Psychotoxic: finally a review is out for it

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bk039@ncf.ca (Raymond Martineau) looked up from reading the entrails of
the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:00:06 +0100, Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:53:34 GMT, OldDog <OldDog@city.pound.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Ok, I'm using Agent now. But heck! You all didn't warn me about
>>>ALL the features in it! :-0
>>
>>I did warn you!
>>
>>>I changed a few things around to suit my preferences. But one thing
>>>that I have yet to figure out is how to get it to display the message
>>>vs me having to double click it.
>>>
>>>Currently if I hit the N key, I see something like "Msg has 14 lines."
>>>And then I have to double click with mouse to read it.
>>
>>I think you can sort that on out by right clicking on a group name,
>>select Default Properties>Retrieving Messages>Tick "Retrieve bodies
>>for all new messages". There are another load of options you may like
>>to check out in there too 🙂
>
>That reminds me - is there any way to set that to only download bodies for
>unread messages? I've been setting my killfilter to mark postings as read,
>and using that option auto-downloads those killed messages anyway.
>
>I do know about the CTRL-N workaround - hold it down, and it queues up all
>other messages for downloading - plus I have a progress indicator on how
>many posts still need to be downloaded.
>
>Other than this small issue, Agent is perfect.

What you said - no, "read" by definition means you have to have the body
of the message.

What you can do though is ignore the message - then the body will NOT
get downloaded.

Xocyll
--
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Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
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The saddest part is the back of the box had a typo, and
no one caught it!

--KC

 

[Andrew]

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:45:42 GMT, OldDog <OldDog@city.pound.com>
wrote:

>I have to either double click on the post or use CTRL+N to get the msg
>to open up in the preview pane. Not a biggie since I'm currently
>double clicking to get thru the msgs; although the N key would have
>been better.

Did you do what I suggested before?:
"I think you can sort that on out by right clicking on a group name,
select Default Properties>Retrieving Messages>Tick "Retrieve bodies
for all new messages"

That lets me download all the messages automatically after the bodies
and the N key works just fine.

The other crucial options for me are:
Options>General Preferences>Navigation and
Menus>Navigation>Automatically mark messages read>Whenever the message
body is visible

Options>General Preferences>Display>Message List Pane>Initial Thread
Setting>Expand All Threads.

And my taste for window layout is:
Options>Window Layout>select the 4th layout of pane.
Options>Save as default window layout
IMO that makes best use of the screen real estate.
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Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>And my taste for window layout is:
>Options>Window Layout>select the 4th layout of pane.
>Options>Save as default window layout
>IMO that makes best use of the screen real estate.

Always preferred #6 myself - altered to have 3 lines for subscribed
groups, 3 lines for messages, the rest for display of the message body.

I don't pick and choose among the threads, I just go through them in
order skipping/ignoring ones I have no interest in.

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

 

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Thus spake Johnny Bravo <baawa_knight@yahoo.com>, Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:23:17
GMT, Anno Domini:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:44:44 +1000, Nostromo
><nostromo@spamfree.net.au> wrote:
>
>>I have this thing for Jennifer Love Hewitt - could that be steam as well?
>
> Only if she has a thing for you as well. Wait, that wouldn't be
>steam, it would be divine intervention. <grin>

Bastage!

Well, I do happen to believe in God, but I'm not sure my wife would
subscribe to those prayers ;-)

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, stoic wrote:

thanks very much for the info, i appreciate it
as for psychotoxic at least it has a good box

i'll buy it the only thing i wanted to know is what copy protection it
has cause there was someone in this group trying to scare us with some
insinuations it might have starforce but if it has you would have told
us right?

--
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i said "NO" to valve and steam

against steam campaign
http://nosteam.afterdarknet.at/

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http://www.steamwatch.org/

please sign petition "Say NO! to Steam!" available at:
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what steam does to pc gamers in a million word worth picture:
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>One other item. Is there a way to turn off the line count? I don't
>care that someone posted 2 lines, or 200 lines.

Just resize that column, you can drag the right line over to the
left until the only thing you see in that column is just the arrow to
expand the thread.

--
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft

 

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:33:56 -0500, bk039@ncf.ca (Raymond Martineau)
wrote:

>That reminds me - is there any way to set that to only download bodies for
>unread messages? I've been setting my killfilter to mark postings as read,
>and using that option auto-downloads those killed messages anyway.

You could just get all the bodies and use the Group->Apply Filters
option to filter what you've downloaded.

--
"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability
of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - H.P. Lovecraft

 

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 11:05:40 GMT, Johnny Bravo <baawa_knight@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:33:56 -0500, bk039@ncf.ca (Raymond Martineau)
>wrote:
>
>>That reminds me - is there any way to set that to only download bodies for
>>unread messages? I've been setting my killfilter to mark postings as read,
>>and using that option auto-downloads those killed messages anyway.
>
> You could just get all the bodies and use the Group->Apply Filters
>option to filter what you've downloaded.

I'm on dialup. I can't go around throwing bandwidth away (e.g. downloading
usenet postings from known trolls) as it slows down other tasks which
should be higher priority. (e.g. downloading other usenet postings)

 

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:20:13 -0500, Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net> wrote:

>bk039@ncf.ca (Raymond Martineau) looked up from reading the entrails of
>the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:00:06 +0100, Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote:
>>
>>>I think you can sort that on out by right clicking on a group name,
>>>select Default Properties>Retrieving Messages>Tick "Retrieve bodies
>>>for all new messages". There are another load of options you may like
>>>to check out in there too 🙂
>>
>>That reminds me - is there any way to set that to only download bodies for
>>unread messages? I've been setting my killfilter to mark postings as read,
>>and using that option auto-downloads those killed messages anyway.
>>
>>I do know about the CTRL-N workaround - hold it down, and it queues up all
>>other messages for downloading - plus I have a progress indicator on how
>>many posts still need to be downloaded.
>>
>>Other than this small issue, Agent is perfect.
>
>What you said - no, "read" by definition means you have to have the body
>of the message.

By definition of Forte Agent, "read" is simply a flag that indicates that
the user has not read a given posting. This can be overridden by either
using a kill-filter, or by rightclicking on the message without the body,
and clicking "Mark as Read".

I have plenty of "read" messages without bodies - sometimes, I mark all
postings in a newsgroup read to skip past one newsgroup (a high-traffic but
low content one).

>What you can do though is ignore the message - then the body will NOT
>get downloaded.

With Agent, ignoring only works at the thread level. Aside from
kill-filters, there is no way to do anything similar (and even then, it
only allows either deletion or marking the message as read.)

 

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:41:13 +0100, Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.>
wrote:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:45:42 GMT, OldDog <OldDog@city.pound.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I have to either double click on the post or use CTRL+N to get the msg
>>to open up in the preview pane. Not a biggie since I'm currently
>>double clicking to get thru the msgs; although the N key would have
>>been better.
>
>Did you do what I suggested before?:
>"I think you can sort that on out by right clicking on a group name,
>select Default Properties>Retrieving Messages>Tick "Retrieve bodies
>for all new messages"
>
>That lets me download all the messages automatically after the bodies
>and the N key works just fine.
>

I've set all the newsgroups to Retrive bodies for all new msgs. But
I'm still having to CTRL-N thru each one. Or double click them.

>The other crucial options for me are:
>Options>General Preferences>Navigation and
>Menus>Navigation>Automatically mark messages read>Whenever the message
>body is visible
>

I did this too. But now I'm having to fight with the Properties for
each Group. There's a setting in there when to mark a msg as read.
I did something today, like accidently hit the N key while on the last
msg in here, and it skipped to my IBM-Sportsnewsgroup and marked all
the msgs in the IBM Action section as read.

doh!

Also, I'm not sure why there's two different places to mark a msg as
being read? One overrides the other?

What setting are you using for the Group/Property/When to Mark Read?

>Options>General Preferences>Display>Message List Pane>Initial Thread
>Setting>Expand All Threads.
>

I sort of like the Collapse thread. But to each his own.

>And my taste for window layout is:
>Options>Window Layout>select the 4th layout of pane.
>Options>Save as default window layout
>IMO that makes best use of the screen real estate.

I'm using that layout too. I wouldn't mind if I could just close the
Subscribed Groups and just have two panes. And then use the menu to
select another newsgroup.

Thanks again Andrew, and the rest, for suggestions on using Agent.

OldDog.

 

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Thus spake Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.>, Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:40:45 +0100,
Anno Domini:

>On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:33:56 -0500, bk039@ncf.ca (Raymond Martineau)
>wrote:
>
>>That reminds me - is there any way to set that to only download bodies for
>>unread messages? I've been setting my killfilter to mark postings as read,
>>and using that option auto-downloads those killed messages anyway.
>
>Sorry, I don't know. I have always just downloaded everything, even
>when I was in dial-up hell.

Same here

And tx for the window layout tip - sure can see much more of the msg body on
my new 1280x1024 LCD that way!

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[Andrew]

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:38:33 GMT, OldDog <OldDog@city.pound.com>
wrote:

>Also, I'm not sure why there's two different places to mark a msg as
>being read? One overrides the other?

Make sure you aren't getting confused with the group properties and
the default properties. It is generally best to make the changes to
the default properties.

>What setting are you using for the Group/Property/When to Mark Read?

Do not mark any existing messages read.

>Thanks again Andrew, and the rest, for suggestions on using Agent.

No worries, I like helping people steer away from the evils of OE and
enjoy Usenet as it is meant to be 🙂
--
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"Andrew" <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote in message
news:9coo415pvli6u3p2cjb286kakbtnimtlpq@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 20:38:33 GMT, OldDog <OldDog@city.pound.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Also, I'm not sure why there's two different places to mark a msg as
> >being read? One overrides the other?
>
> Make sure you aren't getting confused with the group properties and
> the default properties. It is generally best to make the changes to
> the default properties.
>
> >What setting are you using for the Group/Property/When to Mark Read?
>
> Do not mark any existing messages read.
>

That's what I set them to earlier today. Right now I happen to be in
Outlook Express. I'm bouncing between the two checking out a few
differences. Hopefully, when I go back to Agent, I'll be done with OE.

> >Thanks again Andrew, and the rest, for suggestions on using Agent.
>
> No worries, I like helping people steer away from the evils of OE and
> enjoy Usenet as it is meant to be 🙂
> --

Sounds like you won't be one of those invited to spend a weekend at Bill
Gate's multi-million dollar home on the water.... I'll swap some cookies
and pretzels for you. ;-)

 

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Thus spake Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net>, Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:16:29 -0500,
Anno Domini:

>Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.> looked up from reading the entrails of the
>porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>
>>And my taste for window layout is:
>>Options>Window Layout>select the 4th layout of pane.
>>Options>Save as default window layout
>>IMO that makes best use of the screen real estate.
>
>Always preferred #6 myself - altered to have 3 lines for subscribed
>groups, 3 lines for messages, the rest for display of the message body.
>
>I don't pick and choose among the threads, I just go through them in
>order skipping/ignoring ones I have no interest in.
>
>Xocyll

I've gone back to #1 - the reason is (other than the default is sometimes
the best , because if I want to make the body wide enough to always show
80 columns, then #4 (as Andrew suggested & looked good at first) needs to
make the overall window way too wide (almost full screen), which is a lot of
eyework left<->right on a 1280x1024 screen; also, the headers are way too
short, not seeing the full subject or author if the thread is deep half the
time. So, back to #1, with 10 lines for group/header, but the groups list is
only a small square as most group names are short; and the rest below as msg
body which guarantees no line wrap .

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[Andrew]

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 22:56:29 GMT, "OldDog" <OldDog@city.pound> wrote:

>Sounds like you won't be one of those invited to spend a weekend at Bill
>Gate's multi-million dollar home on the water.... I'll swap some cookies
>and pretzels for you. ;-)

Sounds like a fair trade off so I don't have to endure OE 🙂

A friend of mine phoned me up last night, he is an average computer
user and keeps using OE despite my advice and about 3 previous major
virus attacks, he says "there is a new virus going around and my OE
has it and it has stopped working, have you heard about it? What can I
do?", I said I am not the best person to ask as I don't use OE and
have never had a virus so I don't bother keep up with what virus does
what. I told him to use Gmail or another email client and give up on
OE.
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bk039@ncf.ca (Raymond Martineau) looked up from reading the entrails of
the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:20:13 -0500, Xocyll <Xocyll@kingston.net> wrote:
>
>>bk039@ncf.ca (Raymond Martineau) looked up from reading the entrails of
>>the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:00:06 +0100, Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think you can sort that on out by right clicking on a group name,
>>>>select Default Properties>Retrieving Messages>Tick "Retrieve bodies
>>>>for all new messages". There are another load of options you may like
>>>>to check out in there too 🙂
>>>
>>>That reminds me - is there any way to set that to only download bodies for
>>>unread messages? I've been setting my killfilter to mark postings as read,
>>>and using that option auto-downloads those killed messages anyway.
>>>
>>>I do know about the CTRL-N workaround - hold it down, and it queues up all
>>>other messages for downloading - plus I have a progress indicator on how
>>>many posts still need to be downloaded.
>>>
>>>Other than this small issue, Agent is perfect.
>>
>>What you said - no, "read" by definition means you have to have the body
>>of the message.
>
>By definition of Forte Agent, "read" is simply a flag that indicates that
>the user has not read a given posting. This can be overridden by either
>using a kill-filter, or by rightclicking on the message without the body,
>and clicking "Mark as Read".
>
>I have plenty of "read" messages without bodies - sometimes, I mark all
>postings in a newsgroup read to skip past one newsgroup (a high-traffic but
>low content one).

Yes you can manually apply "read" to a message without a body, but, if
you are automatically downloading bodies when you dl new headers, it
won't be applied by a filter until AFTER the message body is downloaded.

That is exactly the situation the poster I replied to asked about.

>>What you can do though is ignore the message - then the body will NOT
>>get downloaded.
>
>With Agent, ignoring only works at the thread level. Aside from
>kill-filters, there is no way to do anything similar (and even then, it
>only allows either deletion or marking the message as read.)

Ignore will indeed only ignore the entire thread - IF you have messages
sorted by thread.
Any other sorting and it will ignore that message only.

This is one of the places Agent falls down a bit in it's
configurability.

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr