PSU tier list 2.0

[turkey3_scratch]

I think the Tier list should be redone to 3.0. There are a lot of power supplies missing from the tier list. I think the tier list should be more informative of the power supplies' faults. Rather than it just being used as a reference saying, "That's a Tier 3 PSU. Get a better one" There should be extensive information on each power supply and what is good/wrong with it. Every power supply on the tier list should have a few links to reviews of it, if there are any. The labelled price of the power supply should be listed, too.

We should really be informing people rather than blatantly telling them not to get this or that. I don't think people get it when you say, "That power supply is low quality. Get one of the higher tiered units".

Okay, so you don't like Johnny, too. I wonder why Blackbird likes him so much.

 

[tiny voices]

Don't get me wrong. Johnny is great, and an excellent source for information, I' just not a fan of him.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Well, I did just check out a review on there and it was actually as extensive as Hardwaresecret's. However, I've seen other PSU reviews on there that weren't quite as good.

Another thing that should be included in the tier list is the release date of the PSUs.

 

[ko888]

The last PSU review done by Gabriel Torres for Hardware Secrets was for the Sentey SDP850-SS back on July 31, 2013. There haven't been any PSU reviews since.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

The last PSU review done by Gabriel Torres for Hardware Secrets was for the Sentey SDP850-SS back on July 31, 2013. There haven't been any PSU reviews since.

Yeah, that's the problem, he doesn't seem to do them anymore. However, most PSUs on the market today are still a few years old anyway.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

Quick question, what makes Japanese electrolytic capacitors best? I mean, can we really judge capacitors based on country? Shouldn't they be judged based on what they are made of?

 

[Karadjgne]

Japanese caps are made of a higher, purer grade of components, to higher, more exacting tolerances, with tighter and more thorough quality control than their Chinese or Taiwanese counterparts. It's not a matter of country as much a matter of which country. The Japanese have determined that they will be responsible for making the best aluminium solid caps in the world. And so they do.

 

[Benjiwenji]

I am still not convinced that the EVGA 500/600b by HEC is better than their 750B1/G1 by FSP, as indicated by this list. Can someone walk me through that again?

 

[Turb0Yoda]

It has to do with the OEM and the types(Rather, origin) of Capacitors used.
I'd rather get a seasonic PSU under the EVGA label rather than a Raidmax or similar brand under the EVGA label(forbid that they would even do that).
Look up the capacitors they use. Japanese>Chinese>Taiwanese if I am not mistaken.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Anyone seen the PcPartPicker hatred for this list: http://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/114698-can-my-psu-handle-the-r9-390

The staff there say it's crap and so do the most well known members. They have a big ring and they don't even give advice about the question, they just say the list is crap.

As I mentioned before, a while back, on the JonnyGuru forums, if you even mention this list in a post, it's sufficient for a warning and then a ban. Very uncouth and just goes to show a lack of professionalism. Even if you don't agree with something being done or used someplace else, if it's being done in an attempt to HELP people, rather than to cause harm, it should at the very least be shown some minimal amount of respect. Especially considering the number of fracked up people out there looking to simply make a buck or ply people with absolutely inaccurate and faulty information.

I had respect for their cause before that, even though I knew he disliked the tier list, but after that, I lost respect for the "people" involved with that organization. I still believe the testing done there is pretty reliable in MOST cases, and can be a good source of comparison, but I now take what I see there with a grain of salt and don't venture into their forums anymore as I have a problem with that kind of blatant disrespect.

 

[Darkbreeze]

It has to do with the OEM and the types(Rather, origin) of Capacitors used.
I'd rather get a seasonic PSU under the EVGA label rather than a Raidmax or similar brand under the EVGA label(forbid that they would even do that).
Look up the capacitors they use. Japanese>Chinese>Taiwanese if I am not mistaken.

Ok, no offense, but that makes no sense. You can't get a "Raidmax or similar brand under the EVGA label", or visa versa, because EVGA, Raidmax or "similar brands" don't make power supplies. You CAN get a Seasonic PSU under the EVGA label, since Seasonic makes power supplies for many companies. You can also get a Super Flower, HEC, etc. unit under any of those labels, potentially, but I think you got your wording all mixed up or were confused about who does the making and who does the selling because EVGA, Raidmax, Antec, XFX, Corsair, Cooler Master, Thermaltake and the rest of the major players all contract with somebody to make those units for them, never the other way around.

 

[Benjiwenji]

Well, it still doesn't explain why the EVGA 500/600b by HEC is on a higher tier than the B1/G1.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Your right, it doesn't. It was in response to his commentary, not intended as an answer to your question.

 

[MarkW]

Anyone seen the PcPartPicker hatred for this list: http://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/114698-can-my-psu-handle-the-r9-390

The staff there say it's crap and so do the most well known members. They have a big ring and they don't even give advice about the question, they just say the list is crap.

They stand to make those commissions off of all those Corsair CX and VS units.... It is amazing how little money it takes to get someone to push a crappy unit sometimes.

 

[Darkbreeze]

Had to stick a leg, not a toe, into that pool and set things straight.

 

[MarkW]

I was just testing to see if you were still out here howling away as if it was still Halloween... 😛

 

[Darkbreeze]

I'm like the wind in Wyoming. I'm always howling away.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I think the Tier list here is good, and disagree with the mods on pcpartpicker. I agree with MarkW, they probably don't know their PSUs but shun the tier list anyway. Of all the tech sites I have ever been on, Tomshardware is always the most strict on the power supply, and I think that is good. Go on Linus Tech Tips forums, and everybody there recommends Supernova NEX power supplies. You're probably right MarkW - those people on the pcpartpicker forums, their PSUs in their personal computers are probably Tier 4 or 5, so then they immidiately think the tier list sucks and hate it rather than realizing they chose a bad power supply and facing reality.

Also, we should have a mobo Tier list.

 

[The Grox Empire]

I suggest we should make PSU tier list bang for the buck. It will help beginners and people that doesn't put much money to PC

 

[tiny voices]

In regards to the 500/600b comment, the NEX750B is REALLY horrible. Like in my opinion almost tier 5. It produced 480mV ripple on the 12 rail. Ridiculous.

 

[dottorrent]

I am aware that the PcPartPicker moderators and staff think the list is a pile of garbage, and I know for a fact that JohnnyGuru himself doesn't like it. But unfortunately, when people think about sales more than quality, it shows that they are badly misinformed and have never seen reports of failing units, seen the inside of a PSU or checked out any or all reviews. They always stick to their opinion and try and push it to other people.

There are always gonna be haters of anything, but haters won't stop me from working and improving the list day after day, night after night. If only they see what I go through just to put ONE unit on the list with careful consideration, and not based on what capacitors a unit has.

 

[Darkbreeze]

I suggest we should make PSU tier list bang for the buck. It will help beginners and people that doesn't put much money to PC

It's already bang for the buck. The more buck you invest, moving further up the list, the more bang. Or reverse if you consider the bang to be the unit blowing up.

 

[turkey3_scratch]

I suggest we should make PSU tier list bang for the buck. It will help beginners and people that doesn't put much money to PC

It's already bang for the buck. The more buck you invest, moving further up the list, the more bang. Or reverse if you consider the bang to be the unit blowing up.

Yeah but I think we can all agree that while Be QUiet! Dark Power Pro supplies are fantastic, their prices at $250 is not even considerable compared to the G2.

Then again I'm not sure about the bang for the buck. Would a $5 junk unit be considered a bang for the buck? The whole "bang for the buck" is arguable whether it means at the current moment, because once the unit blows another is needed.

 

[PureBlackFire]

Well, it still doesn't explain why the EVGA 500/600b by HEC is on a higher tier than the B1/G1.

because so far forum user sentiment is higher. if anything that's it.

It has to do with the OEM and the types(Rather, origin) of Capacitors used.
I'd rather get a seasonic PSU under the EVGA label rather than a Raidmax or similar brand under the EVGA label(forbid that they would even do that).
Look up the capacitors they use. Japanese>Chinese>Taiwanese if I am not mistaken.

you wouldn't see a raidmax psu under an EVGA label as raidmax is not an OEM. and it's Japanse>Taiwanese>Chinese.

 

[tiny voices]

Super Flower's factory, Jing-Hua, is pretty small. With all the orders they get from EVGA, their own retail arm, and other companies, they have no choice but to outsource production to other contractors to meet the demand - and not to just one factory.

Example: one of such factories is Shenzhen Rui Sheng Yuan Technology, which manufactures part of Super Flower's orders for products based on Golden King, Golden Green and similar designs from this series. Shenzhen Rui Sheng Zuan were also a subcontractor for former Topower and Huntkey.

I rehosted a specification PDF I once accessed from some place, take a look: http://orionpsudb.com/application/files/6614/4282/9355/SFExportSRTC.pdf

They also use some more known companies. Not Enhance or FSP, but it does have three capital letters in its name if you look at it in the right way - and it's usually not associated with quality products at all. And the little quirks that different factories have show in the reviews sometimes - if you look at the reviews of certain lower-end products from EVGA or other brands by SF, you may notice some imperfections in things like soldering quality, with some of them pointed out by the reviewer.
Now they still perform as good as what you'd expect the platform, since it's the same design after all. Just assembled by different people, which I don't think is a big deal at all when the occasional QC slips are kept under control. Some of Super Flower's contractors don't care about the quality of their own units, but when they are ordered to make products for Super Flower, they both (the OEM and Super Flower) make sure to do their best.

Anyone know which 3-letter company is doing the manufacturing for EVGA? HEC? IF so, which superflower units are they making?