PNY 560ti for $177 is it worth it?

[Magicmountainman]

I currently have an ATI 4890 in my system with an i7 920 and all the other goods, but I'm feeling the itch to upgrade my card for BF3. My question is, there is a deal on B&H here that brings down the price of a 560ti to a nice $177. However I'm just not quite sure about PNY, is it really worth saving the money to go with them or would I be better off getting a more expensive 560ti from a more reputable brand. Are there any better cards that would be more worth the money?

Thanks!

 

[eyefinity]

Here is a review with the 6870 crossfire mauling your exact card in Sli with your card as solo too.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1104/pg1/asus-geforce-gtx-560-ti-directcu-ii-top-review-and-sli-performance-introduction.html

There is no chance at all that you get even close to the same performance with a single 560. You maybe *think* you do but you don't. You'd be lucky to even get close to the 6870's minimums in most games.

 

[jjb8675309]

that was the worst thing about the 6870 crossfire, terrible minimum fps across several drivers, I was fed up after waiting for 6 months, its a choice I made, dont be mad

 

[jjb8675309]

Here is a review with the 6870 crossfire mauling your exact card in Sli with your card as solo too.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1104/pg1/asus-geforce-gtx-560-ti-directcu-ii-top-review-and-sli-performance-introduction.html

There is no chance at all that you get even close to the same performance with a single 560. You maybe *think* you do but you don't. You'd be lucky to even get close to the 6870's minimums in most games.

Im well aware they maul the 560ti in raw performance, thanks thats the performance I was going for but in the end the overall experience was absolutely putrid, I won't explain myself any more to you rook

 

[eyefinity]

my your own f'ing business so concerned with others, im happy with my rig now enough said, don't need to explain myself thoroughly its already been done about 8 months ago when I was going through the problems with the crossfire setup. Wont explain myself, dont need to, especially to a troll like you

Oh so it just so happens that you had these two 6870's that were crap, but you don't want to talk about it to anyone. We just have to believe you. :lol:

In other news, I once had tri-sli 580's. Oh man they were awful! I swapped them out for a 4850 and never regretted it once!

 

[jjb8675309]

just saying ive had many threads in the far past about em so if you missed them, not my fault nor do I care, I dont think you would touch a 580 if your life depended on it, your just too damn ignorant

 

[eyefinity]

No I'd quite happily take a 580 if somebody would give me one actually. I sure as hell wouldn't be downgrading it the way you've been downgrading your gpu's.

Just face it, 6870 crossfire is massively faster than a single 570 or a single 560 barring those very, very few games where the drivers haven't been sorted out.

You were doing it wrong.

 

[jjb8675309]

nope the performance overall is much better with a single gpu I would never go back, at least not to crossfire 6870s

 

[eyefinity]

Yeah good luck convincing everybody of that one.

 

[jjb8675309]

dont have to most people aside from this thread know me :lol:

 

[spearphish]

Oh so it just so happens that you had these two 6870's that were crap, but you don't want to talk about it to anyone. We just have to believe you. :lol:

In other news, I once had tri-sli 580's. Oh man they were awful! I swapped them out for a 4850 and never regretted it once!

If AMD cards are so much better, why would you spend 1.5k on 3 580 ti's? And then "happily take a 580" when you have 3?

Lastly, if jjb8675309 has owned the cards, and you have owned the cards, I would take his opinion as being less biased. seeing as his name isn't Eyefinity.

And I hope that two 6870's and a 560 ti are competitive, but would you rather fill up your case and lose 100 bucks, or put some legs on your case, and be able to upgrade further when needed?

Is profanity really needed? He's only asked for an answer, not a debate. There's plenty of that around here already.
Let's just enjoy each other, and the fact that we all dig gaming?

 

[Magicmountainman]

Alright alright guys it's okay to feel passionately one way or the other, but how much of this actually pertains to the topic at hand? 😉

Anyways. My 3 questions still stand and I'd love for all of you to give them a go.

But another question, the extra gig of RAM on the 6950 wouldn't really help much for performance or "future proof" my card at all?

 

[spearphish]

For your first Q, this 560 ti got the Tom's Hardware Gaming performance recommendation, and is still a reasonable price if you don't plan to OC yourself.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127578
(Sorry my links are sloppy)

2, It's REALLY hard to speculate about BF3. It's the first release of the Frostbite 2.0 engine, so that's really up in the air.

3, I'm not the expert on editing, but a 2GB version of the AMD isn't ridiculously expensive. I'm not sure how much that'll help, but it is a definitely an advantage.

 

[Magicmountainman]

Video editing is starting to shift towards using the graphics card more heavily however I don't think that there is a single program optimized to use more than a gig of video card ram. Would that be the only thing that an extra gig would be beneficial for? Games don't really need it?

Oh and supposedly at Gamescom the builds that the Battlefield devs put together had 580s in SLI.

 

[eyefinity]

You newbies should know that jjb8675309 and matto17.. - have skillz and are respected in the Toms' community..
@ eyefinity - your bias has over-taken your grasp on reality.

Is that so? In that case I challenge every single one of them to prove what they are saying, and I'll do the same.

I *know* for a fact that I will win. In fact I know that they won't even try because *they* know that I can't lose.

I'm gonna let you into a little stunning secret mentalmal. This one could change your life forever.

It doesn't matter how many people lie when one tells the truth. The one telling the truth will always be the one telling the truth. It is totally impossible for me to lose any argument with these people about these cards because I'm the only one telling the truth.

Consider yourself enlightened.

 

[eyefinity]

Oh and by the way, when a bunch of people fall back on the lame assed argument of "x and y have lots of experience here and are well respected", then that just proves that you have absolutely no decent argument to any of my points.

That's another little thing you need to learn.

Apart from spearphish not a single nvidia fanboy has come up with any decent argument to any of my points or links. Not one.

 

[17seconds]

I've already made the only points that matter (maybe not all on this particular thread):
1) $177 for a PNY GTX 560 Ti with a lifetime warranty is an outstanding value. Buy it before the sale is over.

2) There can be no blanket statements such as one card performs better than the other in all situations. Some games prefer AMD's second tier card, the 6950; some games prefer Nvidia's third tier card, the GTX 560 Ti, even at its pitifully slow stock speeds.

3) Some people place a value on user experience versus just a focus on pure framerates. In the end, how pleased you are with your ownership experience (drivers, noise, graphical extras) can outweigh minimal gains in Frames Per Second.

4) If buyihng into the AMD experience means I get to come on internet forums and express my frustration with others who seem completely satisfied with their purchase of an Nvidia card, then no thanks, I'll pass.

 

[eyefinity]

I've already made the only points that matter (maybe not all on this particular thread):
1) $177 for a PNY GTX 560 Ti with a lifetime warranty is an outstanding value. Buy it before the sale is over.

Did I not agree?

2) There can be no blanket statements such as one card performs better than the other in all situations. Some games prefer AMD's second tier card, the 6950; some games prefer Nvidia's third tier card, the GTX 560 Ti, even at its pitifully slow stock speeds.

I agree, however over the average of them all the 6950 is clearly ahead by a good 10% or more.

3) Some people place a value on user experience versus just a focus on pure framerates. In the end, how pleased you are with your ownership experience (drivers, noise, graphical extras) can outweigh minimal gains in Frames Per Second.

I also agree, however having owned many Nvidia and AMD cards I can honestly say that neither is particularly better than the other in terms of drivers and noise or graphical extras. I've owned nvidia and AMD cards that had dodgy driver revisions, been noisy and both have plenty of "extras" to offer. I would generally go for the cheapest at the same performance level as that is what makes sense.

4) If buyihng into the AMD experience means I get to come on internet forums and express my frustration with others who seem completely satisfied with their purchase of an Nvidia card, then no thanks, I'll pass.

The problem is people like you are posting the same links over and over as "proof" that the 560 Ti is FASTER not better. It's not faster, it's actually almost slow enough to be in the next card range down.

 

[jjb8675309]

Oh and by the way, when a bunch of people fall back on the lame assed argument of "x and y have lots of experience here and are well respected", then that just proves that you have absolutely no decent argument to any of my points.

That's another little thing you need to learn.

Apart from spearphish not a single nvidia fanboy has come up with any decent argument to any of my points or links. Not one.

bro I thought you said you would stop the flame, I have why the disrespect, I dont need to explain myself all over again just because you were no where to be found on the forums 8 months ago

 

[eyefinity]

bro I thought you said you would stop the flame, I have why the disrespect, I dont need to explain myself all over again just because you were no where to be found on the forums 8 months ago

I'm not flaming you, but if people like malmental keep coming back saying the same things then I am forced to defend myself and I have no other way of doing it except asking where the proof is. Sorry.

 

[jjb8675309]

Im out too nothing being accomplished here

 

[Magicmountainman]

I was going to offer assistance but then thought better of it.

moderator thanks for the avatar removal.
@ magicmountainman - such avatars are disrespectful and Tom's isn't cool with prejudice and/or racism,
do not believe in activities of the KKK.
I still wish you well in you gfx card search.

Sorry about that, it was made as joke on another forum. I didn't mean to offend and I don't condone the KKK.

ANYWAYS I'll look through this thread more when I get home, but thank you to all of the people that have tried to give me an honest answer. It is appreciated as I have been out of the computer loop for about 2 years now.

But please, stop fighting. If anybody wants to prove somebody else wrong then prove them wrong with facts, stop just bashing each other. Please.

 

[FlintIronStagg]

Sorry about that, it was made as joke on another forum. I didn't mean to offend and I don't condone the KKK.

ANYWAYS I'll look through this thread more when I get home, but thank you to all of the people that have tried to give me an honest answer. It is appreciated as I have been out of the computer loop for about 2 years now.

But please, stop fighting. If anybody wants to prove somebody else wrong then prove them wrong with facts, stop just bashing each other. Please.

The 560Ti is a great value at that price. The 2gb from the ATI card only means that you will have better framerates at higher resolutions and/or multiple monitors. if thats your cup o tea, then go for the 6950; other wise the 560Ti is a great card. Ive owned nothign but amd/ATi in my machines from day 1, but when i saw a deal on a gtx570 i snatched it up and am equally happy with my nvidia card. Just disregard the bickering that is embarassing to read, and sift through what people are trying to say pertaining to your situation - the 560Ti is a great card, and at that price you should get it. But pertaining to the Vram, you wil NEVER use 2gb in the near future on a single monitor at 1920x1080. My 570 has 1.28 and i havent ever seen it go over high 900 mhz on any game as far as the dedicated ram go.

 

[Magicmountainman]

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[JAYDEEJOHN]

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