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Well, after some rethinking I decided to spend a little more and go with the 965P S3, instead of the G version and just bite the bullet and get a relatively cheap video card. It'll cost me about $40 more than going with the 965G, but this way I am sure that the board won't be my limiting factor in overclocking. I hear the S3 is identical to the ds3 except for the solid state capacitors, and I think the E4300 usually hits it's wall before the S3 does on the reviews I've seen.

Again, since I don't game I'm looking on the low end for video cards, and after looking around some, it looks like the GeForce 6200 series can unlock 4 extra pipelines as well as handle some overclock...I was looking at this. It's a GeForce 6200 128MB, 128 bit memory bandwidth, 4 pipeline (supposedly unlockable to 8 ), 300 MHz core (people have overclocked this to 400-500), 550 MHz memory (people have overclocked to ~650), all for $40 if I don't send in the $10 rebate...The only gripe some reviewers have had is that some people got a card that had a very loud fan. Since this is a low end card, and this forum is mostly high end users, most likely no one has any experience with the GeForce 6200...but if you happen to know anything about it, I'd like to hear your thoughts. Although I want to spend as little as possible on a vid card(under $50), I do want to get the best for my money...I am also wondering, how would this card compare to the 965G onboard card?

(maybe this question would be better placed in the graphics forum.....)

EDIT: specifics about possible vid card, and couple more questions.. :)
 
What are temps with the Freezer 7 like ?

Looking at buying an:

E4300
DS3
2GB 800MHZ RAM
AC 7 PRO
AS 5
X1950XT
(Have the rest)
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Well I'm seeing around 22-25c idle, and with Titan Quest running I hit 34-36c on each core, or thereabouts. The highest I saw was 55c, and that was only occasionally while running dual prime 95s or orthos dual core version. Heat at my current settings with the Freezer 7 has not been a concern. Oh, I am running the fan at 100% though. Honestly, its no louder then my system was before. Oh, and I left the MX-1 paste on. I have AS5, but heard good things about the MX-1. It's preapplied and guaranteed to be the correct amount since Arctic Cooling applied it themselves. Honestly, I'd recommend just using the preapplied MX-1.

The Gigabyte S3/DS3 has a wide range of fsb numbers it can hit, and I feel the E4300 would face other issues long before being limited by that. The S3 appears to be a solid board for OC'ing this processor in my opinion. DDR800 is nice to have, but unless you don't want to OC your 667 ram, or plan to go higher then 333 fsb, it's not necessary.
 
Okay got some links
early drivers gma x3000 vs gma950 (at bottom of article)
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/print.php?cid=6&id=2058

using the most recent 14.25 drivers ignore the synthetic scores and look at real world gaming benchmarks
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/chipsets/display/ig965-gf6150_12.html

gma950 compared to geforce 6200 for reference (read through the whole article for even more benchmarks)hit refresh if the article doesnt load
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1821813,00.asp

Conclusion
1.In real world gaming the GMA950 beats the GMA x3000 hands down even when the newest 14.25 drivers are used.
2.The geforce 6200 beats the GMA950 easily.

Hope this helps 😀
 
What are temps with the Freezer 7 like ?

Looking at buying an:

E4300
DS3
2GB 800MHZ RAM
AC 7 PRO
AS 5
X1950XT
(Have the rest)
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The Gigabyte S3/DS3 has a wide range of fsb numbers it can hit, and I feel the E4300 would face other issues long before being limited by that. The S3 appears to be a solid board for OC'ing this processor in my opinion. DDR800 is nice to have, but unless you don't want to OC your 667 ram, or plan to go higher then 333 fsb, it's not necessary.

The 800mhz RAM im getting is incredibly cheap. Hopefully i'll get it running at 4-4-4-12 @ 667mhz down from 5-5-5-15 @ 800mhz.
 
Well, I put the system in my sig together last Friday, was away all weekend, got to install it all (software) yesterday and then as a final thing before I went to bed, I followed WUSY's guide and put it straight to 333x9 (3GHz) and ran 3DMark06... Got a score of about 5300 or something. Not done any research on that score yet, so not sure how good it is... Is that an OK score?
 
Its me again, some of you may know I recently was building a computer on a budget.

Well I decided I was in awe of my little E4300, so I bought a second one and fitted it into a what I think was an 975X board (it was LGA775) out of what might of been an somewhat old Dell, the case was so damaged no one really knew what it was, that someone left at GeekSquad (I work at BestBuy)(it'd been there for months and when we contacted the owner, they said they did not want it).

Anyway, I took the old MOBO and got a few sticks of DDR2 (who knows what speed they were) and a few other nessecary components and went with it.

The motherboard was open air, so no case. Just the fan that came with the CPU and nothing else. Power supply was out of an HP a friend had on his shelf.

On first jump I took it to a 266 FSB, which put it right on 2.4 gigahertz. Second jump resulted in a 3 gigahertz or 333 FSB.

So then I decided to pump up the Vcore (thats right previously I had not bumped the Vcore) and go for the gold. But just then Pizza was finished and I went to pull it from the oven. My friend who gave me the RAM decided he could handle the next jump, so I left him to do it.

What happened next I did not witness, but apparently he bumped the Vcore and took it all the way to a 433 FSB! Thats 3.8 gigahertz!

Sadly, just as I finished slicing the pizza and pouring a coke, I heard what I shall forever now call "evil." I ran back into the room (spilling my coke) and lo-and-behold there was the motherboard on fire. Turns out he spilled his ice-tea on the board in glee, and made it worse by trying to pick it up and (now how did he figure this would help) pour the rest of his ice tea on it.

Well I got everything but the processor for free anyway, and since the processor was ok (we think) I sold it to him for half cost.

But it is possible to more than double the speed of the processor! He says he cannot remember what he set the Vcore to, Im certain everything was running really hot anyway, and if the board wasn't soaked in liquid death, the RAM would of exploded or something (it cannot of been good RAM).

So to sum up:
We hit very decent speeds on a stock Vcore.
Did not die when we put it at an extremely high clock speed.
975x boards work ok.
Lipton+MOBO=flamingmassofdoom
 
Well, I put the system in my sig together last Friday, was away all weekend, got to install it all (software) yesterday and then as a final thing before I went to bed, I followed WUSY's guide and put it straight to 333x9 (3GHz) and ran 3DMark06... Got a score of about 5300 or something. Not done any research on that score yet, so not sure how good it is... Is that an OK score?
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Well, 3dMark06 score will depend a lot on your graphics card as well, so it's hard to go off that alone. I know my score jumped up 1000pts with the overclock. I'm getting 8410 oc'd, but I have an 8800GTS. Your best bet might be to run the test without an overclock and compare it after oc'ing it.
 
Liek! OMFG! STFU!

Maybe that story is true, but I'm a little like this -> 8O

As far as I know, the custom BIOS on those vanilla PCs (Dell, HP and such) don't provide for any means of adjustment beyond enabling/disabling onboard devices, so I'd be very interested to hear precisely which motherboard it was you used... Or at least exactly which machine it came out of... And not knowing what kind of RAM!?!? So do you remember which memory multiplier you used?

Wow! Your friend had flammable ice tea!?!?! You sure is wasn't a 100% a.b.v. spirit of some description?

Anyway.... was an entertaining little story! Reminds me of the time I jump-started my car using a couple overclocked AA batteries... No one ever believes me!!!!!! But it's true! Honest! It is! Really! Honest-to-goodness! I did!
 
Liek! OMFG! STFU!

Maybe that story is true, but I'm a little like this -> 8O

As far as I know, the custom BIOS on those vanilla PCs (Dell, HP and such) don't provide for any means of adjustment beyond enabling/disabling onboard devices, so I'd be very interested to hear precisely which motherboard it was you used... Or at least exactly which machine it came out of... And not knowing what kind of RAM!?!? So do you remember which memory multiplier you used?

Wow! Your friend had flammable ice tea!?!?! You sure is wasn't a 100% a.b.v. spirit of some description?

Anyway.... was an entertaining little story! Reminds me of the time I jump-started my car using a couple overclocked AA batteries... No one ever believes me!!!!!! But it's true! Honest! It is! Really! Honest-to-goodness! I did!
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Lol, Im with you on this one!
 
Very nice gentlemen. Would love to do so myself if I had the $$$ at the moment. So, who's got some benchies for us compared to the other chips (e64XX and e63XX)???
 
So I just finished building my new system to include:

E4300
Giga 965P-S3
1 Gig Kingston 667 800mhz
XFX 7900 GS 256
**everything retail**
Plus all the normal stuff

now I haven't been around since the ole Celeron 300A days and Oc'ing it to 450....so I thought I would give this a go.

This was by far the easiest and happiest install I have ever done. (You kids have come a long way). Except for two things:

#1) That D@mn Stock Fan....I have 142 IQ and still this was tuff
#2) My monitor was apparently TOOOOOO old. >grin< Dont laugh. Y'all be old too someday


Now I have not overclocked this thing....YET. I am a little leary of doing it before I get my new cooler. (using the stock). I don't mind the stock fan or anything...just not the goo that goes on it. Wish I had the silver stuff before I put it on. Eh....oh well

Anyhow...I bought this case (when I saw this thing...I think I poo'ed from laughing so hard). BUT I LOVE THIS CASE.

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA22260

I have a freaking ceiling fan on the side of my case. Gotta love it. So anyhow the E4300 is sitting at 22C idle. Prolly cause of the ceiling fan. >grin< Anyhow when I get the new cooler....(Artic Freezer 7 pro). I'll put the goo on and the cooler and post back the Overclock.

Monk aka Spence

P.s. The case is SUPER quiet if you were wonderin
P.p.s. I just might go ahead and o'er clock it anyhow...just cause it is so happy. Plus I'll do it with all the stock stuff and voltages. I'll see if I can't get 3.0ghz. I'll post back soon...
 
Oh and plus....even with that ceiling fan on the side...there is STILL enough room for a Tuniq Tower or Zalman or the Artic. Lots o room


Monk aka Spence
 
Ok....been running Orthos Beta for 30 mins.

Everything is stock speeds and stock voltages
No aftermarket cooler yet and even using stock thermal stuff just that huge 25cm fan on the side that came with the case. (still whisper quiet)

e4300
Giga 965P-S3
XFX 7900 GS

@ 1.8 ghz stock and stock volts

Room @ 75deg Faren

CoreTemp Beta never saw above 45 deg Cel fully loaded
floats at about 20 deg Cel at idle

This made me feel much better about overclocking to 3.0 with stock everthing. I'll do that next and report back.


Monk
 
Ok....results are in.

E4300
Giga 965P-S3
1gig Kingston 667
XFX 7900GS 256
Western Digital 250 GB 7200 16mb cache
Mwave case 500w w/ 25cm side fan & 2 80mm exhaust fans one front one back
DVD/CD burner
floppy

Purchased everything at Mwave (never had a problem with them ever)
all for $700 (everything was retail). Picked it up at will call.

Stock Cooler and stock thermal stuff (waiting for Artic Freezer 7 pro)

Overclocked it like that last guy. 3.0ghz Stock volt set manually at 1.325V at 333bus and mem set to 2.0 to run at 667

Ran Ortho

Temps:
idle = 21C
Fully loaded = 59C (max ever saw and very rarely) usually hovered at 53C
I'm sure those will go down once I put on the new cooler. But that is very good still.

This has to be by far the best bang for the buck. This thing is rock stable and running cool.

I could not be happier!
 
I have Questions, currently i have a pentium D805 @3.8 GHZ now, if i was going to buy a core 2 duo e4300 or core 2 duo e6300 the differences is one it stock at 1.80GHz the latter is 1.86, is the e4300 so attractive because of its higher multiplier so it has less FSB strain when OCing? also if i bought either of these processors @ stock settings will they perform better than my D805 @ 3.8 GHz? and if they wont, how much of an over clock would i need to see better performance?
 
Ok to answer some questions:
1. Yes, we through everything together from we know what not and tried to overclock. Why? We had no intention of this thing lasting very long at all. Hell we were just happy it booted. If this thing did not work we were going to wait for my cousin to throw away his old P965 and use it (but we know not when the prices will drop on the E6700).
2. Actually, in retrospect, it was not the ice tea that set it ablaze. Looking at the board (you should see it, of course, you'd have to send me a digital camera) and clearing away some char, I see that the memory pins seem to be bent... he must of poured his ice tea on it to put it out (obviously did not help)(and if so, he lied to me about how the fire started, could he of been shell shocked by a blazing MOBO?). Could be due to or the cause of the blaze, these bent pins.
3. The power supply is a 380w supply. Thats whats left of the tag anyway all I can see is "380" with part of the 0, or at least what seems to be a 0, cut off.
4. The RAM was, he thinks, out of the same computer, and PC2 4200. That means stock it would do 533.
5. The FSB:RAM was 1:1.
6. This was not a Dell. Talking with the guys at GeekSquad we found out it was actually a Dell case, but the owners had replaced the MOBO and that was probably why they could not get it to POST (and had brought it to GeekSquad). PS: It is amazing the documentation you will find when you actually look in the file cabinent. IF you ever work at BestBuy, make sure you ask them to look there BEFORE they tell you there is free parts.
 
Ok to answer some questions:
1. Yes, we through everything together from we know what not and tried to overclock. Why? We had no intention of this thing lasting very long at all. Hell we were just happy it booted. If this thing did not work we were going to wait for my cousin to throw away his old P965 and use it (but we know not when the prices will drop on the E6700).
2. Actually, in retrospect, it was not the ice tea that set it ablaze. Looking at the board (you should see it, of course, you'd have to send me a digital camera) and clearing away some char, I see that the memory pins seem to be bent... he must of poured his ice tea on it to put it out (obviously did not help)(and if so, he lied to me about how the fire started, could he of been shell shocked by a blazing MOBO?). Could be due to or the cause of the blaze, these bent pins.
3. The power supply is a 380w supply. Thats whats left of the tag anyway all I can see is "380" with part of the 0, or at least what seems to be a 0, cut off.
4. The RAM was, he thinks, out of the same computer, and PC2 4200. That means stock it would do 533.
5. The FSB:RAM was 1:1.
6. This was not a Dell. Talking with the guys at GeekSquad we found out it was actually a Dell case, but the owners had replaced the MOBO and that was probably why they could not get it to POST (and had brought it to GeekSquad). PS: It is amazing the documentation you will find when you actually look in the file cabinent. IF you ever work at BestBuy, make sure you ask them to look there BEFORE they tell you there is free parts.
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i wish those were answers to my questions.
 
I have Questions, currently i have a pentium D805 @3.8 GHZ now, if i was going to buy a core 2 duo e4300 or core 2 duo e6300 the differences is one it stock at 1.80GHz the latter is 1.86, is the e4300 so attractive because of its higher multiplier so it has less FSB strain when OCing? also if i bought either of these processors @ stock settings will they perform better than my D805 @ 3.8 GHz? and if they wont, how much of an over clock would i need to see better performance?
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You are right on about why the E4300 is preferred over the E6300 if you are planning on overclocking. The higher multiplier allows the E4300 to reach higher speeds with lower FSB. Now if you don't overclock then go with the E6300 because of the higher FSB and slightly higher clock rate, since they are only about $10 different in price (at the moment).

I'm not an expert, but one thing you can do is to look at the CPU charts here on Tom's Hardware and see for your self what kind of differences there will be between the 805 and the lowest core 2 duo on the chart, the E6400. Of course, it looks like you have overclocked your 805 meaning that it will perform better than the 805 on the chart, and the 6400 is at a higher clock rate than the 6300, but this may work for a rough idea of what to expect. At stock speeds the 805 is usually at the bottom of the chart (depending on what benchmark you look at), and the 6400 is somewhere near the top. Now with your overclock, I would guess that the E6300 or E4300 at stock and your overclocked 805 might be pretty much even. However, I bet that any overclock of the 6300/4300 will put them above your 805. This is just a very rough estimate, so I could be wrong, but it seems pretty reasonable given the difference in performance of these 2 processors at stock.
 
Read from some chinese discussion groups at Hong Kong.

I myself brought the P5LVM-1394 and all overclock is not success so far. Could oc to 233 but then the build-in LAN port would fail.

The P5L-MX seems overclockable for E6300(some successful cases published before) but not for E4300. Similar case on P5LVM-1394.
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Sounds like you have only P4 FSB 800MHz and tested P5LVM-1394 with it.

Will you specify the URL of the source of the claim that the P5L-MX is not overclockable for E4300? (Chinese is OK.)
 
I found a successful overclocking case of E4300 with ASUS P5L-MX at FSB 1300MT/s = FSB 325MHz = CPU 2.93GHz.

E4300 Overclocks? at AnandTech Forums

i just got a 4300 setup 2 days ago
it is running happily at 2.65GHz on stock voltage
i havn't tryed to go higher yet as i don't wanna lower my ram speeds and am happy with this speed for now
also my board doesn't have vcore adjustment for some reason ... ASUS P5L-MX


i just updated my bios to the latest and pushed mine to 3.1Ghz on default voltage
tryed 350fsb but it wouldn't post right even with lower mem speeds
this looks like the limit for my chip without more vcore and/or better cooling
possibly the chipset/motherboard's limit also


i had to back down to 2.9GHz to be stable
the problem for me definately appears to be the motherboard not liking fsb speeds over 1300Mhz
if i could set the clock mult higher the cpu would almost certainly function over 3GHz stable
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Ok, I lowered my vcore to a 1.425 and this is where I am going to stay. Just like shown in the Anandtech forums. To get beyond 3.2 orthos stable I needed CRAZY voltage. So! 3.2 it is. Also running 400 x 8 did not work for me. But my memory is OC'd at this point. - G
 
I had the Fry's chip (tray with combo, did'nt use the board) stable @ 345 x 9. Returned it. Ordered the retail E4300 from the egg now stable @ 375 x 9.
 
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