could have sunk amd. Then you can imagine like 200 bucks for an i3.

 

[laptopuserr]

Yep. In fact if an older map I saw previously is right, you may see Ryzen 2 later in the year.

I remember amd had the jump on Intel way back before core 2 duo released. When amd released their original athlon 64. For a while they were the performance leader there until core 2 duo I think. Unfortunately Intel has a much larger R&D budget, they are just a much bigger company. So we get the seesaw battles. Although bulldozer could have sunk amd. Then you can imagine like 200 bucks for an i3.

Meh,i don't know man.. I hope staying with Ryzen will be a good choice.I pray.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

I'm hoping they don't require a new board as well.

 

[TheAlmightyProo]

Wow. Some longass thread...

My two cents? Especially if OP is sticking with 1080p Freesync, go with the RX 580 8Gb; slightly higher power draw aside, it has every advantage over a GTX 1060 and draws pretty even where it doesn't win outright... with the added bonus of longer support and an extra 2 Gb just in case/for longevity's sake.

A GTX 1070, which I have with a 35 inch 2560x1080 144 Hz Freesync screen... (I couldn't get a similar sized G-Sync for love or less than a grand last Black Friday when I pulled the trigger) is overkill for 1080p unless you absolutely must hit the upper ranges of a 120-144 Hz screen, ie for serious Esports/competitive gaming.

As for the CPU... well, I'm an Intel/Nvidia user on both big rig and laptop because there just wasn't the choice of Ryzen when I threw down cash... but hell, go with Ryzen. There is not a game out yet that will perform better on more than 6 cores at up to 4 GHz and the price difference going for an Intel with the same core count and higher clocks just isn't worth the extra outlay for a few more fps that a 75 Hz Freesync screen won't show anyway...

Honestly, if I could re-do my build now I'd go with AMD for CPU and GPU, stick with 60-75 Hz 1080p or 2560x1080 (cos ultrawide is pretty cool) or even just use my 43 inch 60 Hz 1080p TV, maxed out or high settings and call it a day for a few years until 4K is the base standard ad even lower end GPU's can handle it... but that's just me, I need a larger screen so I can sit back comfy (I have spinal degeneration) and at that distance (3-4 feet) 1080p doesn't look as bad as 4K elitists would have you believe...

 

[madmatt30]

Wow. Some longass thread...

My two cents? Especially if OP is sticking with 1080p Freesync, go with the RX 580 8Gb; slightly higher power draw aside, it has every advantage over a GTX 1060 and draws pretty even where it doesn't win outright... with the added bonus of longer support and an extra 2 Gb just in case/for longevity's sake.

A GTX 1070, which I have with a 35 inch 2560x1080 144 Hz Freesync screen... (I couldn't get a similar sized G-Sync for love or less than a grand last Black Friday when I pulled the trigger) is overkill for 1080p unless you absolutely must hit the upper ranges of a 120-144 Hz screen, ie for serious Esports/competitive gaming.

As for the CPU... well, I'm an Intel/Nvidia user on both big rig and laptop because there just wasn't the choice of Ryzen when I threw down cash... but hell, go with Ryzen. There is not a game out yet that will perform better on more than 6 cores at up to 4 GHz and the price difference going for an Intel with the same core count and higher clocks just isn't worth the extra outlay for a few more fps that a 75 Hz Freesync screen won't show anyway...

Honestly, if I could re-do my build now I'd go with AMD for CPU and GPU, stick with 60-75 Hz 1080p or 2560x1080 (cos ultrawide is pretty cool) or even just use my 43 inch 60 Hz 1080p TV, maxed out or high settings and call it a day for a few years until 4K is the base standard ad even lower end GPU's can handle it... but that's just me, I need a larger screen so I can sit back comfy (I have spinal degeneration) and at that distance (3-4 feet) 1080p doesn't look as bad as 4K elitists would have you believe...

Amen mate,agree with everything you say.
Also a couch gamer on a big screen 60 inch tv.
I have spondylitis which is in minor stages at the minute but it makes sitting straight on a chair at a desk massively uncomfortable for me after a short time.