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Darkbreeze

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More than G2 ? Eh, i don't think so but we will see when a couple of good reviews on this platform will come out.
And this is the thing that makes ALL the rest of the conversation about it, conjecture and guesswork. Without the benefit of a reputable review, it really doesn't even matter if a unit uses the same "platform" as another model. It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean the IMPLEMENTATION was done well, or that every (Or even most) of the features from that other unit were incorporated into this other unit. We have, for example, seen units using one platform that were very good examples of what a power supply should be and then other models using the same platform that were nothing similar in terms of performance in reviews.

If there is no reputable review, then a unit is simply a big, fat, question mark. Even if you know the platform and know that there are other units based on that platform that ARE good.
 
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Darkbreeze

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That is not true. He made it clear that Luke's opinion is not welcome. What is not seen here is the offline conversation that they had regarding this. He is updating the first post, with information that is relevant.

I don't know what your (by your I mean you LTT guys who built/support your tier list) obsession is with spreading the gospel of the LTT tier list across the internet is. You guys act like cultists trying to push this upon everyone. And if anyone disagrees with you, you all seem to take it personally.

Your contributions to the discussion are welcome, but when it you all turn it around to "you're wrong and I'm right because tier list" you lose your credibility. Its been explained, ad nauseam in this thread that we don't agree with your methodology. No amount of screaming it from the rooftops is going to change our opinion. So you can continue to be combative for your cult here, you can discuss rationally, or you can leave. Its up to you.
This, exactly, and for what it's worth I'm making this public as well, if you ARE part of that tier list over on LTT, then it's probably a good idea that you just shove off unless you are able to understand that THERE is THERE and HERE is HERE and the two things don't NEED to be aligned, in any way, at all. Because they are not ever going to be and that's something that Luke couldn't understand or agree with despite asking him politely and amicably, many times in private, to do just that.

Some people just don't understand that their way isn't necessary the only OR the right way, and that other ways are just as viable. Anybody who can't understand that, should probably just go back to where they came from and then everybody will be happy.
 

NightHawkRMX

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So yesterday i bought a brand new MSI Mech OC RX5700 8gb for around $300. It will be quite an upgrade from the 4-year-old RX480.

I am very excited, however, I'm a little worried my Corsair CX550M will not be quite enough since AMD recommends 600w. I do have an EVGA 600w, but its a W1 model and i am not risking that.

Do you think i can get by with the CX550M?
 

Darkbreeze

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550w is what is called for by spec for most of those units. We know that they spike though, although not as bad as the Vega models. I'd like to see a 650w unit, something of decent quality obviously, but you could probably get by with what you have now temporarily. If you notice any problems at all, especially in demanding situations, then you'll probably know why.
 

NightHawkRMX

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Antec is not very creative. At the minimum the Earthwatts gold, HCG Gold (at least the old S12ii based ones), and apparently the Neo Eco M being Seasonic based. There are probably more SeaSonic based ones sold now that I am unaware of. Not that I am saying there is anything bad about using SeaSonic platforms, though we know your opinions about the s12ii.

The people on Johnny guru seem to have concluded that both the Antec Neo Eco Zen and the EVGA GD600 are based on the same Andyson platform, so at least that's one recentish Antec model that is not Seasonic based.
 
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Darkbreeze

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Besides which, "based" is not the same as "same". We've seen PLENTY of platforms in the past that have had both good AND bad models based off of them. Plenty. It is not uncommon for a manufacturer to request models based on a successful platform, and then cut corners or insist on using less expensive components to build the unit while adhering to most of the platforms design, making a "platform X" based unit not anywhere near as good as the models that made the platform successful and achieved good reviews.

Not that that is the case in this case, because I'm fairly certain that they are not even remotely related anyhow.

Here is the inside of the NE550m. Looks nothing at all like the platform for the 550w Focus I see above.

 
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NightHawkRMX

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So as far as the CX550M and RX5700. Even after testing the 2, I'm not sure whether the CX550M can handle it.

I'd give it a hard maybe.

I first ran a little BeamNG and had no issues. Ran GTA and it ran great for a while, however then I got a hard shutdown. Black screen, no USB power. VGA light illuminated on board. Figured, ok, PSU isn't enough. However, at that point the card wasn't screwed in at all. I reseated the GPU+8pin and screwed the card in. I haven't had the issue reoccur, not even while running aida+MSI Kombustor simultaneously. Have played hours of GTA since, no issues.

I'm guessing the PSU is enough for the card+overclocked CPU under continuous load, but under the random spike it may not keep up. Even though it may not be a great idea, I think I'm not going to swap the PSU out until I get some money unless the issue gets common. PSU prices right now are out of control.

It seems like in GTA my Ryzen 5 2600 is holding me back, even with my 2x8gb ram overclocked to 3466mhz and the CPU clocked at 4.2ghz. With 1080p maxed settings I saw like 70% GPU usage and 80-90ish FPS. GPU didn't even get stressed remotely hard and was sitting at like 45c according to both MSI afterburner and HWmonitor. Setting the res scale to 150% made the GPU go to around 100% and the FPS was roughly the same maybe a little lower. Honestly, I have a 60hz panel, so I don't mind this.

The MSI RX5700 MECH is a cheap card, so I didn't have high expectations. Under stock operation, it runs fine and normal temperatures. It isn't too loud. Under torture with both Aida and MS Kombuster loading the GPU, it gets to low 80s and is audible, but quieter than my old Sapphire Nitro+ 480 for sure.

This really doesn't belong here which is why its in a spoiler.
 
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4745454b

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The cost of PSUs is crazy now. I got my Seasonic 550W on prime day last year and still spent ~$80ish I think. Might have been closer to $75. Years ago a good 550W was $60 no problem. $15 might not sound like much, but that's a 25% increase.
 

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So the NE550M is Seasonic Focus based? Do you have any additional photos or info?
https://csstalker.gjisland.net/blog/archives/4530
https://www.coolpc.com.tw/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=244827

the reviews are Chinese, since it's mainly a SKU sold in Asia

Here is the inside of the NE550m. Looks nothing at all like the platform for the 550w Focus I see above
correct, this is the older neo eco bronze, which is s12ii based

and FYI: Seasonic doesn't really do much modification to the level that CWT and others do, the platforms differ little outside of NZXT's e-series for focus.
 

NightHawkRMX

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The low end power supplies don't seem to be hurt too bad at least from evga.

I got an 600w white for like $45 a week ago. The 500w white was $39 or so. A little inflated perhaps but not as bad as a corsair cx550 for close to $80. Couldnt even find s cx550m

Just wish i could pick up that evga GD600w gold for $45 again since those seem to be pretty good.
 

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https://csstalker.gjisland.net/blog/archives/4530
https://www.coolpc.com.tw/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=244827

the reviews are Chinese, since it's mainly a SKU sold in Asia


correct, this is the older neo eco bronze, which is s12ii based

and FYI: Seasonic doesn't really do much modification to the level that CWT and others do, the platforms differ little outside of NZXT's e-series for focus.
Yes looks like a Focus Plus clearly:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14338/the-seasonic-focus-plus-gold-750fx-750w-psu-review/2

Maybe next time post a bit more context and links in your initial reply instead of trying to start an argument yet again. You wonder why people can't stand you and nobody listens to you here whether you're right or not. Posting like that is the reason.
 

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Just wish i could pick up that evga GD600w gold for $45 again since those seem to be pretty good.
yeah, for around that price they are good units... unfortunately production doesn't go as usual at both FSP and Andyson (there are two SKUs), so prices have gone through the roof with it

fortunately, once in a while you find units on discount for around 60-70 dollars that are in my eyes a bit better (for example EVGA GA and Antec Neo Eco Zen (which are both also andyson, actually) a couple days ago), but other days it can be nothing below 90 at this point
 

LukeSavenije

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Prices are awful right now. Its almost impossible to find a good PSU for under $99. Sometimes you catch something but stock is low on everything.
i expect it to be sold out in a couple days at this rate, but newegg has a couple segotep units going for very cheap

from the x50 watt i unfortunately don't know what it is, but the 500/600w versions (both modular and non-modular) are Fortech made units, similar to the Enermax Platimax DF with worse capacitors.

https://www.newegg.com/segotep-gp-series-600w-non-modular/p/1HU-00Z0-00008

(non-modular version)


(modular version)


(Enermax Platimax DF)

I'd say for it's current price it's a very good choice, but again, stock is still limited with current production
 

LukeSavenije

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Honestly, I don't know about that brand. Even if the unit is good value, i don't know how the brands customer service would be if i had an RMA
I mean... Newegg handles it here in this case, so that part should be fine

Quote from the seller profile: "Global seller enrolled in Newegg Return Service. Newegg will be responsible for processing RMA and general customer service."
 

Darkbreeze

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You should have seen the HUGE hassle I went through when they sent me a shattered TG side panel for my Define S. I think I mentioned it in the members systems gallery thread, but I might not have. PITA only half covers it. Totally their fault and they wanted nothing to do with making it right. Tried to get out of giving me a refund and then it took like three months to get the refund at the end of it all. That's when I pretty much stopped ordering anything from them. That was last summer or maybe last spring.
 

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