Ps3 video card = what in pc video card?

[eccentric909]

Why limit yourself to one or the other?

I'll own all 3 next gen consoles and a gaming PC. I'm an avid gamer and hold no allegiance to any specific platform. All systems have an appeal to me. 😀

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

A laptop that games like a console would cost you a shitload, a mini pc would be less expensive and a bit larger.

My laptop games better than an Xbox or PS2 & GC, only the X360 is better, and after you add in CASE+CPU+VPU+MEMORY+HDD+LCD+KEYBOARD+UPS, etc. I doubt the mini PC is that much cheaper.

Gaming Laptops are more expensive, but not as much as before.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Technically speaking the Xbox 360 is still technologically superior to PCs in the graphics department and was superior at launch in the CPU department, however it still depends on whether anyone can exploit those advantgages.

Not true at all. I use owned one up until a couple of weeks ago and recently sold it on Ebay because I just didnt see the need in having it along with my PC.

I have pretty much played every game thats available for both on the 360 and the PC. COD2, Prey, Condemned, Oblivion, Hitman Bloodmoney. ETC...

The PC versions have a good lead over the 360 counter parts with higher res textures, the PC does AA better and AF plus even with these added features I get far better framerates on my PC.

You're missing my point, and yes I know it was kinda unclear, but I tried to focus on the specific aspect.
Something can be technologically superior, without actually exploiting the full capabilities, AF being a perfect example, Xenos+CPU could do it, but is not. Don't get me wrong there's little I've seen on the X360 to say X360>X1900, in fact nothing, but techologically speaking Xenos>X1900 in most aspect with a few small exceptions like AF (which isn't necessary if the devs specifically gear their games for the consoles, but since they're lazy you notice the lack of AF).

B3D's feature list does a good job of exposing the differences;
http://www.beyond3d.com/articles/xenos/index.php?p=09

I dont know why but when it comes to AF filtering the 360 games seriously lack in that department which leads to muddy looking textures which just kills the whole experience for me.

No support for Trillinear AF in hardware (billinear only IIRC) for the Xenos, but if the devs did a better job with the textures at the same res it would look the same, what AF also does is enhance beyond reference, so high AF can make a good picture look better, but occasionally make them slightly artificially worked up.

And as for the CPU in the 360 it was actually outdone by PC Cpu's a good while before it even came out. It has been explained in tech articles about the 360's CPU being able to only read inorder code vs out of order code on your typical intel or amd cpu. The performance of the 360 CPU is about equivilant to a pentium 4 1.5ghz cpu.

Well it's a question of use, for what it's geared to do it was way ahead on the technical side, but as a general purpose CPU it wasn't as flexible, but it was using far more advanced techniques at the time of launch, which are now being carried over into other areas.

Another article also proved it to be only roughly 2 times the power of the Xbox CPU.

And this is the thing I was trying to stress, not power but technology superiority, speed is a slightly different function and I easily grant it's not very powerful in raw power, just like the Xenos, but they were the cutting edge of technology at the time.

I'm in no way saying Xbox360>PC nor Xenos more powerful than X1900 (in fact usually argue the opposite) but the Xenos is definitely technologically more advanced, but that's not the same as better or more powerful.

It's like the GMA965/3000 may be SM4.0 compliant and may have some tehnological advantages over many current VPUs, but it likely won't game near an SM2.0 X700 let alone a GF7600/X1650 or higher, and can't use SM4.0 features in games any more than as a slide show feature. Sorta same thing IMO.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

BTW, note, the fix in my original post, X360 IIRC does support BILLINEAR, just not TRILLINEAR AF IIRC.

You can programm it to do Tri AF, IIRC, but I think it's a huge headache/overhead to achieve if I remember the discussions when the Xenos first launched.

So technically the DEVs could make them better as an option, but likely the performance penalty would kill their goal of solid 30fps, just a thought without having the chance to look into it further while at work.

 

[Dr_asik]

Trinilear anisotropic filtering? Isn't trinilear filtering and anisotropic two different methods of texture filtering? :?

 

[arafay1]

Do you all know what was the topic...........



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[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Trinilear anisotropic filtering? Isn't trinilear filtering and anisotropic two different methods of texture filtering? :?

They're progressive methods, but full AF uses Trillinear filtering in the process. When talking of AF it's a question of methodology, and the point is that there is filtering options available, but with only Billinear in hardware Full AF is not an option, but texture filtering is, and that was sorta my point. When trying to type while working things just mash together. But AF NEEDS Trillinear Filtering to function at normal AF. You can do BiAF but that ends up as nV's Brillinear filtering, and then you still need a portion of Trillinear. They are all a subset of texture/texel filtering, but you're right they are technically different.

For this I was simplifying to: Bi<Tri<FullAF

Actually and angular-biased AF < Full/HQ AF.

Sorry should've been more specific.

Do you all know what was the topic

Yes, but it's already been answered and covered, now we're onto our own concerns. IF you want the answer click the '1' at the top/bottom of your screen.

 

[buckiller]

this may be extremely arrogant but how many of the majority of people who buy consoles would even know better exists. would they even know theres such thing as image filtering and what it actually looks like.

arrogant i know but might be true. ignorance is bliss as they say.

Most everyone I know that has a console agrees that my PC kicks its ass....

SO in general i think people that have consoles know their is an alternative out there... but that doesnt mean they have to have the best at all.

Hell, I know better exists (i have a killer PC) but i still have my xbox for halo2 and all the old school consoles for awesome nostalgia when i playan old game (i will get the Wii)

 

[bendarulz]

I dissagree with the fact that you guys think that consols are just for noobs. And that PC's are for "true people". Seriously, why is it that basically all pc gamers act like pricks on these forums. That may change once I get my artic silver 5... its the last piece i need for my conroe system, but still. You guys need to lay off. 8O

i must agree i cant fit 8 people in front of my pc like i can my ps2 and just rumble.Everything has its place.

 

[enforcer22]

Saying im stupid because i cant spell is like saying einstien is a idiot cuz he cant add 2+2 but im not mad i expect that sort of short sitedness from people. Infact i was not calling him a idiot i was simply saying dont use a resalution that sucked he cant o well. Just to make my point clear i dont care if you use a computer or a console to play game i was only giving my opinion of why i dont use consoles. I would like to see a TV that can look as clean as my 24" though i wanted to get a 65" lcd HDTV and use it for a monitor XD not primaraly of course. Just remember my objective here isnt to say someone is a idiot ot say they are stupid for thier choice in gaming rig i preffer the PC.

P.S. i might get a wii since im sick fo downloading roms from the games i actualy liked. I use to use consoles all of them actualy stopped after the genesis and the snes even had all the hand helds including the one from atari. Hope they include alll the titles they made for other systems before they made the nintendo but if not i have a atari and intelavision in a attic somewhere.

 

[impreza]

Technically speaking the Xbox 360 is still technologically superior to PCs in the graphics department and was superior at launch in the CPU department, however it still depends on whether anyone can exploit those advantgages.

Not true at all. I use owned one up until a couple of weeks ago and recently sold it on Ebay because I just didnt see the need in having it along with my PC.

I have pretty much played every game thats available for both on the 360 and the PC. COD2, Prey, Condemned, Oblivion, Hitman Bloodmoney. ETC...

The PC versions have a good lead over the 360 counter parts with higher res textures, the PC does AA better and AF plus even with these added features I get far better framerates on my PC.

I dont know why but when it comes to AF filtering the 360 games seriously lack in that department which leads to muddy looking textures which just kills the whole experience for me.

The best thing about the 360 is its GPU with Unified shaders, the only draw back however is the low clock speed of only 500mhz. The X1900XTX might not have a unified shader engine but it makes up for that deficiency in sheer speed and processing power over the 360's GPU. Plus dont forget we can overclock, I have my X1900XT@730mhz core and 832mem. 360's GPU cant touch that.

And as for the CPU in the 360 it was actually outdone by PC Cpu's a good while before it even came out. It has been explained in tech articles about the 360's CPU being able to only read inorder code vs out of order code on your typical intel or amd cpu. The performance of the 360 CPU is about equivilant to a pentium 4 1.5ghz cpu.

Another article also proved it to be only roughly 2 times the power of the Xbox CPU.
exactly, I've had this argument with fanboys on gamespot mant times and they all say that 3 cores and unifed shaders make it better. so does oblivion run much better on pc?

 

[impreza]

exactly, I got a toshiba earlier in the year for $2000nzd and it run every game fine on med settings, and its smaller than xbox or the big ps2.

 

[sillywabbit]

this may be extremely arrogant but how many of the majority of people who buy consoles would even know better exists. would they even know theres such thing as

Hell, I know better exists (i have a killer PC) but i still have my xbox for halo2 and all the old school consoles for awesome nostalgia when i playan old game (i will get the Wii)

One point you make: gaming in general (not from our PC perspective) is more software driven. GrapeApe stated differently butI know many people who will buy a console system in addition to their PC just so they can play some of the great console hits not available on PC.

 

[mandraque]

I think most PC gamers game for different reasons...I have a PC, Xbox and Xbox 360. There are certain things that each one does better than the other. U can see this just by looking at what people are playing on their PC. The consoles are definately better in the sports game department, I never see Madden on anyones now playing list. PC's arent as easily capable of accomadating a group of people. I've never went over a friends house and 8 of us sat around playing each other in game on the PC. However in households all over the world this happens daily with games that can't be done on a PC without a super graphics card and large display. A console can easily be moved. How many people with a PC has thrown it in their bookbag and took it to a friends house or on a trip. BTW my Xbox is modded and I wouldnt trade it for anything...250GB hard drive and Xbox Media Center! I can't even tell you the last time I played a game on it.

The bottomline of my opinions is that people that only swear by PC gaming dont have any real friends (people they can actually touch not someone 300 miles away over the internet or someone they dont really know at a LAN party). PC's are great for individual use (gaming over the internet or single player).

ok tell me about any console clans? oh right they dont have many. I play CSS and BF2 allways with the same great group of guys. Consoles are better for sports, but cant you surf the internet, use photoshop, 3dsmax and many other non-console stuff on you 'xbox'. Its alot better to invest in a great PC that you can use for gaming among other things, than a simple console. btw, no console game has ever had similar success to many of the legendary PC games (CSS among others). you play a console game for a month at most and thats it, nothing new.

 

[uber_g]

Tbh, whatever floats your boat. I choose not to buy consoles because its my feeling that I like PC's functionality and flexibility more. Then again its always nice to be able to just hit "power" and start a game up - which is where the console fits in = simplicity.

Why do I have to agree with this? :lol: :twisted:

IMO, consoles are for n00bs, who can't use a computer. PCs are for true people. It also seems to be PC games are better quality in graphics, and gameplay.

im waiting on my x1900xt (256mb ) 😀

or the 7900gto ( really really good price/perf )

im stressin if my 500 watt PSu will handle it

 

[Heyyou27]

Both cards will work fine with your PSU.

 

[Clob]

I think most PC gamers game for different reasons...I have a PC, Xbox and Xbox 360. There are certain things that each one does better than the other. U can see this just by looking at what people are playing on their PC. The consoles are definately better in the sports game department, I never see Madden on anyones now playing list. PC's arent as easily capable of accomadating a group of people. I've never went over a friends house and 8 of us sat around playing each other in game on the PC. However in households all over the world this happens daily with games that can't be done on a PC without a super graphics card and large display. A console can easily be moved. How many people with a PC has thrown it in their bookbag and took it to a friends house or on a trip. BTW my Xbox is modded and I wouldnt trade it for anything...250GB hard drive and Xbox Media Center! I can't even tell you the last time I played a game on it.

The bottomline of my opinions is that people that only swear by PC gaming dont have any real friends (people they can actually touch not someone 300 miles away over the internet or someone they dont really know at a LAN party). PC's are great for individual use (gaming over the internet or single player).

I just love it when people pull the "No friends" or "No life" card... I have a full time job. I go to school. I have enough friends. My girlfriend loves me. I spend my spare time on my PC because it is an interest. I do find consoles a waste of my money. Note that I did say "my" money! I find a consloe to me extremely limited, in every aspect I can think of. So because "I swear by PC gaming" means that I dont have any real friends. I do find that statement to be quite ignorant.

If someone enjoys their console more than a PC, then thats fine... It surely does not affect me.

Edit: I found this post a bit late and did not read through to see that the flmes had stopped! OOps 😳 Forgive me if I start another one.

Edit2: Never mind that... I cant help it if people flame... Not my fault :!:

 

[buckiller]

ok tell me about any console clans? oh right they dont have many. I play CSS and BF2 allways with the same great group of guys. Consoles are better for sports, but cant you surf the internet, use photoshop, 3dsmax and many other non-console stuff on you 'xbox'. Its alot better to invest in a great PC that you can use for gaming among other things, than a simple console. btw, no console game has ever had similar success to many of the legendary PC games (CSS among others). you play a console game for a month at most and thats it, nothing new.

As far as your comments about "btw, no console game has ever had similar success to many of the legendary PC games (CSS among others). you play a console game for a month at most and thats it, nothing new." is retarded... go look at a list of the top games (generally concensus) and it will be full of old Atari, SNS, N64, Xbox etc games.... among PC games.... Ever heard of Halo2/Halo? People have been playing that since release, multiple millions of people...

Also, console clans, there are plenty since many games allow creating clans for that game. Rainbow Six, halo 2 etc. Halo 2 is in CAL, and last i checked it is always a major game at competitive PC Lans even...

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

i must agree i cant fit 8 people in front of my pc like i can my ps2 and just rumble.Everything has its place.

This just proves the point that some people just don't understand their PCs nor what constitutes their limits.

Move your PC out of your bedroom and into the livingroom like the console and you can easily fit 8 people in front of it.

Seriously come up with a better argument instead of regurgitating the ones that have already been shot down as BS.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

One point you make: gaming in general (not from our PC perspective) is more software driven. GrapeApe stated differently butI know many people who will buy a console system in addition to their PC just so they can play some of the great console hits not available on PC.

How did I state differently, I said that console makers RELY on that as well in order to sell their wares, which otherwise would not move as many products. I am one who bought the Xbox because of Halo2, but if they had been both PC and Console, I'd never bother with a console again except for at work.

The 'only available on a console' doesn't make the console better, it makes the developers sellouts for limiting it to console only, and in most cases the title would function better on PC if not a lousy port like HALO for PC.

 

[bendarulz]

i must agree i cant fit 8 people in front of my pc like i can my ps2 and just rumble.Everything has its place.

This just proves the point that some people just don't understand their PCs nor what constitutes their limits.

Move your PC out of your bedroom and into the livingroom like the console and you can easily fit 8 people in front of it.

Seriously come up with a better argument instead of regurgitating the ones that have already been shot down as BS.
Well for starters not many pc games have 8 player compatability without setting up a lan,and secondly my pc has its own room kinda like my plasma and ps2 have their own room,computer room and living room.Why dont ya get overyourself.Like i said everything has its place.Like your foot in your mouth.

 

[enforcer22]

Rainbow 6 was ported to console from pc and halo2 was a original console game however CAL which i was a head admin of a division doesnt bother with console games (unless that has changed which i didnt find proof of) I'm sure the halo2 division you speak of is the pc version of the game. Ofcourse he said exclusively console halo is defanitly not exclusivly console. The division i was a part of requiered IRC channels for each registered clan I'm sure its not the same for each but as far as i know thats not something you can do on a console. Granted there is voice control in a console but for me ventrilo there is no substatute. But ill say consoles are way easyer to setup in a living room you can install a bunch of mice and keyboards to a single computer and alot of games will let you do that but its to much pain. Though consoles would limit games to things like fighters, racing and sports games, Try playing a fps on a console? XD and RTS the controlers are to slow anyone with a keyboard mouse combo would rip you a new one in those two game types. RPG would be easy to do on a console however. For me its a easy awnser i cant stant sports games racing games and fighters. since RPG is the only one i like that would be fun to play on either consoles dont make sense at all for me. You dont need to buy a console to play any classics btw i have a nen snes emulater that allows me to play all my old favs like i said i might get a wii to play hte nintendo ones since they were the only console company that really made games i liked but i dont really lose anything by running it in a emulation environment.

 

[sillywabbit]

I never implied games being available only on a console makes a console better. I agree with you that PC's are far superior and I'm much more of a PC fan than any console. My point is (and this is not directed specifically at you grapeape) there are positives on both platforms. Even though consoles may never be up to par with PC's especially when it comes to graphics, gameplay is by far more important than eye candy at least to me. Hey, that's why I buy the retro classics from Atari, still play the original Unreal Tournament(PC), have fond memories of Metal Gear Solid and FFVII and numerous other games.

Can't we all just get along

 

[cronic]

okay i did some researching and find were they say the video card in the ps3 matches close to that of the nvidia 7800 gtx. Now i need the video card comparison to the xbox 360 video card.

the gfx card in the xbox 360 is roulghly equivilent to the x1900xtx

 

[buckiller]

Rainbow 6 was ported to console from pc and halo2 was a original console game however CAL which i was a head admin of a division doesnt bother with console games (unless that has changed which i didnt find proof of) I'm sure the halo2 division you speak of is the pc version of the game. Ofcourse he said exclusively console halo is defanitly not exclusivly console. The division i was a part of requiered IRC channels for each registered clan I'm sure its not the same for each but as far as i know thats not something you can do on a console. Granted there is voice control in a console but for me ventrilo there is no substatute. But ill say consoles are way easyer to setup in a living room you can install a bunch of mice and keyboards to a single computer and alot of games will let you do that but its to much pain. Though consoles would limit games to things like fighters, racing and sports games, Try playing a fps on a console? XD and RTS the controlers are to slow anyone with a keyboard mouse combo would rip you a new one in those two game types. RPG would be easy to do on a console however. For me its a easy awnser i cant stant sports games racing games and fighters. since RPG is the only one i like that would be fun to play on either consoles dont make sense at all for me. You dont need to buy a console to play any classics btw i have a nen snes emulater that allows me to play all my old favs like i said i might get a wii to play hte nintendo ones since they were the only console company that really made games i liked but i dont really lose anything by running it in a emulation environment.

I know Rainbow 6 series is all on PC, just telling you there are a ton of clans for that on xbox.

Halo 2 Division in CAL is for the console version, theyve already completed one season (it is relatively new) They also have many other leagues that use Halo2 as a division.

I agree a bunch with you on the controls of consoles... however many of you PC players forget that in FPSs console kiddies have a little thing called auto aim and PC players dont (in almost all cases) So once people start playing console vs PC with Halo 3.... I would expect console players to do a little better (as long as the same auto aim is used ) because, if you have ever seen vids of halo 2 multilayer done by players, you will notice its always headshot after headshot after headshot.... prolly about 90% headshots... I realize this is possible on PC, but it requires more skill to do, show me a player that can do that consistently in CSS and im sure that player will be one of the best.

As for RTSs, definately. However, there is a game coming out for Xbox360 only called Halo Wars... Its being designed ground up as a console RTS so we'll see how that goes.