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Ok, I'm a firm believer that there is no such thing as a stupid question, but I guess I'll have to label myself an apostate now.
No, of course not.
No, of course not.
crazazyasian1337
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sigh. i go to this school and the policy was that if a computer was lost or stolen, the school would take a picture with the webcam and a screen cap of what was on the screen of the lost computer when it was first turned on after being stolen.
Jeannie, to put a stupid question could happen, even if it shouldn't, and is already disappointing. The damage control attempt, restricting it to "school hours", is even more so... But to insist on, and even defend it, is below any critic. Can you get any lower?
Are there any pressures from the big brother/nanny police state to push this through?
Are there any pressures from the big brother/nanny police state to push this through?
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Privacy? It's the school's computer and the student is supposed to be doing school work and only school work on the computer. It's only the people who want to step outside of those parameters who are doing the complaining about being monitored. If they don't want to be monitored, don't use the school's computer. Get your own computer.
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[citation][nom]ossie[/nom]Jeannie, to put a stupid question could happen, even if it shouldn't, and is already disappointing. The damage control attempt, restricting it to "school hours", is even more so... But to insist on, and even defend it, is below any critic. Can you get any lower?Are there any pressures from the big brother/nanny police state to push this through?[/citation]
Jeannie is not my name. Please stop calling me that. This is the third time in two weeks!
It's not damage control, it's my opinion. The point of these QOTD posts is to generate an interesting discussion. As far as I know, I'm allowed to take part in these discussions.
Would you have a problem with a teacher looking over your child's shoulder during class?
Jeannie is not my name. Please stop calling me that. This is the third time in two weeks!
It's not damage control, it's my opinion. The point of these QOTD posts is to generate an interesting discussion. As far as I know, I'm allowed to take part in these discussions.
Would you have a problem with a teacher looking over your child's shoulder during class?
surfer1337dude
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[citation][nom]Gin Fushicho[/nom]University's make most of they're budget through the cost of entering school , not through the cost of tax payer money. Hell getting into a university costs about as much as 10 or 20 Macbook pro's if they're the expensive kind.[/citation]
True....too bad these are highschools/intermdiate school....
I dont really understand the point of giving laptops too the students. The schools have regular desktops for the students, why do they need these?!....
True....too bad these are highschools/intermdiate school....
I dont really understand the point of giving laptops too the students. The schools have regular desktops for the students, why do they need these?!....
[citation][nom]JMcEntegart[/nom]Jeannie is not my name. Please stop calling me that. This is the third time in two weeks!It's not damage control, it's my opinion. The point of these QOTD posts is to generate an interesting discussion. As far as I know, I'm allowed to take part in these discussions.Would you have a problem with a teacher looking over your child's shoulder during class?[/citation]
My profound excuses, Ms. McEntegart. I hope it's to your satisfaction.
What would you call putting first a broad question in support of the surveillance society:
"Do You Think Schools Should Be Allowed to Monitor Students Via School-owned Laptops?"
and later, after a lot of negative comments, stepping back to:
"inside school hours", whatever that means?
Of course you're entitled to an opinion, but as the person who reports the news, you should refrain from expressing personal views. If it's a personal opinion article, then you should clearly state that, speaking in the first person. Mixing the two isn't very professional, and a breach of deontological ethics.
As a side note, the late "innovation" by ending many articles with a mostly unnecessary question for personal comments, or opinions, isn't exactly a great addition - the comments section was already there, and still is...
You seem to make a confusion between "a teacher looking over your child's shoulder during class" and the implementation of covert surveillance means, which, as already proven, open the way to more and deeper abuses.
The continuous erosion of fundamental rights, and rise of state employee abuse of police state legislation, is already bad enough. There is no need - except from the view of overzealous bureaucrats on a power trip - to train our children into blind acceptance of such.
My profound excuses, Ms. McEntegart. I hope it's to your satisfaction.
What would you call putting first a broad question in support of the surveillance society:
"Do You Think Schools Should Be Allowed to Monitor Students Via School-owned Laptops?"
and later, after a lot of negative comments, stepping back to:
"inside school hours", whatever that means?
Of course you're entitled to an opinion, but as the person who reports the news, you should refrain from expressing personal views. If it's a personal opinion article, then you should clearly state that, speaking in the first person. Mixing the two isn't very professional, and a breach of deontological ethics.
As a side note, the late "innovation" by ending many articles with a mostly unnecessary question for personal comments, or opinions, isn't exactly a great addition - the comments section was already there, and still is...
You seem to make a confusion between "a teacher looking over your child's shoulder during class" and the implementation of covert surveillance means, which, as already proven, open the way to more and deeper abuses.
The continuous erosion of fundamental rights, and rise of state employee abuse of police state legislation, is already bad enough. There is no need - except from the view of overzealous bureaucrats on a power trip - to train our children into blind acceptance of such.
bp 4575
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My school spies on our screens, not through webcams. I found a way to get around it though, I made a Connect four drawing in one of the Admin allowed programs (paint.net, we just use the fill tool) and they can't block it lol.
So any oppinions whether this should be allowed or not?
So any oppinions whether this should be allowed or not?
another no...
I'm 23 and have always been careful of my own privacy,to the extend of writing my own java app for PSK encryption/decryption on my phone for messages between me and My girlfriend
I live in iran and well... it is kind of a George Orwell 1984 country, but I know how to keep my life, phone calls, and Emails, out of the goverments poket, others around me/us, might not know..
I'm 23 and have always been careful of my own privacy,to the extend of writing my own java app for PSK encryption/decryption on my phone for messages between me and My girlfriend
I live in iran and well... it is kind of a George Orwell 1984 country, but I know how to keep my life, phone calls, and Emails, out of the goverments poket, others around me/us, might not know..
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Shit like this is why homeschool is becoming more and more popular.
That, and the complete failure of the education system to graduate past the industrial age. Training kids for jobs that no longer exist. Yeah thanks. No wonder kids don't care anymore.
That, and the complete failure of the education system to graduate past the industrial age. Training kids for jobs that no longer exist. Yeah thanks. No wonder kids don't care anymore.
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[citation][nom]ossie[/nom]What would you call putting first a broad question in support of the surveillance society:"Do You Think Schools Should Be Allowed to Monitor Students Via School-owned Laptops?"and later, after a lot of negative comments, stepping back to:"inside school hours", whatever that means?Of course you're entitled to an opinion, but as the person who reports the news, you should refrain from expressing personal views. If it's a personal opinion article, then you should clearly state that, speaking in the first person. Mixing the two isn't very professional, and a breach of deontological ethics.As a side note, the late "innovation" by ending many articles with a mostly unnecessary question for personal comments, or opinions, isn't exactly a great addition - the comments section was already there, and still is...You seem to make a confusion between "a teacher looking over your child's shoulder during class" and the implementation of covert surveillance means, which, as already proven, open the way to more and deeper abuses.[/citation]
1. Yes, it was a broad question but I genuinely do not think it was "in support of the surveillance society." The question was (and still is), do you think an institute of education handing out laptops for school use has the right to monitor what children do on those laptops?
2. I didn't just chime in with my personal opinion "after a lot of negative comments." The article was posted after I finished work. Once I was done watching the hockey, I came to check comments and gave my two cents.
3. Inside school hours means while the child is in class.
4. The QOTD series has been around for nearly a year. It focuses on current affairs in the tech industry. It is not a news post, and it is clearly marked with a QOTD tag. We have covered the issues in this week's QOTD already in news posts. These are clearly linked in the article.
5. It is not a "late innovation." I have been doing it since late 2008/early 2009 and I see nothing wrong with encouraging people to post their own views. You may not like it but at the end of the day, I can't please everyone and it has helped promote interesting discussions, which makes the site more interesting for a lot of people. You can't argue with results.
6. I'm not promoting 'covert surveillance.' I'm saying if kids aren't allowed to pass notes in class, they should not be allowed to chat on AIM. If they're not allowed organise their social calendars while their teacher is speaking, they should not be allowed check their Facebook.
1. Yes, it was a broad question but I genuinely do not think it was "in support of the surveillance society." The question was (and still is), do you think an institute of education handing out laptops for school use has the right to monitor what children do on those laptops?
2. I didn't just chime in with my personal opinion "after a lot of negative comments." The article was posted after I finished work. Once I was done watching the hockey, I came to check comments and gave my two cents.
3. Inside school hours means while the child is in class.
4. The QOTD series has been around for nearly a year. It focuses on current affairs in the tech industry. It is not a news post, and it is clearly marked with a QOTD tag. We have covered the issues in this week's QOTD already in news posts. These are clearly linked in the article.
5. It is not a "late innovation." I have been doing it since late 2008/early 2009 and I see nothing wrong with encouraging people to post their own views. You may not like it but at the end of the day, I can't please everyone and it has helped promote interesting discussions, which makes the site more interesting for a lot of people. You can't argue with results.
6. I'm not promoting 'covert surveillance.' I'm saying if kids aren't allowed to pass notes in class, they should not be allowed to chat on AIM. If they're not allowed organise their social calendars while their teacher is speaking, they should not be allowed check their Facebook.
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Monitoring software should be used. Keylogger type stuff, web monitoring type stuff. Visually SPYING on children with a camera is so far over the line it's almost inconceivable. It's vulgar, obscene, disgusting. It makes me sick. If I was a parent with children at that school I would HAPPILY pay tuition for them to go somewhere else. The school paid for the laptops? So what? That does not give them the right, not even the merest whisper of a right, to have the ability to spy on a child in their own home.
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If they are in school, yes by all means. It is the schools laptop, they can do as they wish. Outside school, no.
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the pedo argument seems to be bought up a lot in these cases, when it should really be, you don't want anyone invading your privacy.
I don't care who it is, if it is not on school grounds then it is off limits to the school to monitor.
the schools should only have access to publicly available info. for example, location data (there many ways of tracking laptops that do not invade privacy). When I get to test laptops, especially gaming ones, there's often a number of tracking devices on them (none are software based, I don't care that they have GPS data the system, they know where I live anyway)
but if a webcam can be monitored then that's going too far and there will be tape covering the camera.
also many of the non software tracking solutions use the cellphone network instead of the internet,
the public school is using software to track the laptops, anyone could easily steal it and wipe the hard drive and use it as their own. but they will have a harder time dealing with a laptop in which additional hardware is in there and also covered in some kind of epoxy like stuff.
if the school cant afford to to do that to the laptops then simply make the laptop optional for home use, in which if they want to leave the school with it, they need to sign a form where if it is damaged or lost or stolen then they have to pay for a replacement.
I don't care who it is, if it is not on school grounds then it is off limits to the school to monitor.
the schools should only have access to publicly available info. for example, location data (there many ways of tracking laptops that do not invade privacy). When I get to test laptops, especially gaming ones, there's often a number of tracking devices on them (none are software based, I don't care that they have GPS data the system, they know where I live anyway)
but if a webcam can be monitored then that's going too far and there will be tape covering the camera.
also many of the non software tracking solutions use the cellphone network instead of the internet,
the public school is using software to track the laptops, anyone could easily steal it and wipe the hard drive and use it as their own. but they will have a harder time dealing with a laptop in which additional hardware is in there and also covered in some kind of epoxy like stuff.
if the school cant afford to to do that to the laptops then simply make the laptop optional for home use, in which if they want to leave the school with it, they need to sign a form where if it is damaged or lost or stolen then they have to pay for a replacement.
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