Please suggest for first build: Gaming PC for ~$350 USD

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I'll respond to the questions as I read through this and then more onto the next question, sorry if this isn't a well organized response.

Combos will come and go. Best to do a fresh thread a day or two out right before you buy if you want help with changing some parts for others based on better cost and current combos.

As for the antec 300 case with the PSU, the case is a great case. Good cooling and room enough for your setup. That link includes both the case and PSU. You can buy either seperate if you want or choose other compents all together. Cases are very personal choices, and as long as they have some build quality, they generally will all work. PSU should have better quality in mind. Corsair, PC Power and Cooling, and Antec are usually the big three. Silverstone I think makes a nice unit too. OCZ is probably more in line with your budget and it is an acceptable line. While you can use a 300w PSU, I'd say get at least a 380w from any of the brands listed.

For the GPU questions:
That mobo will not support 2xcards. And at your budget level, don't worry about a multi card setup. With your monitor, you won't see any gains that you couldn't get with a little better GPU card. But with the limit to your budget, the 4670 will be fine. Before I bought the 1gb card for an extra $20, I'd rather see you get a a good cooling fan for the CPU. Either of these would work great. The more expensive one has free shipping, so it would be less than $10 to do the upgrade. It comes with good thermal paste, so you won't need to buy that either.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=40000574&Description=core%20contact&name=CPU%20Fans%20%26%20Heatsinks

The question of AMD/Intel DDR2/DDR3 comes down to budget at this point. Give us a $350 limit made these decisions for me when I spec'd out the E5200. If you have a different budget, then those questions can be asked. But not for $350. If you have significantly found more money, might be worth starting a new thread.

For the router,I'm guessing there's much cheaper solutions available. I have a cable internet connection and my OLD MS 802.11b 10/100 router is more than enough to keep up with internet speeds. Post in the networking section what you bought, the gurus there will be more than happy to steer you towards the correct solution if you didn't find it already. Also, if you're gaming online, you'll want it hardwired anyway. Wireless can't really be reliable or have the speeds to compete.

For diminishing returns:
This setup is far from hitting that point where you're paying for power you don't need. I'd put this in the bargin/budget range which is maximizing the dollar and getting as much power as you can. You're not going to find much better of a CPU for $70 when you OC the E5200. Personally, if you're building a rig to last for a few years, the AMD Phenom II x3 is the lowest CPU I'd go with, but that would require more money. The E5200 will hold its own though and you're not paying for power you' aren't going to use.

Hope this answers some questions and creates some more. I pick up bits of info too by looking up answers to these questions too. So its a win-win.
 
Contents of my Shopping Cart at Newegg. I'm going to wait until later this afternoon to hit the purchase button. Perhaps a scout will catch something that's wrong and I need to spend a little time making sure this is what I want to do.

Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116072

Combo
Antec Three Hundred + BP430 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 430W Power Supply - Retail
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAJS 320GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.214314

GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128357

Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler W/TX-2 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835207004

CORSAIR XMS2 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5C - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145241

XFX PVT96OZDFU GeForce 9600 GSO 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
Free Call of Duty-World at war w/ purchase, limited offer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150340

Retail: 424.93
Mail in Rebates: $55

Total cost: $364.93

With only a operating system to buy early next month

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders w/ Tech Guarantee - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116677

for $110


A little more than my original quote, but not drastically.
 
Awright, let's get this party started.

Oops! Forgot about a DVD burner *palms his face*.

The Sata burners have are better choice because their wiring is less substantial, but I don't see one that is as inexpensive as the IDE and support both DVD and CD-R burning abilities. I'll stick with your pick Skora,

SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache IDE 22X DVD±R DVD Burner - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151175


It seems to burn in all DVD formats which I didn't know was in issue before doing some review reading on some of the different brands. The only reason I have to burn DVDs is for storage really, though I might want to make a DVD that I can watch on my t.v. and playstation2. Another thing I like about these burners is being able to burn Cds. I like to listen to the Grateful Dead or Phish concerts from time to time, and though I've been playing them through my computer, via Winamp and my home stereo receiver (the computer is connected via a mini-with-audio-ends cord actually lengthened with a 6 ft rca cable connected via two female/female jacks), I'd like to just be able to pop a cd in instead of fussing with playlists and all that. Plus discs are portable: bring them to work, play in a car, send them to a friend; while unplugging my laptop from the seven cords connected to it, and yadda yadda, is a chore--yet its nice to have all my music in one place...

I hope this will let me burn CDs that will play on my home stereo, though it might be the brand of cd that may be causing the issue.
 
So, where it stands right now, I've placed an order for most of the parts (all but the OS and DVD burner) so things might get to me by Saturday. I lent my camera to a friend and hopefully she'll bring it tomorrow or by Friday--I might be able to resist opening packages though I won't be able to do anything besides put most of the pieces together. I'm pretty excited!

I'm going to return most of the stuff I bought from Staples ($110) so I can get the OS as soon as the money posts to my account. I should have enough to buy the optical drive during that same time, likely Monday or Tuesday. I think they ship out of CA, so shipments will probably take the full 3 business days to reach me in NH. So...I probably won't get things cranking until a week from this Friday probably.

 
Uh-Oh

There seems to be an incompatibility with the vid card and the PSU

I went ahead and bought this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102719

and it says Under System Requirements it states clearly that a 450Watt or greater power supply with 75 Watt 6-pin PCI Express power connector recommended.

Will this make any difference? Or is that quote just a guideline?

I can return the vid card and get another if I have to, or maybe I can stop it
dead in its tracks if I call Newegg before they send it.

Is this a real issue?
 
Your fine, that card does not pull much power and the PSU has a 6 pin power connector, just take into consideration that if you decide to upgrade the GPU in the future you will need to upgrade the PSU as well......
 
Hey thanks for the reply.

I shouldn't discount Skora's recommendation so quickly perhaps.

Seeing that Regular next to your name is really affording me some piece of mind.

Man, you racked up some serious posts in the past 3 weeks brah!
 
Thanks man, I really try my hardest to help peeps out, and I learn something new everyday myself... Its kinda addicting to me, but I get the satisfaction from peeps when they say " IT WORKED" and that is what drives me to keep on helping...

Skora's recommendation is a good one as well, but the best thing you can do is save up as much as you can to get the best price/performance ratio available. It is hard to build with a low budget and be satisfied in the long-run. If you can wait a tad and get a GTS 250/4850 it will make a HUGE difference and you will end up with something that will really last. Let me know if you need any help with anything.... and thanks again.....
 
Sata's just easier for cable management and who knows how long IDE support will be on mobos. They still offer FDD on some, so maybe in 2023 we'll see the end of IDE. But you'll for sure be able to use the sata drive in your next build and it will be able to burn CDs for you to use in any CD player.

NEWEGG has a warehouse in NJ also (Trenton?) So maybe you're parts will get there sooner than later. Do you have access to a DVD burner now? If so, you can get Windows 7 RC on DVD and then you'll have some OS to start playing with till your Vista gets delivered. You'd have to reinstall Vista and start over, but only your patience level can determine if its worth it or not.



I love the "IT WORKED" post as well.

This was a tough one with the budget. The future upgrade path was addressed and the OP was given an AMD build to consider too. Just came down to budget. It really helps (and kudos to MassivePepper) when the OP does a lot of research themselves and askes questions. I don't fault MP at all for asking for other opinions or questioning mine. I could be (and am by some accounts, are) a complete nut running my mouth. Or I miss something like I did on the 3870 watt requirements. I don't see there being any problems, but it should have been answered before MP hit the buy button. Sorry for that.

I classify builds into 4 catagories. This was more of a bargin build with some budget upgrades.

1. Bargin - Just build a box that turns on and runs programs. Gaming at the 1280x1024 or 1400x900 resolutions usually. I find the E5200 base build to be a bargin, along with the GPUs offered in this thread. The PSU included with the case is bargin.

2. Budget - Maximize the price/performance ratio and have some upgrade path. Gaming at 1680x1050. Right now, AM3 with DDR3 is a must for upgrading. While there isn't a performance gain with the DDR3, it could be used on the next gen AMD CPUs. If they continue with their backward compatible philosophy, then the AM4 cpus could have the next gen Ram and DDR3 controllers on the chip. If you spend a little extra now, then you have the ram for the next gen CPU if it does play out that way. So the AMD Phenom II x3 is the lowest I'd put i a budget build at this time. Also, the 4850 can't be stopped at $80 amir. The Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer is a great budget HSF. Even though the PSU was bargin, I put the Antec 300 case here in budget. Great airflow with the 2 included fans.

3. Gamer - With Price/Performance in mind, its more about getting great performance. Gaming at 1920x1050-1200. The upgrade path isn't as neccessary in this bracket. Gamers aren't usually early adopters of next gen tech, but willing to do a full platform upgrade instead of just a component or too.

4. Enthusiast - Whats price? Performance at most any level. These are the ones buying multi GPU systems and more CPU than they'll ever use. Gaming at 2600x1600.

Here's a side thought also, after 2 years, most enthusiast products would drop down into the Budget range for a few years to get some extra life out of them. But gamer parts would drop down to bargin parts after a few years since the tech will be below best price/performance by the time the gamer upgrades. Random thoughts that really don't have anything to do with anything.
 
NEWEGG has a warehouse in NJ also (Trenton?) So maybe you're parts will get there sooner than later

This would be just fine. I ordered the DVD drive just now--early Friday morning. There's no reason why I shouldn't run the Windows7 RC, it seems perfectly suited to my current situation. It will certainly hold me off until the beginning of August when I have money to spend again.

I classify builds into 4 catagories. This was more of a bargin build with some budget upgrades.

I'm already wishing I hadn't gone full Bargain (lol), but I'm pretty sure I'm going to really enjoy this build and I may be able to use some of the parts if I want to move up into higher realms.

2. Budget - Maximize the price/performance ratio and have some upgrade path. Gaming at 1680x1050. Right now, AM3 with DDR3 is a must for upgrading. While there isn't a performance gain with the DDR3, it could be used on the next gen AMD CPUs. If they continue with their backward compatible philosophy, then the AM4 cpus could have the next gen Ram and DDR3 controllers on the chip. If you spend a little extra now, then you have the ram for the next gen CPU if it does play out that way. So the AMD Phenom II x3 is the lowest I'd put i a budget build at this time. Also, the 4850 can't be stopped at $80 amir. The Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer is a great budget HSF. Even though the PSU was bargin, I put the Antec 300 case here in budget. Great airflow with the 2 included fans.

Good stuff. This kind of banter makes me want to investigate more. I'm being lured.
Are there any good tech magazines that cover this kind of info? Wired? PC-magazine? I'll have to take a look next time I hit up the grocer or bookstore.