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the monitor is 1680x1050 so would i needa 24" monitor also ima getting 2 seagates 750gb hds but for now thats what im going to be working with after i get thoses parts ima get the rest month by month so is it best if i ahve 3 os on one hd so i can boot off them thx for the info
 
What is so "left field" about it?

Did you read the link?

Quad core is here and it is cost-effective. And the Tyan mobo would certainly give you bragging rights ... A dual quad-core system with 64 GB!

Then top that off with SAS/SATA disk storage. I like the idea of RAID 5, but think about doing that only for your SATA drives. Put your OS -- or OS's -- on the SAS drives. They are faster and they are Enterprise quality. You can beat the crap out of them -- thrash, snarl, chew -- and they'll still deliver. The Seagate 750 GB's are great drives. Get those or get some Raptor's for your SATA sub-system. [The best performing drives can be seen at http://www.storagereview.com/ They have the best listings I've seen. Is there any better? ]

PC Power & Cooling makes an awesome 1KW PSU. It is what AMD, NVIDIA, etc. use when they build out a demo system. Very dependable. I've had puss PSU's go out on me. Never again. Spend a couple extra bucks and get the quality, and peace of mind.

For large monitor's, CRT's are still more cost effective, and faster especially for gaming. For cheap prices check out
http://www.azatek.com/
LCD's are cooler though and take less space. PC World still thinks the Dell Ultrasharp 2407WFP is good. Check out
http://www.pcworld.com/ic/monitors/#
though it's been a few years since I've investigated this....


--M
 
ill look in to it but about this what you said ealier about the server mobo tyain whats so great about that one when i can jsut build a smiple rig also will it cost me alot more then what i already picked out can you help me out like give me some thought on if i was to get the mobo you said and list the parts etc on what i need and ill see how it goes
 
May I ask why 8800 GTS and not 8800 GTX? Considering the rest of the components you have picked, the price difference would only add 5% to 10% to your total cost.
 
I like the components you already have.

The Tyan is intended more for server's, especially since it doesn't have any audio stuff built in. It would take some work to build it out. E.g.

2GB FBDIMM's (buy at KOMUSA) are $349 apiece. Get two for $700.
The Tyan S5383WG4NR mobo is around $400.
The E5345 is $1029, and for two is $2060.
The Dell Ultrasharp 2407WFP is about $700, by two is $1400.
Raptor 150's for $220 (at NewEgg), three drives (less rebate) $560.
IBM 26K5699 IBM Hard drive - 146.8GB - hot-swap - 3.5 - SAS - 15000 rpm ... $455.

I haven't a case, a PSU, audio, video, mouse, kbd, nor Burner's and I'm somewhat over $3300 ... [punctuation, however, is free]

Nothing wrong with a simple rig though 8)

--M
 
make sure you get the 4-4-4-12 800mhz, buy 2, 74 gig raptors and raid 0 them!

nice psu = i like module - strider series from silverstone you can find that psu for less -its $140-$150 @east luna - kiiler psu super cool - cool temps is #1 the psu hardly gets hot with crossfire x1900xtx and overclocked cpu's

you might 1 month and get the QE6600 - u can run it 3.2ghz and it be $400 less - take the $400 and put it into the video card.

asus board the middle one ( i think its called p5n32-e sli)the best the strider is too expensive - unless you really need its features - if u ask me - since u asked - lol

the sound card is waste, unless u doing recording - the highend boards have killer descrete audio - sound cards are dead!


with all the savings i listed you can buy 2 8800gtx instead - your system will be just as fast, faster to boot. your sound will be the same with the extra card - and u have unreal frame rates!


APEVIA X-Navigator Metal Case-Black/Silver
ASUS NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard
eVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS
Logitech Z-5500 505 Watts 5.1 Speaker
Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150
SeaSonic M12 SS-700HM ATX12V/ EPS12V 700W Power Supply
SCEPTRE x22wg-Gamer Black 22" 5ms DVI Widescreen HDMI LCD Monitor
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 2.66GHz
Creative SOUND BLASTER X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS 7.1 Channels
SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write, LightScribe Technology
NEC 16X DVD±R DVD Burner Beige IDE Model ND-3550A
Logitech MX Revolution 931689-0403 Black 7 Buttons 2x Wheels USB RF Wireless Laser Mouse


http://www.warpedsystems.net/ - my site sucks my computers kick ass check ebay!
 
lastly if not going to sli it - check out p5w-dh - newegg had returned ones for $160, - u just call asus for the parts u might need. i lov the p5w-dh even the its last years board.

pwd-dh is eally nice board it run 375-420 x 4 fsb


The raid 0, 2 raptors, u definitely like it! you can raid just part of each drive then - make a D & E drive for back up i the raid melts - not other drives needed! install the raid on half then format the other half in windows you have 3 drives
 
DO not raid 5 ---raid 5 suxs on nvidia and intel onboard controllers - i been building raid systems for 3 years, i built 3 raid 5 systems last year they all crashed.

the controllers get overloaded i think and crash. as said i build raid 0 and they are all running as far as i know.

raid 10 is 50/50

some crashed after a month - some crashed in a day!
 
I have no idea what you're doing wrong, but I've never had issues with RAID-5, on either Intel South-Bridges or NV-RAID setups.

It could be the quantity of HDDs you're using (esp if RAID 0/1 gives you trouble, as that requires at least 4 HDDs, RAID-5 requires at least 3, but all your 2 HDD setups work).

- This indicates to me you're likely just using poor quality PSUs in the systems.
 
make sure you get the 4-4-4-12 800mhz, buy 2, 74 gig raptors and raid 0 them!

nice psu = i like module - strider series from silverstone you can find that psu for less -its $140-$150 @east luna - kiiler psu super cool - cool temps is #1 the psu hardly gets hot with crossfire x1900xtx and overclocked cpu's

you might 1 month and get the QE6600 - u can run it 3.2ghz and it be $400 less - take the $400 and put it into the video card.

asus board the middle one ( i think its called p5n32-e sli)the best the strider is too expensive - unless you really need its features - if u ask me - since u asked - lol

the sound card is waste, unless u doing recording - the highend boards have killer descrete audio - sound cards are dead!


with all the savings i listed you can buy 2 8800gtx instead - your system will be just as fast, faster to boot. your sound will be the same with the extra card - and u have unreal frame rates!


APEVIA X-Navigator Metal Case-Black/Silver
ASUS NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800
Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard
eVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS
Logitech Z-5500 505 Watts 5.1 Speaker
Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150
SeaSonic M12 SS-700HM ATX12V/ EPS12V 700W Power Supply
SCEPTRE x22wg-Gamer Black 22" 5ms DVI Widescreen HDMI LCD Monitor
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 2.66GHz
Creative SOUND BLASTER X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS 7.1 Channels
SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write, LightScribe Technology
NEC 16X DVD±R DVD Burner Beige IDE Model ND-3550A
Logitech MX Revolution 931689-0403 Black 7 Buttons 2x Wheels USB RF Wireless Laser Mouse


http://www.warpedsystems.net/ - my site sucks my computers kick ass check ebay!
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ok ill look into im going to 2 74gb raptors(hopefully i save some money) wait til the qe6600 comes out which will be cheaper fot the mobo im thinking about changing to evga 680i since its cheaper at newegg there sold out of the asus 680i ill drop the sound card to save some money ill look into that silverstone psu but i heard seasonic is one of the best thx for the info
 
DO not raid 5 ---raid 5 suxs on nvidia and intel onboard controllers - i been building raid systems for 3 years, i built 3 raid 5 systems last year they all crashed.

the controllers get overloaded i think and crash. as said i build raid 0 and they are all running as far as i know.

raid 10 is 50/50

some crashed after a month - some crashed in a day!
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i have no clue on raid yet im thinking about it still just need more im put on it cause ive never done raid before
 
I like the components you already have.

The Tyan is intended more for server's, especially since it doesn't have any audio stuff built in. It would take some work to build it out. E.g.

2GB FBDIMM's (buy at KOMUSA) are $349 apiece. Get two for $700.
The Tyan S5383WG4NR mobo is around $400.
The E5345 is $1029, and for two is $2060.
The Dell Ultrasharp 2407WFP is about $700, by two is $1400.
Raptor 150's for $220 (at NewEgg), three drives (less rebate) $560.
IBM 26K5699 IBM Hard drive - 146.8GB - hot-swap - 3.5 - SAS - 15000 rpm ... $455.

I haven't a case, a PSU, audio, video, mouse, kbd, nor Burner's and I'm somewhat over $3300 ... [punctuation, however, is free]

Nothing wrong with a simple rig though 8)

--M
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i never really made a server pc before i just stuck with desktops or laptops plus its way expensive thx for the insight tho
 
lastly if not going to sli it - check out p5w-dh - newegg had returned ones for $160, - u just call asus for the parts u might need. i lov the p5w-dh even the its last years board.

pwd-dh is eally nice board it run 375-420 x 4 fsb


The raid 0, 2 raptors, u definitely like it! you can raid just part of each drive then - make a D & E drive for back up i the raid melts - not other drives needed! install the raid on half then format the other half in windows you have 3 drives
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what psu watt would i need if i was to run sli for either 8800gts or 8800gtx
i may run sli later
 
Figure in, a core 2 duo is 75 watts - quad core is 130 watts, add to that if oc. Then add, the GPU's, they use ~ 150 watts, plus during heavy gaming, - all that heat means alot of watts remember the heat is the wasted juice the rendering energy is not heat.

so figure 400 watts just for sli and quad core, 225 for c2d and single gpu. best psu is 80% effecient so that means you need nearly500 watts to get 400 in the compnets - the other 100 is what u feel out of the psu fan.

8800's use alot of juice - the minimum psu i would use is 600 watt silverstone which is 675 watts/42 amps with C2D and ~$110

to be safe and if you upgrade to SLI and quad core use the 750w/54 amps@12v ~$140


first, the better psu is more efficient - it will run cooler then the lower amp one - believe or not!

second, you better off running a psu at mid level like a car engine - below 2000 rpms a 4cyl bogs down over 3500 rpm you putting a lot of wear and ter on the engine. So to be its a not brain-er - if you are going to go Q-core one day and plan on running high end gpu's, spend extra and use the 750w.

I use the 750 on my big machines $3-4k, 600 strider (really a 675 watt) on all my mid level gamers and hipro 600 watt on my noobie systems.

if you check out my high end systems when they are listed on ebay, wapredsystems, u see i list a hipro and upgrades. i actually do not list that i always use better psu's and mobos! Too small PSU is #1 problem when building systems. Crappy mobo is #2! Too little spent on the gpu and too much on the rest is #3!

http://www.warpedsystems.net/ the "need4speed"
 
Figure in, a core 2 duo is 75 watts - quad core is 130 watts, add to that if oc. Then add, the GPU's, they use ~ 150 watts, plus during heavy gaming, - all that heat means alot of watts remember the heat is the wasted juice the rendering energy is not heat.

so figure 400 watts just for sli and quad core, 225 for c2d and single gpu. best psu is 80% effecient so that means you need nearly500 watts to get 400 in the compnets - the other 100 is what u feel out of the psu fan.

8800's use alot of juice - the minimum psu i would use is 600 watt silverstone which is 675 watts/42 amps with C2D and ~$110

to be safe and if you upgrade to SLI and quad core use the 750w/54 amps@12v ~$140


first, the better psu is more efficient - it will run cooler then the lower amp one - believe or not!

second, you better off running a psu at mid level like a car engine - below 2000 rpms a 4cyl bogs down over 3500 rpm you putting a lot of wear and ter on the engine. So to be its a not brain-er - if you are going to go Q-core one day and plan on running high end gpu's, spend extra and use the 750w.

I use the 750 on my big machines $3-4k, 600 strider (really a 675 watt) on all my mid level gamers and hipro 600 watt on my noobie systems.

if you check out my high end systems when they are listed on ebay, wapredsystems, u see i list a hipro and upgrades. i actually do not list that i always use better psu's and mobos! Too small PSU is #1 problem when building systems. Crappy mobo is #2! Too little spent on the gpu and too much on the rest is #3!

http://www.warpedsystems.net/ the "need4speed"
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so im better off with a 750watt and not a 700watt ill go look up seasonics 750watt then
 
Look what was waiting for me at home on Friday:



I am organizing myself to do the build this weekend.... to give you some insight.

The initial build will be done using the following HW:

- ASUS P5W DH Deluxe Bios 1801
- 4 Gig of Corsair Memory XMS2 DDR2-800, CL4
- EVGA nVidia 8800 GTX (single).
- Powersupply ThermalTake 650 Watt PSU
- ThermalTake Armour case/chassis
- Zalman 9700 or, more likely, Scythe Ninja -- need to get the fan tomorrow.

I will redo the build with an Asus Striker Extreme and another 8800 GTX video card to support SLI in the near future --- waiting for availability and to let the bugs work out of the 680i chipset.

YO_KID37 has asked that I document the build, and report on traps and such, I will oblige for both builds types --- using the P5W and the Striker.

Jack
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sweet let me know how it goes man 😀
 
I got confirmation today that my Kentsfield is shipping, should have it in a few days, I am then going to do some clocking/FSB/BW measurements -- you may want to wait until I have the data, I can let you know of there is a performance hit against the FSB and what MB to buy.
It may save you some money to hold off a week or two.

Jack
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Looking forward to it Jack, a lot of people were saying Kentsfield would be starved of bandwith with the 1066MHz FSB, but from what I've seen there is at most only a few percent difference between 1066MHz and 1333MHz bus speeds.
 
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