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SteveBeast said:
Ok unfortunately disabling the e cores didn't help at all. Cpu usage is still jumping from 30 to 90 every second. And temperature often jumps from 50 to 75. Also game is lagging very heavy.
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You said, you had i7-10700k and a different system before.
Did you reuse OS drive from this previous computer?

Motherboard change often requires reinstallation of windows, to run properly.
Did you reinstall windows?
 
SkyNetRising said:
You said, you had i7-10700k and a different system before.
Did you reuse OS drive from this previous computer?

Motherboard change often requires reinstallation of windows, to run properly.
Did you reinstall windows?
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Yep reinstalled everything from scratch , installed all drivers, updated everything, still this weird issue
 
SkyNetRising said:
Your AIO watercooling might be failing.
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Just bought it 2 years ago tough. And in other games the cpu load and temperature is fine. Only when using intel diagnostics tool it jumps immediately to 95 degrees. Or when starting a game the cpu workload and temps immediately jump up very high and normalize after a time just not in ck3 there the temps and the load is going up and down very high all time and then lagging
 
SteveBeast said:
Ok unfortunately disabling the e cores didn't help at all. Cpu usage is still jumping from 30 to 90 every second. And temperature often jumps from 50 to 75. Also game is lagging very heavy.

@geofelt activity is very high on the upper and lower line.

I really don't know what I could do anymore. Is this thermal bracket the only solution maybe?
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I recon so the temps shouldn't jump that high kind of indicate a bad cooler mount. The bracket allows for the CPU to be better flush to the cooler. If the temps jumping 50-75 then keeps climbing to Me it's a bad mount.
 
beyondlogic said:
I recon so the temps shouldn't jump that high kind of indicate a bad cooler mount. The bracket allows for the CPU to be better flush to the cooler. If the temps jumping 50-75 then keeps climbing to Me it's a bad mount.
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Weird I did it as good as I could. Tightened the screws, not too loose not to tight. I really don't know what I could change beside getting that thermal bracket

@SkyNetRising no just the intel turbo boost in the easy mode in bios
 
SteveBeast said:
Weird I did it as good as I could. Tightened the screws, not too loose not to tight. I really don't know what I could change beside getting that thermal bracket
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The CPU can warp due to high temperatures due to Intel's crappy holding of cpu to socket.

I had a guy on the forums a few months prior with a different issue where his CPU was so bent that it wasn't reading the ram properly with the bracket his issue was fixed. The bracket like I said straightens the CPU and makes it held in all 4 corners equal I recon your CPU temp is spiking higher which is causing it to thermal throttle. At least that's my theory.
 
beyondlogic said:
The CPU can warp due to high temperatures due to Intel's crappy holding of cpu to socket.

I had a guy on the forums a few months prior with a different issue where his CPU was so bent that it wasn't reading the ram properly with the bracket his issue was fixed. The bracket like I said straightens the CPU and makes it held in all 4 corners equal I recon your CPU temp is spiking higher which is causing it to thermal throttle. At least that's my theory.
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Ok I'll order it and see if it works
 
The E cores should not be getting any significant activity.
Somehow, the game is messing with the windows task manager.
Look to the game forums for some solutions.

The thermal bracket should do nothing significant if you mounted the cooler properly.
And, such devices can void your Intel warranty.
It really is only used for those seeking record overclocks.
 
geofelt said:
The E cores should not be getting any significant activity.
Somehow, the game is messing with the windows task manager.
Look to the game forums for some solutions.

The thermal bracket should do nothing significant if you mounted the cooler properly.
And, such devices can void your Intel warranty.
It really is only used for those seeking record overclocks.
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Ok but why does the cpu temps go up to 80 and the cpu workload up to 90-95 in every game when starting it up and go down then again after a while?

And how can it be that in intel diagnostics tool the temps immediately jump up to 95 degrees?

I was thinking that maybe the thermal bracket could really solve that?
 
SteveBeast said:
Ok but why does the cpu temps go up to 80 and the cpu workload up to 90-95 in every game when starting it up and go down then again after a while?

And how can it be that in intel diagnostics tool the temps immediately jump up to 95 degrees?

I was thinking that maybe the thermal bracket could really solve that?
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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...warping-and-bending-issues-mods-void-warranty

https://www.anandtech.com/show/17231/the-intel-core-i3-12300-review-quad-core-alder-lake-shines/2

It will solve it I think so will Intel admit fault with socket nope.

Evidence is better then maybes.

I find there's no risk of damage with thermalright bracket unless you go over nuts on the tightening.
 
ok im gonna think about it but i think theres no other options right? i reinstalled the game multiple times and couldnt find anything on the internet related to CK3 having this high CPU Usage. So i guess the bracket would be the only choice left-
 
https://ibb.co/Kb8TnJf

Btw thats how my CPU Graph with the P and E Cores looks like in the Task Manager after playing a few seconds Crusader Kings 3 on Speed 5.

https://ibb.co/qmptJb8

And thats the CPU Temps and the Usage when I was starting up Cyberpunk 2077.
Can someone explain to me why the CPU Usage goes to 100? Maybe my CPU is faulty and i should return it? or maybe my watercooler is fault? How could i see that?

Ok now I tried something new.
I turned off Autosave and Cloudsaving and Ironmode.
CPU Usage seems to be much better now in the 50s. So do you guys think thats the issue? But how would I save then?
 
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so now i installed the contract frame for my i7 14700k now and corretly by tutorial on youtube.
then i started hogwarts legacy.
when started up temps went immediatly to 96 and the game crashed. What can cause this? Is my CPU broken now because of that intense heat?
 
It really sounds like your CPU is not abiding by Intel's stock configuration. Try checking HWMonitor to see what it's showing for PL1/2.

Also the X63 launched before LGA1700 was released so they had a separate bracket available. It sounds like you didn't buy it until after LGA1700 came out so I'd assume they changed packaging and it came with the proper bracket, but this would be worth double checking.
 
just bought this cpu by amazon. so it really could be broken?
And i mean i installed the contact framy by thermallake which is supposed to redude the heat this one:

thermal frame

PL1 shows while browsing the internet: 4095,9 W and PL2 the same.
I have the right X63 bracket i checked.

And yeah the weird thing is that the CPU Usage shoots up to 100% and the CPU Temps most of the the time to 85 Degrees when starting up a game and then goes back to normal after a few seconds.
What could that be?
 
SteveBeast said:
I have the right X63 bracket i checked.
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I assumed, but never hurts to check.
SteveBeast said:
PL1 shows while browsing the internet: 4095,9 W and PL2 the same.
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So your motherboard is running without power limits and this is the likely problem you're having. I'm not familiar with the current MSI BIOS, but there should be something relating to power limits and/or multicore which is controlling this. You'll want to enforce the stock power limits and then give it a try.
 
thestryker said:
I assumed, but never hurts to check.

So your motherboard is running without power limits and this is the likely problem you're having. I'm not familiar with the current MSI BIOS, but there should be something relating to power limits and/or multicore which is controlling this. You'll want to enforce the stock power limits and then give it a try.
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Ok so I can change that in the bios? Is there a tutorial?
I never changed something in the bios just updated it shouldn't it be the stock power limits by default?
And if I change it to stock can it hurt my system or reduce fps of my games?
Or could it be the issue because intel turbo boost is enabled? I heard without it the cpu has a lot less power. But I haven't overclocked only the intel turbo boost
 
SteveBeast said:
I never changed something in the bios just updated it shouldn't it be the stock power limits by default?
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MSI doesn't run stock Intel settings by default which is the issue (it's something I really wish motherboard manufacturers would stop).
SteveBeast said:
And if I change it to stock can it hurt my system or reduce fps of my games?
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No it won't hurt anything.
SteveBeast said:
Or could it be the issue because intel turbo boost is enabled? I heard without it the cpu has a lot less power. But I haven't overclocked only the intel turbo boost
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Turbo has literally nothing to do with this.
SteveBeast said:
Ok so I can change that in the bios? Is there a tutorial?
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Yes it can be changed in the BIOS, and no I don't know of any tutorials though you may be able to find something. I'm guessing at some point the system prompted to choose a cooler type and you chose water because that's what you have, but that also removes the power limits. I believe you need to go to advanced mode in the BIOS to change it which I think is the simplest way to enforce power limits.

From what I'm seeing in the BIOS manual once you put it in advanced, go to OC and there should be an option which says "CPU Cooler Tuning" and in there it should have the power limits with the associated cooler types. I think "Tower Air Cooler" is the setting you want as that one should be around 250W which will be closest to Intel stock.
 
thestryker said:
MSI doesn't run stock Intel settings by default which is the issue (it's something I really wish motherboard manufacturers would stop).

No it won't hurt anything.

Turbo has literally nothing to do with this.

Yes it can be changed in the BIOS, and no I don't know of any tutorials though you may be able to find something. I'm guessing at some point the system prompted to choose a cooler type and you chose water because that's what you have, but that also removes the power limits. I believe you need to go to advanced mode in the BIOS to change it which I think is the simplest way to enforce power limits.

From what I'm seeing in the BIOS manual once you put it in advanced, go to OC and there should be an option which says "CPU Cooler Tuning" and in there it should have the power limits with the associated cooler types. I think "Tower Air Cooler" is the setting you want as that one should be around 250W which will be closest to Intel stock.
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Ok but shouldn't I set it to watercooling as I have a watercooler? Could there not be any issues with my watercooler if I switch it to tower air cooler?
 
SteveBeast said:
Ok but shouldn't I set it to watercooling as I have a watercooler? Could there not be any issues with my watercooler if I switch it to tower air cooler?
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It's just the name of a power profile rather than having anything to do with cooling. When they were originally implemented there were power limits on all of them, but with LGA1700 the water cooling setting removes all power limits.
 
thestryker said:
It's just the name of a power profile rather than having anything to do with cooling. When they were originally implemented there were power limits on all of them, but with LGA1700 the water cooling setting removes all power limits.
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ok thanks for the tip, temperatures seem to be better now, altough i got a quick game freeze, altough i dont know if its connected to that. I just get those weird cpu temp fluctuations all the time, dont know why.

So i set the power limit to 288 now instead of the 4000 something.

But are you sure it cant hurt the watercooling or cpu, because no the components get much less power or watt? Will they still run fine? And because I have a rtx 4070 which draws a lot of power, will it not get enough power then?
 
SteveBeast said:
But are you sure it cant hurt the watercooling or cpu, because no the components get much less power or watt? Will they still run fine? And because I have a rtx 4070 which draws a lot of power, will it not get enough power then?
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It's only going to impact CPU power, and the stock power limit for the 14700K is 253W so you're still above that.
 
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