Ps3 video card = what in pc video card?

[enforcer22]

Well one thing is for sure if the console and pc versions were compatable the servers that allowed auto aim would be considered cheat servers. I realise consolers would considerably be destroyed by reactions controlers would limit them by but i would compleatly agree with the fact auto aim on a server would have to be considered cheating. Anyways its not my intention to argue the point even if CAL has decided to make a console only division doesnt make the game its self console only and to me a auaot aim game that allows auto aim is no more "compatition" then the CS division allowing aimhacks.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Well for starters not many pc games have 8 player compatability without setting up a lan,

And most consoles don't support 8 controllers out of the box either, so your argument is once again moot.

[quote[and secondly my pc has its own room kinda like my plasma and ps2 have their own room,[/quote]

That's your limitation, not the PC's. My Laptop goes everywhere including my HDTV in the living room and the Plasma at work. So try to explain your point again other than your misunderstanding.

computer room and living room.Why dont ya get overyourself.

Sound like you're projecting there boy. Get over your own damn self. Your reasoning is flawed, and the reality is it's you who's the problem, not PCs.

Like i said everything has its place.Like your foot in your mouth.

That's not the case, but even if it were, I'd rather have my foot in my mouth than my head up my a$$ like you have.

So once you can come up with a valid statement then try to reply, until they stick to the "everything in it's place" mentality knowing full well that yours obviously isn't here.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

My point is (and this is not directed specifically at you grapeape) there are positives on both platforms.

Yeah, I agree the thing that gets me though is all the BS used to try and promote Consoles, when the biggest detractor right now is the PC OS most games run on, but people are focusing on Bogus interface and other made up issues (like everything in it's place :roll: ). The biggest reason why I tell non-savvy friends ot get a GameCube or Xbox is because the maintenance is lower because they divide things into their rarely used PC for word/surfing, and then thei console for gaming. For work, a PC for gaming in the break room would be a nightmare, but the 2 Xboxs we have hooked up to the plasma are fine, and require little maintenance (other than the fact that they're getting old and have disk read errors). That is a great reason for OTHER people to buy consoles over PCs, but for those of us here who're intimate with various OSes, hardware, etc that's not much of a 'new' concern is it, it's part of the rest of our activities.

Even though consoles may never be up to par with PC's especially when it comes to graphics, gameplay is by far more important than eye candy at least to me. Hey, that's why I buy the retro classics from Atari, still play the original Unreal Tournament(PC), have fond memories of Metal Gear Solid and FFVII and numerous other games.

Definitely and sometimes the DEVs gear better options based on their perception of controller options even mundane things like inventory menus, etc, like in Morrowind and Oblivion, whose inventory management I prefer on Xbox, but I prefer to play on PC. My favourite PSP game right now (other than Mercury whihc had me addicted from day 1) is the Midway Arcade classics. I love the game selection, but personally wish I could get it on PC because the controller sucks for some games like Gauntlet, Paperboy and really I'd prefer the option of choosing my favourite controller than being stuck with the limited offerings.

Can't we all just get along

Definitely, it'd just be nice if people would stop posting the bogus arguments. I just don't understand why people who obviously have limited experience with either feel compelled to post at all.

I've been playing Console and PC games since the beginning, and yes I mean the VERY beginnig. One thing about having parents who worked for IBM, we always had or had acess to the coolest toys, heck I played an original commercial pong game when my parents went to play for the IBM curling team, and I played games on mainframes at their work and on the P.E.T., Apple][, IBM PC, Vic20/C64, Original MAC, and so on.

My personally opionion is both have their market and both have good and bad factors, but consideirng this was primarily a hardware thread co-opted into a factions tread I'm not about to let consollers start posting BS about why they can't figure out how to use their PCs. It's also stoopid on their part to be posting this in a PC hardware forum.

But I guess their forum isn't active enough for them;
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/games/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewforum&f=175&sid=fe6037c19fb8c84e23b0097c5e2ab5c9&fex=Console-Gaming

Perhaps consoles need better browsers, :twisted: , I know my PSP works fine for browsing. 8)

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

so does oblivion run much better on pc?

Hell yes it does. If you have a good enough PC it will run circles around it on the outside parts plus the PC has higher res textures and more vegitation around and the addition of AF to get rid of the blur fest that plagues that of the 360 :roll:

The 360's level of detail in Oblivion is no where near that of a PC with all the sliders on full and it still struggles outside in some places :lol: .

PLUS, if you want to make things even better you can download any number of texture mods for the PC, the improved textures in Morrowind were awesome, and in Oblivion they do make the game look a bit better still, ontop of the advantage it already enjoys.

 

[impreza]

so does oblivion run much better on pc?

Hell yes it does. If you have a good enough PC it will run circles around it on the outside parts plus the PC has higher res textures and more vegitation around and the addition of AF to get rid of the blur fest that plagues that of the 360 :roll:

The 360's level of detail in Oblivion is no where near that of a PC with all the sliders on full and it still struggles outside in some places :lol: .
and some x360 fanboys say It runs much smother than on pc.

 

[enforcer22]

It should run smoother since they degrade the graphics quality IMO considerably for consoles. However that doesnt mean it will run great with the limitations with console hardware.

 

[buckiller]

See i would have to disagree... Console players have been used too auto aim for a really long time... To deny them this feature would be a bad move on the developers part. Maybe there will be some other option that would make it fairer for PC players...

I also agree.. it is a lot like aimhacks... but not quite, auto aim does not translate directly into a better player, as shown by the ENORMOUS amount of bad halo 2 players.... and these people would be destroyed by most PC players... .But once you get to the decent halo 2 players, it wouldnt be much of a contest, they would demolish most any PC player.

So in conclusion.... its going to be interesting when microsoft actually makes Consoles compatible with PCs. Somethings going to have to change.

 

[ryokinshin]

gfx hard devs do call them the low end console cuz in the end are cheaper then pcs, sso the whole pc vs console thing, k if the pc is better wats the point of saying dont buy a console, there are games u wont get on pcs and these things stil cost less then the highest end gfx card let alone highest end processor.

yes u can debate about hd tvs(although id use and hdtv for console and pc viewing) and all that other stuf, but even on an sdtv and jus a console without a bunch of the extras ur looking at something that for now is cheaper then a gaming pc and easier to use. for the average consumer there are also a lot of multimedia features on consoles, even handhelds. so the fact becomes they dont hav to offer the best, they jus need to jump way beyond the current gen of consoles wich even ith first generation titles the 360 has done that, hell every console has done that.

a lot of games wont come out on pcs, cuz lets face it, fps, rts, mmos and the sims is wat ppl keep buying, maybe when the day that final fantasy, shadow hearts, rockstar presents table tennis(stop laughing) is the day i stop getting consoles

 

[impreza]

And what about all the racing, action, sport games on pc? pc has most of the console games.

 

[ArbY]

Buying every part and reseaching alot about it, putting it all together with your own hands, tweaking everything for it work how you want it to, installing the game, tweaking the games settings for it to look how you want it, and last and most importantly having the pride that you have something unique in your hands and that you know exactly how everything works. That is "true" people.

Going to kmart buying the console and a game, poping it in and pushing the ON buttom. Those are "simple" people.

So you're trying to paint PC builders as this elite class of people who are knowledgeable in the fields of research and assembly. I tend to liken the PC building process (as you described) to legos. Plugging a PCI card in, sliding your DVD drive in, and flipping the socket latch after inserting your CPU -- as a matter of fact, building a lego project would seem more complex. Tweaking? Well you can choose the red brick, or the white brick ... completely fit it to your needs. Maybe you want a red spaceship with white trim? The options are endless! How the hell do you get off thinking PC builders are somehow in a "class above the rest"? You're really a great example actually, because if someone like you could put together a PC, anyone can put together a PC.

There are many advantages and disadvantage to both PCs and consoles. I just don't seem to share this general feeling of elitism, being a PC builder myself. Take your head outta your socket. :roll:
There's a world outside, go discover it.

 

[function9]

I usually figured console gamers were Canadians. The bottom of the barrel is the bottom any way you look at it. :tongue:

 

[enforcer22]

Guess im hard headed. Auto aim is auto aim its cheating. It isnt my concnern if they are use to it or not. Dunno if you played CS but alot of aimbotters suck pretty bad to its not like hacking makes you good it just makes you cheat. The developers can keep giving it to them all they want but when it comes to direct compatition in a league i would as a admin consider it a unfair advantage vs other players. In the end i agree someone with aimhack would demolish almost anyone if they were good at the game which is why alot of people cheat to win. The original xbox was suppose to be network/game compatable with pc versions of the xbox games but that fell through pretty fast :-/

 

[Jesse2200]

PS3 in my opinion will beat the 360 and Wii.

PS3 spec's:
CPU: Cell Processor PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
--1 VMX vector unit per core
--512KB L2 cache
--7 x SPE @3.2GHz
--7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
--7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
--*1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
--Total floating point performance: 218 gigaflops

GPU RSX @ 550MHz
--1.8 TFLOPS floating point Performance
--Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
--Multi-way programmable parallel Floating point shader pipelines
--Sound Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell-based processing)

And a Wii or 360 is gonna beat that??^^
Wii has a 700 and somethin processor against the PS3's 3.2ghz processor, lol.

And i dont think consoles are a waste. Theyre pretty easy to maintain, i mean if you have a problem with one you can send it in and get it fixed or somethin, with a computer if something goes wrong you have to worry about everything, you might not know what the problem is. Console can be very annoying at times too. Consoles you just buy and theyre ready to go, no installin crap and OS, just pop a game in a yur ready to go!

 

[enforcer22]

As intel has proven over and over again clock speed doesnt mean alot. Not to mention nintendo doesnt care abot anything but gaming thats what thier console is made for thats all it does. It kind of defines what a console was made for. Thats probly why nintendo wont need extravagent cooling and the ps3 and xbox would (i have seen ALOT of water and air cooling salutions for those two systems) Nintendo systems have never really needed high clocked cpus they just use efficient ones.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

You're really a great example actually, because if someone like you could put together a PC, anyone can put together a PC.

Regardless of the rest if you don't see self-built as better than pre-built pre-packaged for the higher end products, then you're not really a good judge of much. If you do indeed build yourself, you would know that wat involved requires more knowledge and preparation than simply choosing drop down boxes, or the prettiest case someone else put the parts in.

As for anyone being able to put together a PC, sure they could put it together like leggo, but like leggo not everyone can make something useful out of their assembly, heck the usually start/reset button wiring would confound most people.

I understand what you're trying to say, but to totally discount that a fully functioning well put together home built as 'a class above' is ignorant IMO.

 

[bluntside]

WORD 8)

 

[mandraque]

I know Rainbow 6 series is all on PC, just telling you there are a ton of clans for that on xbox.

Halo 2 Division in CAL is for the console version, theyve already completed one season (it is relatively new) They also have many other leagues that use Halo2 as a division.

I agree a bunch with you on the controls of consoles... however many of you PC players forget that in FPSs console kiddies have a little thing called auto aim and PC players dont (in almost all cases) So once people start playing console vs PC with Halo 3.... I would expect console players to do a little better (as long as the same auto aim is used ) because, if you have ever seen vids of halo 2 multilayer done by players, you will notice its always headshot after headshot after headshot.... prolly about 90% headshots... I realize this is possible on PC, but it requires more skill to do, show me a player that can do that consistently in CSS and im sure that player will be one of the best.

As for RTSs, definately. However, there is a game coming out for Xbox360 only called Halo Wars... Its being designed ground up as a console RTS so we'll see how that goes.

Aproximatly 75%+ of my kills are headshots. 40%+ of my first shot that hits you is a heatshot. And im by far not the best out there.

 

[Jesse2200]

As intel has proven over and over again clock speed doesnt mean alot. Not to mention nintendo doesnt care abot anything but gaming thats what thier console is made for thats all it does. It kind of defines what a console was made for. Thats probly why nintendo wont need extravagent cooling and the ps3 and xbox would (i have seen ALOT of water and air cooling salutions for those two systems) Nintendo systems have never really needed high clocked cpus they just use efficient ones.

yea that is very tru!...i just meant thinking back to Gamecube...that was one of the s***iest systems i have ever played, like wtf was up wit their controllers? and those crap games too. But watever the Wii is 'supposed' to be good...

 

[enforcer22]

yeah i didnt like the controlers much i do like the play station ones more. But i do like the games nintendo makes only games on play station i liked was armored core and twisted metal. Wii will be good if you like classic nintendo games and the ability to play classics i am a huge fan of zelda so nintendo is where i would go if i were to get a console mostly because im more of a fan of the nes and snes games more then anythign made after for consoles.

 

[Frankzoola]

thanks man the for the xbox equivelent. IM buying a xbox 360 for my brothers this christmas. I keep upgrading the Pc every year or so they can play games on it, I've decided its less expensive to buy a 360 then upgrading the pc every year. We are normaly playstation fans, but im not spending $500 on a ps3. Thats enought to feed a small country, lol. Anyway thanks again for the info, this will help on my essay.

same here.. i upgraded to a new pc 2 years after my first pc... weve also been a playstation fan.. but it was either the xbox 360 or the wii... and yeah.. the xbox ALL the way.. and all i can say is WOW!!!

 

[Frankzoola]

Tbh, whatever floats your boat. I choose not to buy consoles because its my feeling that I like PC's functionality and flexibility more. Then again its always nice to be able to just hit "power" and start a game up - which is where the console fits in = simplicity.

well i got an x360 not for playing it a lot.. i definently use my pc (which i got excatly at the same time as my x360, but then thing is i cant play halo 2 or g.r.a.w or far cry with 3 other people on my.. nor run it at 1080p (or is it 1080i?)... IMO consoles are for having friends and party's, heck it was my b-day last friday and we played halo 2 on my pa's projector at max resolution (although it sometimes got choppy on g.r.a.w with 4 people).. and personally, the graphics on the x360 are mindblowing, gotta remeber that it doesnt run windows.. its all dedicated to gaming, not like pc's.. and its cheap for all that i comes with (relatively speaking), i had a ps2.. but i sold it to get my x360 (got $240 off my ps2) and i NEVER used it to play alone.. because the graphics sucked.. even compared to my old pc (amd athlon xp 2800, 9600xt), but now i do play sometimes on the x360 because the graphics are that much better, and if the gpu in the x360 is comprable to the 7800gtx.. id say thats pretty good because it came out last year. well those are my 2 cents

 

[enforcer22]

Last year in gaming terms is um vary old. Hell i hate using a vidoe card thats 6 months old let alone a year 😛

 

[Mike995]

I give my good luck to sony and IBM in getting close to that THEORETICAL Gflop performance estimate.

 

[unbiased4u]

Hmm...well in that case:

I like PC's because you can assemble them yourself

then again I like consoles because they are cheap and simple

then again PC's are as simple and fast

then again the consoles are fast enough

then again PC's have better graphics

then again consoles are good enough from far away (with medium size TV's)

then again I could get free games with my PC (freeware)

then again I could get a use console for $30 and cheap games

then again I can get exclusive games for consoles

then again I could get exclusive PC games

then again I get better controls with consoles

then again I get better controls with certain games for PC

then again I can get good local multiplayer with consoles

then again I can get better online play with PC's

then again....

agh!! Head explodes!

The thing is, I like both. I have a Gamecube and a PC. I love both. I love games for both. I like the controls for both. I like the quality of both. So really, stop these console vs PC threads and let them live in peace

edit: whoops 😳 went out of order once

 

[buckiller]

Aproximatly 75%+ of my kills are headshots. 40%+ of my first shot that hits you is a heatshot. And im by far not the best out there.

What do you play? Im the same way on Xbox playing Halo 2... ditto im not the best. If your talking about PC games then you either take too long to shoot and die before you can shoot them, or you are lieing, or you are being modest and your actually definately one of the top 70% players.

Guess im hard headed. Auto aim is auto aim its cheating. It isnt my concnern if they are use to it or not. Dunno if you played CS but alot of aimbotters suck pretty bad to its not like hacking makes you good it just makes you cheat. The developers can keep giving it to them all they want but when it comes to direct compatition in a league i would as a admin consider it a unfair advantage vs other players. In the end i agree someone with aimhack would demolish almost anyone if they were good at the game which is why alot of people cheat to win. The original xbox was suppose to be network/game compatable with pc versions of the xbox games but that fell through pretty fast :-/

You kind of misunderstand... the type of auto aim in consoles isnt the same as in PCs... Its more like in console games the hitboxes on players are bigger (but not really.. your cursor just finds its way to your target easier than without so called "autoaim") In PC games autoaim type hacks result in finding the target automatically with no effort... if i understand you.

Its an unfair advantage to PC players if console players dont have autoaim... everyone can see that. With auto aim, its more even, but now console players have the edge... so im wondering what developers will do to try and get it even.