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I'm thinking of upgrading my X800XL to an 1900XT or XTX. Based on the 3Dmarks I've seen, that would be rougly a double increase in speed?


I just started playing Dungeon & Dragons Online / EQ II and both are not up to par with my current card.

My system

Intel 3.2 ghz
2 gigs ram
ASUS P5AD2-E Premium
 
The XTX is not worth the extra money. It has little higher clock speeds. Is it worth over $100 for like 25MHz faster core?
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If one is insane, quite possibly, as in if someone has more money than brains and never uses the included OCing software. I would have to agree that the XTX is not worth it (unless you want to crossfire, because I think that XTX is the Master Card in the 1900 series) and you can always OC that sumbeesh up and over XTX speeds.
 
The master card is in fact a XT - strangely enough, so a XTX will be a waste of money. You don't even have to OC it, it's about 2-5% slower than the XTX, and who can complain if you are hitting high fps?
 
Is my current system sufficient? or would I need to get a new MB? and what is the min power supply you should have?

With xFIre, both cards run at set clockrate, so a system with a XT and a XTX would indeed be slightly faster than a dual XT rig.
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I don't know whether ur mobo is AGP or PCI Express. But you will need a PCIexpress mobo for starters. A good quality 450W PSU is second. Your CPU will most likely bottleneck your performance on very high resolutions and IQ, but I'm surviving with 3.2 P4.
 
Intel 3.2 ghz
2 gigs ram
ASUS P5AD2-E Premium

I'm using an X800XL ATI currently. It's PCIE.


I don't know whether ur mobo is AGP or PCI Express. But you will need a PCIexpress mobo for starters. A good quality 450W PSU is second. Your CPU will most likely bottleneck your performance on very high resolutions and IQ, but I'm surviving with 3.2 P4.
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:!: I Agree With unreal111 , Wait For 7900 Series , The X1900 Series Will Have a Good Price Droping When 7900 Series Comes Out :!:
 
What's a good price to pay after that happens? Right now you can get the ATI 1900XTX for 549.00


:!: I Agree With unreal111 , Wait For 7900 Series , The X1900 Series Will Have a Good Price Droping When 7900 Series Comes Out :!:
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I wouldn't count on the X1900XTX dropping much lower than $550 for several months yet. The 7900 killer will be priced higher, and performance it seems isn't gonna do ATI much of a blow as it has been speculated, plus wouldn't be surprized if the 7900 is once again sold for more than retail as history shows us.
 
The XTX is not worth the extra money. It has little higher clock speeds. Is it worth over $100 for like 25MHz faster core?
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If one is insane, quite possibly, as in if someone has more money than brains and never uses the included OCing software. I would have to agree that the XTX is not worth it (unless you want to crossfire, because I think that XTX is the Master Card in the 1900 series) and you can always OC that sumbeesh up and over XTX speeds.

I have seen dozens of people say this, it makes no sense. If you can overclock an XT to XTX speeds, then you can OVERCLOCK AN XTX to higher speeds as well. You are paying more for a faster card, period. I have an 1900XTX, real ATI, not some cheap HIS or whatever the hell you people buy. Yes I can afford it, so I wanted the faster card. The XTX will always be faster than the XT. I went from an X850XT PE to the 1900XTX, and it is worth every penny. If you want a better card, no matter how insignificant some may think the difference is, get the XTX.

Also, people who use Macs are hippies.
 
i just found out that sapphire is comng out with a liquid cooled x1900xtx take a look at the website for the press release. it looks bad a$$

www.sapphiretech.com
 
I have an 1900XTX, real ATI, not some cheap HIS or whatever the hell you people buy.
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you lost all credibility with that statement. :roll:

How so? Would you buy a Ferrari made by Hyundai?
 
Of course not, but I'm pretty sure there is a company that went out of business because they ran out of profit due to the fact they werent relying on 3rd party manufacturers. Called 3dfx I do believe (this is probably too old for you teenagers, theyre the ones who pioneered SLI). Correct me on the out of business one if I'm wrong.

And about your analogy... its not even accurate. A more accurate one would be this. Would you buy a Ferrari if the Ferrari wasnt made by parts fabricated by the people who designed the car? Oh wait... They aren't? Nevermind then.
Same goes with ATI manufacturing the cards. The people who design the cards shouldnt be responsible for making it as well. That slows down development... Kindof... but more importantly it reduces profits greatly. So that analogy is "pwned" in my opinion.
 
Of course not, but I'm pretty sure there is a company that went out of business because they ran out of profit due to the fact they werent relying on 3rd party manufacturers. Called 3dfx I do believe (this is probably too old for you teenagers, theyre the ones who pioneered SLI). Correct me on the out of business one if I'm wrong.

And about your analogy... its not even accurate. A more accurate one would be this. Would you buy a Ferrari if the Ferrari wasnt made by parts fabricated by the people who designed the car? Oh wait... They aren't? Nevermind then.
Same goes with ATI manufacturing the cards. The people who design the cards shouldnt be responsible for making it as well. That slows down development... Kindof... but more importantly it reduces profits greatly. So that analogy is "pwned" in my opinion.
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Your analogy makes even less sense than mine. I know a few people that have bought 3rd party cards, and wish they hadn't because the card would overheat (not because of OCing) or just die in general, but if you think they are better, go for it. And who still uses "pwned" nowadays, other than people who have never seen a naked woman? What do you know anyways, your computer probably says E-machines on the front.
 
You may have some argument in the fact that 3rd party companies can be unreliable... some of them, not all of them. Like my Chaintech TI4200. Fan crapped out after two years. My current BFG 6800gt, overheats very rarely, think I'm going to replace it or buy a X1900xt. But the point is this, manufacturers aren't horrible because they arent the company that developed the product. The ones that crap out just make cheap products. Reliable ones on the Nvidia side are EVGA, BFG (less my situation), and Asus. So before you condemn every manufacturer out there but the ones who developed the product... do some more research or try more than one manufacturer before making final judgments.

As far as the pwned is concerned, I too think its overused hence the "..." around it.

As far as the logo on my case... well there isnt one, unless you count thermaltake and the other product stickers that came with my parts.

As far as your remark on naked women... I really dont want to start a fight in this forum. I just found it funny, thats all.
 
I understand what you are saying. I'm sure that there are SOME ok 3rd party maufacturers out there. I myself have never bought a card from one, mainly beacause as I mentioned before several people I know that did regret doing so. Just scroll through the forum topics and look at all the one's like "X850 Sapphire overheating..."

I think that even you would have to agree that if you are going to spend $600 dollars for a MSI or whatever type X1900XTX, you may as well just put up another $20 or $30 bucks for an actual ATI X1900XTX (I'm sure my prices are not accurate, just an example)." I also find that when you DO upgrade your card it is much easier to sell an "ATI X850XT PE" than an "Asus X850XT PE." And I'm sure that BFG does a fine job on Nvidia's side, but I wouldn't know, since I stick with ATI through thick and thin.

The bottom line is, the OP should buy the XTX (so should you if you are considering the XT). As fast as video cards become obsolete nowadays, it makes no sense to buy one that is already obsolete. I would rather buy the XTX and at least enjoy having the best for about 2 weeks.

I hope you see where I'm coming from. If ATI worked the same as Nvidia and I HAD to buy from a 3rd party, I would, and maybe I would like it. But Because they do make their own cards, I just don't feel sorry for someone who complains that the fan on their MSI x1800 died or that their Chaintech X850XT causes the system to crash.
 
I think for the basic guy buying a card, the XT vs XTX principal applies where XTX is overpriced. IF, one is to OC, then the argument might move a bit to the XTX. Still expensive in my view

Some people have the cash to blow on the very best, some buy from 3rd parties to save some bucks etc.. I got my first Foxcon (seeing that ATi is fabless GPU manufacturer) X1800XL (non OC'd) last year, and after 2 months it blew an IC on the backside - and there I was thinking that built by ATi was supposed to be the best compared to 3rd parties. I don't blame ATi, as component failure is the result of poor errmm, components, not engineering on ATi's behalf.

One should also keep in mind the complexity of the cards and the amount of components - and a resistor or transistor failing doesn't make the 3rd party bad, it is just bad luck.

We are also dealing with a wide scale of users, and thus the failure rate seems huge because people post to the most popular web sites their failures where all attention is concentrated, and in most cases manual intervention can counter encountered problems ie. overheating of x type gcard (but the person has a case cluttered with cables and case temp of 40+ while gaming).

My sequence of cards
Hercules 9800XT - Still working
VisionTek X800XT - Still working
Built By Ati X1800XL - Blew
XFX 6600GT - Still Working but trivial in this matter
GeCube 1900 - Still Wokring
 
Are you noticing any issues? The spec sheet for the XTX states you need a 450W power supply min. I have the same power supply, but not sure if I need to upgrade my power supply to use that card.


I think for the basic guy buying a card, the XT vs XTX principal applies where XTX is overpriced. IF, one is to OC, then the argument might move a bit to the XTX. Still expensive in my view

Some people have the cash to blow on the very best, some buy from 3rd parties to save some bucks etc.. I got my first Foxcon (seeing that ATi is fabless GPU manufacturer) X1800XL (non OC'd) last year, and after 2 months it blew an IC on the backside - and there I was thinking that built by ATi was supposed to be the best compared to 3rd parties. I don't blame ATi, as component failure is the result of poor errmm, components, not engineering on ATi's behalf.

One should also keep in mind the complexity of the cards and the amount of components - and a resistor or transistor failing doesn't make the 3rd party bad, it is just bad luck.

We are also dealing with a wide scale of users, and thus the failure rate seems huge because people post to the most popular web sites their failures where all attention is concentrated, and in most cases manual intervention can counter encountered problems ie. overheating of x type gcard (but the person has a case cluttered with cables and case temp of 40+ while gaming).

My sequence of cards
Hercules 9800XT - Still working
VisionTek X800XT - Still working
Built By Ati X1800XL - Blew
XFX 6600GT - Still Working but trivial in this matter
GeCube 1900 - Still Wokring
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It's not so much the wattage that determines the support of the video card, its the amperage of the powersupply. Usually you can tell just by the manufacturer. Trusted companies such as Enermax and Antec would be a very safe bet to wing it and buy the card. If you got a psu with your computer case... its probably cheap and wont beable to support it. So give us the rundown on your PSU and we may beable to answer more definitively.

As far as your debate dwclou, I can completely understand where your coming from on all of your recent comments. Very strong arguments you made with your last post.

I dont know why exactly you would want to buy a XTX though. I know that 7800GTX's are harder to overclock than 7800gts therefore the overall difference between cards is almost halfed.

To Vokofpolisiekar: Go Arsenal.
 
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