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Physical damage is different that is costly to recover when things get burnt or accidentally break. The power surge is physical damage but not at that scale. That physical damage also starts at INR10K for HDD which is not too high don't know cost for SSD but I don't think it is much higher.

That 49K and 50K quotes are sometimes overkill and not worthy. As you can read those reviews people complaint about that high priced quote and get it recovered for 10K from other recovery center. He got that Physically damaged HDD recovered from some one else for 10K($150) which is what I was saying.

Stellar data recovery was just an example I gave you guys for quoting prices as I got my data recovered from them before but there are many other Data recovery centers giving you services in same price range. If one quotes high you can check it with other and there is possibility of him quoting low and get it done where it costs less.

The point here is that 5K USD or even 1K+ USD is way overpriced to get data recovered. We can get it done for much lower price.
 
KD, what you describe is not really data recovery. It's a simple repair where they pull apart your hdd/ssd and swap in a new controller and hope it works. The data stands a good chance of being fully intact if that's all there needs doing, and they can use parts from old drives that have suffered sector deterioration or scratches etc but the board is still good.

Trying to recover data from a hdd that's been physically smacked with a hammer, had the disc's bent, suffered catastrophic damage, subjected to windows format or even loss of partition is a whole different beast and takes a serious equipment use to pull off. Recovering **$fice.exe isn't that much of a stretch, chances are it's office.exe, but recovering thousands of **$a.exe and **$e.sys in hundreds of files and folders etc is a whole different ballgame and guaranteed will cost more than $40. And that's just the programs, nevermind any coded data that's unique and original like jpgs or cad or Vegas works.
 
True, but if I ever got a fire in a pc, I'd call it a day, toss everything in the bin and start all over. SSDs in particular will be susceptible to that kind of punishment and the disc's in the hdd will undoubtedly be warped, heads frozen etc. Superheated grease is not exactly kind to electronics
 
Possibly you missed the part where I said that electric surge/PCB damage HDD or SSD recovery costs INR3,500(HDD), INR5,000(2.5 SSD) and INR8,000(M.2 SSD) for up-to 2TB non encrypted data that is what they quoted no questions asked.

For Physical damage as you said it is around INR10,000 for HDD. Physical damage do cover fire accident and hammered HDD.
Even after proceeding with procedure for some reason data is unrecoverable or damaged beyond recovery they will not charge anything at all for the work they have already done on it. For SSD it may be bit high but there will not be a very big difference.

Stellar data charges INR650 consultation charges but some other recovery centers don't even charge consultation fees.
 
I'm telling you, from experience, that all of those charges are guaranteed charges. Whether they get anything back for you or not, 99% of them make you pay that up front. Then once basic recovery methods don't work it begins to be 1500 dollars, guaranteed, and we still might not be able to do a full recovery, but we won't even try without the money. I know how it works. I've been through it with very reputable companies.

Companies that are NOT as reputable, begin by charging for consultation AND courier service, and it just gets worse from there. But whatever, this is not really PSU related so let's get back on track. Also, Dottorent has requested that this thread be closed in his earlier reply but due to the nature of it's long history we may just keep it open. I'll check with the powers that be.
 


Probably it costs a lot to recover data in your part of the world and it costs comparatively very less in my area. But I am sure that they only charge the amount they quote before hand and no extra additions after it. As I said before the check for the problem(if we don't know what it is) and give us a final quote to be paid after recovery for any reason they are unable to recover data or the data loss is beyond recovery they don't charge us anything and return the device. I got my data recovered for INR2,500 4yrs ago(prices have increased a bit since then) from a failed laptop HDD which was not even starting up. Many other people also got their data recovered successfully from non functional HDDs and SSDs for minimal charges. Things work differently in different parts of the world and probably due to some regulations or for some other important reason they are charging huge amount from you guys to recover data in USA. Here we don't have that kind of limitations and therefore prices are very less for recovery of data. That is all I can say.

Yes lets get back to PSU discussion.
 


Yes price fluctuates from time to time and giving a score which remains constant over time depending on the price comparison to other PSUs is bit meaningless. Sadly it effects the overall score of the review.
 


Undoubtedly, I concur. However, as this was initiated as a buy high end parts versus buy high end PSU, because data recovery is cheap, it still holds true. Buy a high end power supply AND buy insurance in the form of a secondary local backup. Or, just don't do anything on your system that will make you want to jump off a bridge later if you lose it.
 


Yes Sir even with having all high quality components there is risk of loosing everything. But how many people pay extra to get PC covered in Insurance. I have seen people get their smartphone insured but no matter how expensive the PC is never seen a person get it covered.
 
As soon as you make one. Torrent, from what I can gather, has pretty much retired from authoring a list that many ppl never used right and complained about from the start. Used correctly it was an excellent tool for even something as basic as a 'clue' as to what was and wasn't available on the market. The amount of time and effort it took to compile as best and verified as could be was staggering, just as staggering as the amount of complaints and abuse it received.

I for one am sad to see it go, but its loss is understandable and am grateful for what time I did get use from it.

So Thank you Torrent, for what it's worth, it was a pleasure. Good luck with whatever comes next for you.
 
Using price as part of the score makes 0 sense to me.
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Scoring power supplies in general doesn’t make sense to me. Because everything is relative. A power supply that was top performing 10 years ago, with those conditions, will not be so highly rated nowadays. Same thing applies to build quality.

And the price may be good at some regions, but not in others.

The scores really become irrelevant after a couple years, it is much better to read the data in the reviews.

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To make and sustain a proper power supply tier list requires alot of time, even with expert knowledge. Even the one at LinusTechTips has been going for almost two years with constant updates with help of some experts too, still has some flaws and is missing power supplies.
 
That´s why I recommend pretty simple facts for buying power supplies:
warranty >= 5years
wattage = single graphics 450W and up to 650W depending on price and overclocking matters
eco = 80plus gold or less depending on budget

quiet or loud is the only fact a review would have to clarify for standard users
 
What works for one person, who has experience and does not NEED a tier list anyhow, is not the same as what somebody with no knowledge of power supplies is likely to find useful. None will be without some kind of fault, especially since it's highly objective based on WHO you ask, and also since what one person finds to be an important characteristic may not be the same property as what the next guy is looking for.

I've seen the other various tier lists around the web, and none of them had as much obvious time invested in them as what this one did WHEN Dottorent was still frequently keeping it maintained. The one at LTT was simply a piece of crap the last time I looked at it. Perhaps it's been improved since then, I can't speak to that, but it's STILL likely to be helpful to somebody.

The best tier list is one, like this was, where members actively participate in answering questions directly related to the list or to power supplies in general, as discussion of a thing by a variety of people is always likely to result in a more studiously vetted component than one based on just one objective, albeit studied opinion.
 


It is possible to use criteria for ranking power supplies into tiers that does not change with time. What that would mean is probably in the future most power supplies would end up in tier 1 or 2, but as long as the evaluation criteria does not change then a power supply will be rated into the same tier 10 years ago as today.

If you look at a site like Jonnyguru, their evaluative criteria in the reviews has changed dramatically over time, so in that case you are correct in that some high-scoring PSUs would not score so high today. But if someone running a tier list is to end up changing the evaluative criteria, that would mean that tons of power supplies would need to be reorganized, which would be... a major pain in the butt. But if you don't change the evaluative criteria, then some people may complain that the list goes "too easy" on the power supplies and everything gets in tier 1 or 2 because it's being judged by standards of 5 years ago.

As far as I'm concerned no tier lists have ever taken into account prices of power supplies, only quality.
 
To be honest in my opinion, the tier 1 and tier 2 poweruspplies are well known enough.

a list of safe budget powersupplies for up to a 1070 +i7 8700k ok for me.
Just to give people a list of some psus to take that you can take to a store and can ask if they have got any of these in store.

like corsair cx(m) 450 550 650(not 400 500 600) / xfx powersupplies (not xt)/seasonic all models/ super flower all models/ antec vp and HCG/ evga b2 (not regular white and bronze/ bitfenix whisper m.

out of the top of my head..
 


To you, and me. Not to the folks lists like this were intended for. Tier lists aren't intended for people who already know what hardware is good and what hardware might not be so great. It's for the less experienced purchaser who is mostly clueless in this, or any, area.

I guarantee you that for every one of us who visits this list there are fifty others, at least, who hasn't a clue without something to get them going in the right direction.
 
Perhaps some able body person(s) could think about creating a new list/grouping with descriptions of what it takes for a power supply to be included in that list. Grouped by Wattage, efficiency, protections, warranty, MFG date, etc. What would the best approach to making list and categories be? We do have a power supply discussion thread with good list of links to find information: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3612443/power-supply-discussion-thread.html
 
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