PSU tier list 2.0

[jankerson]

How does a Sirtec-based Rosewill Hive 550S sound?

Very low quality PSU.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Rosewill Hive units are not good.

 

[Darkbreeze]

The only Rosewill units worth looking at are the Capstone series (And there are even some of those that are not very good as they are not Super Flower built models) and some of the Quark series are pretty good, although they are pretty basic which is fine if quality and reliability is all that is needed.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

With literally no reviews it's impossible to say for sure if the Hive S is good or not. What we do know is that it's group regulated so it's an older platform. You're better off with a more modern DC to DC regulated unit.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Ok, let me re-phrase that to say that historically, the Hive series units have not been very good. Sirtec has a pretty spotty track record as well. A lot of really bad platforms with only a few bright spots here and there.

 

[swpt]

Is the XFx xtr2 the same as XFx xtr? I have the xtr2 and i would like to know if its a tier 2 and fine for overclocking etc.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

The XTR2 is a rebranded Seasonic Prime. It's excellent. If we still had a tier list it would be tier 1 most likely.

http://www.orionpsudb.com/news/xfx-will-rebrand-seasonics-flagship-prime-titaniumplatinumgold-line-as-the-xfx-xti-xts2-and-xtr2-series

 

[Karadjgne]

The XTR line is very good, no worries about OC capabilities as long as the size is comparable to the needs.

 

[swpt]

Thanks a lot. Good the know i can overclock without to worry about a psu

 

[woahwoahwilly]

Looks like I'll have to change the NZXT in my sister's build. It's a HALE82 V2 or something like that, but it's fully modular. All I know. Besides the fact that it's Sirtec made. Would an EVGA B3 450W (though I know it might not be so good) be any better? Desperate to keep that PC price below $450, but also desperate for a smaller hassle in cable management since I'm building in a DIYPC case. It's that $20 micro ATX one with the red fan in the front.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Last I checked, all of the B3 units EXCEPT the 650w model, failed Aris' bench tests, spectacularly. I think the Corsair CX450m would be better than the B3 450w or the Hale82 v2 TBH.

The Seasonic Focus Gold 450, at 54 dollars, isn't too much more though. About a fifteen dollar difference from the CXm and BQ/B3 models from Corsair and EVGA. The BQ would even be better than the Hale82.

 

[Karadjgne]

The nzxt Hale's are solidly mediocre as far as performance goes vrs something like an Evga G2 or Corsair RMx, but that doesn't make them bad, just not great. Those Sirtec units aren't known for starting fires. If it's been flawless so far, no reason to ditch it. I'd not buy it new though.

Especially for something considerably worse. The B2/G2/P2 are the only Evga's I recommend, I'm not a fan of any of the 3 series.

 

[jankerson]

The nzxt Hale's are solidly mediocre as far as performance goes vrs something like an Evga G2 or Corsair RMx, but that doesn't make them bad, just not great. Those Sirtec units aren't known for starting fires. If it's been flawless so far, no reason to ditch it. I'd not buy it new though.

Especially for something considerably worse. The B2/G2/P2 are the only Evga's I recommend, I'm not a fan of any of the 3 series.

I also like the G2/P2.

 

[Darkbreeze]

The nzxt Hale's are solidly mediocre

Not the 450w model, but THAT, isn't what I'd call "solidly mediocre". More like, horrible and pathetic. JG reviews are down right now, but I know there is one there somewhere for the 550w model which is as close to the 450w model as I've seen a review for, and that one wasn't good either.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NZXT/HALE82-700-V2/11.html

 

[Karadjgne]

To sum up, I expected much from NZXT since they managed to impress me with the NZXT HALE90 V2 1000 W I reviewed some months ago, but the HALE82 V2 didn't live up to those expectations. On the contrary, this Sirtec platform is very mediocre, to say the least.

His words, your link. But I'm iffy on that as it's a 700w rated unit, and many times there's a marked difference between stuff @600w and lower compared to higher wattage units.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjwhv7q5KXgAhWJPN8KHTk7B-4QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fthinkcomputers.org%2Fnzxt-hale82-v2-550w-power-supply-review%2F&psig=AOvVaw0Ul3Rf0sCOrP8_pfzjfeJw&ust=1549497150149372
When it comes to voltage regulation the unit did very well. All rails were under the 5% voltage regulation we like to see and for those wondering the regulation on each of the rails were: 3.3V: 1.51%, 5V: 1.56%, 12V: 1.65%. Very good results there. (HALE82 V2 550w)

Yes, they also mention the dismal failure of the 700w that was previously tested.

Edit: considering the age of those tests, compared to top line psus like the G2s, RMx's etc, I'd still say mediocre, as in good enough for a stock replacement or a girlfriends websurfer, but for a gaming rig.. Ehh no

 

[lakimens]

Huge thanks to Jon for sharing the PSU Tier List with me. Not sure how you found my e-mail though?

 

[Deleted member 217926]

Huge thanks to Jon for sharing the PSU Tier List with me. Not sure how you found my e-mail though?

Um what? Unless you gave someone here your email or shared it publicly no one should be contacting you. If someone contacted you unasked you should PM myself or another mod and we can find out how that happened.

 

[lakimens]

Huge thanks to Jon for sharing the PSU Tier List with me. Not sure how you found my e-mail though?

Um what? Unless you gave someone here your email or shared it publicly no one should be contacting you. If someone contacted you unasked you should PM myself or another mod and we can find out how that happened.

I'm not sure if I've shared my Google email address on this forum, but I juts received a shared file "PSU Tier List", and I just wanted to say thanks to whoever shared it with me.

 

[Deleted member 217926]

While I'm glad you're happy with whatever you received that doesn't change the fact that no one here should be sending your emails out of the blue. In fact if your email is publicly available on this forum that means we as moderators have failed. Was it a link to this thread?

 

[lakimens]

While I'm glad you're happy with whatever you received that doesn't change the fact that no one here should be sending your emails out of the blue. In fact if your email is publicly available on this forum that means we as moderators have failed. Was it a link to this thread?

No, it's a Google Sheets file.

 

[Darkbreeze]

To sum up, I expected much from NZXT since they managed to impress me with the NZXT HALE90 V2 1000 W I reviewed some months ago, but the HALE82 V2 didn't live up to those expectations. On the contrary, this Sirtec platform is very mediocre, to say the least.

His words, your link. But I'm iffy on that as it's a 700w rated unit, and many times there's a marked difference between stuff @600w and lower compared to higher wattage units.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjwhv7q5KXgAhWJPN8KHTk7B-4QzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fthinkcomputers.org%2Fnzxt-hale82-v2-550w-power-supply-review%2F&psig=AOvVaw0Ul3Rf0sCOrP8_pfzjfeJw&ust=1549497150149372
When it comes to voltage regulation the unit did very well. All rails were under the 5% voltage regulation we like to see and for those wondering the regulation on each of the rails were: 3.3V: 1.51%, 5V: 1.56%, 12V: 1.65%. Very good results there. (HALE82 V2 550w)

Yes, they also mention the dismal failure of the 700w that was previously tested.

Edit: considering the age of those tests, compared to top line psus like the G2s, RMx's etc, I'd still say mediocre, as in good enough for a stock replacement or a girlfriends websurfer, but for a gaming rig.. Ehh no

That unit showed a thumbs down, and listed as a con, for all of these:

Lousy performance in crossload tests
High voltage drops in Advanced Transient Response tests
Bottom-low hold-up time
Weak +12V rail
Noisy operation
Voltage regulation could be better
A couple more SATA and peripheral connectors would be nice
5VSB ripple suppression


I'd say that makes it a crap unit IMO. Fortunately, we do not have to agree, but any unit that can't pass the crossload tests, can't pass the transient response tests, has a problem with hold up time, has a weak 12v rail, is noisy, doesn't have great voltage regulation and has poor 5v ripple suppression, regardless whether or not, or even if, any of those things might directly be a factor, considering they are things not found on reviews of most of what we'd call "mediocre" units, it would be a solid uh uh for me. Gaming rig or not. I wouldn't put on of those in my mom's web machine.

 

[Darkbreeze]

While I'm glad you're happy with whatever you received that doesn't change the fact that no one here should be sending your emails out of the blue. In fact if your email is publicly available on this forum that means we as moderators have failed. Was it a link to this thread?

No, it's a Google Sheets file.

Who is "Jon"?

 

[lakimens]

While I'm glad you're happy with whatever you received that doesn't change the fact that no one here should be sending your emails out of the blue. In fact if your email is publicly available on this forum that means we as moderators have failed. Was it a link to this thread?

No, it's a Google Sheets file.

Who is "Jon"?

I will PM you.

 

[Onus]

His review did not speak to longevity, but way back when, Gabriel Torres at HardwareSecrets reviewed the Rosewill Hive and found it decent. I can't find it now; he went back to Brazil some time ago, and the site has been reorganized, but Hive was perhaps Rosewill's first effort to seriously turn the corner from "junk" to "good." I might not choose it today over anything more modern or any better than Coolermaster, but there's still a lot worse out there.

 

[Karadjgne]

That's kinda true with many reviews though. I remember someone reputable did a review of the old green CX, found it to be really decent for its intended purpose. Nothing saying it's average lifespan was @18 months or less yet some fortunate souls had a unit last 4 years or more in a moderate gaming rig. Corsair at least on their website stated it was not intended for gaming rigs, yet even that was taken down in favor of stating the R series was intended for gaming rigs.

So I'm guessing that guessing at lifespans is determined by load, platform, OEM, experience. The Hive might be a damned good factory replacement in a pre-built, but has no place in a $1000 custom gaming rig.