Question Question of what card to go for 4060ti? Plus a couple of additional related GPU questions.

[Daynhg]

Hi.

Sorry for long question. Just trying to provide al the facts. 🙂
I wonder if anyone could give me some feedback please. Any help really appreciated.
I am no expert, I can put a PC together with the help of you guys, and YT.

There are 4 GPU all related questions below.
I did as much research as I could before asking.

I have recently built a new gaming rig, with a 4080. (Using the above help.)

And I want to refresh my existing PC, as a surprise present for my niece.

Ill quicky go through the stats, and what its for below.

My existing PC, is about 2 years old. (Thats when I built it.) Except the GPU. (Which I am looking to change / upgrade.)
The PC is not super powerful, but still does a great job for me, even using the existing old GPU, which is still in there.
It is an MSI GTX 9080 ti.
And for its age, combined with the other hardware listed below, its still quite incredible.
And allows me to play pretty much any game, in my Steam library, at decent settings. Use Blender for sculpting, and play VR on my existing Oculus Rift S.

The PC spec.
‣ GameMax Silent Mid-Tower PC Gaming case, ATX
‣ MSI MAG B560M MORTAR WIFI Gaming Motherboard, M-ATX
‣ MSI GTX 9080 ti
‣ Intel i5-11400F
‣ CORSAIR CMK 64G X4M2E3200C16 VENGEANCE LPX 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR4 3200
‣ Evga Psu 650W Supernova 650 G5 Atx Mod 80+G
‣ BE QUIET BK021 Dark Rock 4 135 mm Silent Wings Fan CPU Cooler - Black
‣ Couple of SATA 550 mbps SSD's
‣ There are 3 case fans, 2 input, one exhaust. I have found these plenty.

I am going to replace the existing fans with 3 of the below.
Noctua NF-P12 redux-1700 PWM, High Performance

Also replace the SATA SSD drives, that I will be taking out, with 2 M.2 NVMe 1TB drives.
With Win 10 Pro.

I will also be buying her a 32" 1440 monitor.

My Niece will be using the PC for Video editing. Some gaming. Coral Painter. Maybe Blender. And I am giving her the Oculus Rift S, (Which is pretty much brand new condition.) as she also likes VR.

Questions please.

1. I can afford for the GPU, around £400, maybe a little more, but dont want to go up to £500.

So I was looking at the RTX 4060 ti, 8gb. Then I looked at the 16gb
From what I can see the 16gb doesn't bring a lot more to gaming. But I have read the extra VRAM would be helpful for production, Video editing and the like. Is this right?
Would the extra cost for the 16gb version be worth it?

1. I have seen a LOT of reviews utterly slating the 4060ti. And yet on Amazon UK, the reviews love it. People saying "A beast,"... "A brilliant upgrade."... "I cant understand all the bad reviews Iv seen on YT, I love this card." etc.
2. In comparison with,-- (and I know this is obvious) --my old 980, it really is a monster. And, as said my existing rig, listed above with the 9080ti, runs pretty much everything quite smoothly.
3. Before a new GPU, faster SSD's.
4. So is the 4060ti a bad card. Or am I missing something?

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4060-Ti-vs-Nvidia-GTX-980-Ti/4149vs3439

UserBenchmark: Nvidia GTX 980-Ti vs RTX 4060-Ti Based on 231,480 user benchmarks for the Nvidia GTX 980-Ti and the RTX 4060-Ti, we rank them both on effective speed and value for money against the best 714 GPUs. gpu.userbenchmark.com

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1. I am used to Nvidia cards. But saw that the RX 6750 XT gets a higher bench. And I could just get away with a 650 PSU, as they state 650w minimum. (But could not go RX7700XT as they need 700-750w PSU.)
2. But I am not sure if it would be compatible with the MSI MAG B560M MORTAR mobo. And if like the RTX cards, the AMD card would be plug-and-play? Would this be a better option?

Personally I would like to go for the 4060ti. (depending on what ram 8 or 16gb is advised would be the best option. But waned to ask for expert help.) If the 4060ti's are a bad card.
Or if there is utterly no question, the RX 6750 XT would be a MUCH better option, and yes iyt would work with the MSI Morta mobo, and it would be plug and go like the RTX card.
One last point in this I am concerned the RX 6750 XT, would be a lot higher running cost than the 4060ti, as I dont want to raise her electric bill through the roof.

I watched, and surfed a lot before asking here.
For example this vid, shows the RX 6750 XT, vs the 4060 ti. (the 8gb version) and a couple of games are a big difference, but most of them there's not a lot in it, some the 4060ti runs faster.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Aa0xU74Tw

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RTX 4060 vs RX 6700 XT vs RTX 4060 TI vs RX 6750 XT - Test in 16 Games RTX 4060 vs RX 6700 XT vs RTX 4060 TI vs RX 6750 XT - Test in 16 Games 1080p, 1440p, 2160p, 2k, 4k | 2024 ⏩GPUs & Amazon US⏪ (Affiliate links) - RTX 4060 8GB: https://amzn.to/3NskoYp - RX 6700 XT 12GB: https://amzn.to/45XnxrK - RTX 4060 TI 8GB: https://amzn.to/3NldmFR - RX 6750 XT 12GB: https://amzn.to/48mnGWj ⏩PC Setup⏪ - System ... www.youtube.com

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1. Quick cable question. I bought a single cable for the 4080 in the new PC. But the old 9080 is 2 x 6+2 pin adapters.
2. If (after help, and advise) going for example the 4060ti. The specs on MSI for the "MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti VENTUS 2X BLACK 16G OC Graphics Card" say its an 8-pin x 1
3. As Im not sure if I sill have all the cables form the old PSU around. Could I use just one the aforementioned 6+2 ports, on that cable. That are using both 6+2 ends to run the 9080ti (just use one of them) to run it 4060ti. Or should I buy another cable?

Thank you for any help, on any and hopefully all of the 4 questions. Really appreciated.
Best.

 

[NedSmelly]

4060Ti should plug straight in and work with one 6+2 PCIE power cable from the PSU.

Blender and some video suites can make use of the 16GB VRAM, but you can still edit 4K video with 8GB.

Only caveat with your system is B560 only supports up to PCIe 3.0 and the 4060Ti will only use half the available lanes in the GPU slot - so it’s theoretically hobbled in bandwidth. In practice, perhaps 0-15% slower than a PCIe 4 system.

A 4070 Super utilises the full x16 PCIe lanes - and is better value overall despite being more expensive. Probably a better choice if budget allows. 650W PSU is perhaps a bit lightweight for a 4070 (220W) but hey you’ve used it with a 980Ti (250W) without problems for years.

Edit: RX6750XT has same power rating as your 980Ti (250W). Also has full x16 PCIe utilisation. Same for RX7700XT (245W). Both are compatible with the old system in terms of software and driver support.

Edit 2: And if your niece was doing more video editing & 3D creation than gaming, then I’d get the Nvidia. Radeon video encoder isn’t as good, and Blender likes CUDA (3070 outperforms RX7900XTX!).

 

[Daynhg]

4060Ti should plug straight in and work with one 6+2 PCIE power cable from the PSU.

Blender and some video suites can make use of the 16GB VRAM, but you can still edit 4K video with 8GB.

Only caveat with your system is B560 only supports up to PCIe 3.0 and the 4060Ti will only use half the available lanes in the GPU slot - so it’s theoretically hobbled in bandwidth. In practice, perhaps 0-15% slower than a PCIe 4 system.

A 4070 Super utilises the full x16 PCIe lanes - and is better value overall despite being more expensive. Probably a better choice if budget allows. 650W PSU is perhaps a bit lightweight for a 4070 (220W) but hey you’ve used it with a 980Ti (250W) without problems for years.

Edit: RX6750XT has same power rating as your 980Ti (250W). Also has full x16 PCIe utilisation. Same for RX7700XT (245W). Both are compatible with the old system in terms of software and driver support.

Edit 2: And if your niece was doing more video editing & 3D creation than gaming, then I’d get the Nvidia. Radeon video encoder isn’t as good, and Blender likes CUDA (3070 outperforms RX7900XTX!).

Hi NedSmelly

Thank you so much for this brilliant reply.
It really helped.

If I may as just a few follow-up, and clarify questions. I hope you dont mind.

With all the other equipment I am buying, speakers, the monitor, gamepad, etc. I cant afford a 4070 Super. I wish I could.
But I really appreciate the suggestion.

So it looks like either the 4060ti 16gb this one is the best ratings, I could find. ⤵
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0CBK7BRL9/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_10?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&th=1

Or the RX 6750 XT. ⤵
https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-Radeon...09YHTMKL2/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Although I was surprised to see your help showed the RX7700XT is a lower wattage.

Edit, one thing I cant understand is the 7700XT 245w as you told me is lower wattage.
And after seeing your excellent advice I did a Google search, and saw that even though it is lower, it recomends lowets PSU 700w.
But the 6750 250w lowest PSU a 650w. How does that work.
It also says. (and I would not have had a clue about this if not for your great help.)
The 9080ti lowest is a 600w, even though its a max 250w card. This is very strange.

Sorry I just thought Id run that past you.

But I cant find any really decent (number purchased, with decent review) cards in either of the above AMD GPU's.
The above 6750xt (linked) has some slating reviews on Amazon, saying it died after a week etc. and that was the best 6750 I could find.
The 7700xt all have less than 100 reviews, and again with some slating ones "can't be recognised by the board " etc.
This ⤵ the best I could find. 9 reviews. Sorry for Long Amazon link.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-Gamin...mzn1.fos.d7e5a2de-8759-4da3-993c-d11b6e3d217f


The 4 questions, 2 AMD, 2 Nvidia, I hope you don't mind.

2 quick questions on AMD.

1. By this...
"RX6750XT Also has full x16 PCIe utilisation. Same for RX7700XT."
Do you mean the AMD cards would not be hobbled, they would have full bandwidth when using the Mortar Motherboard?
I ask this because it says on some of the descriptions on Amazon they are PCie 4.0

2. Would the AMD cards slot right into this motherboard no problem, and


I saw you said got for the Nvidia for Video editing, (and Blender) this great news.

2 quick questions on Nvidia.

And both are just make 100% sure. Forgive if they come over a bit thick. Id rather ask and know, than purchase without knowing.

1. Even hobbled.. (good word) by the motherboard, the 4060ti would still be massively more powerful, in all the uses. Editing, Coral painter, Gaming, and VR, than the 9080ti wouldn't it?

2. You said, I could use 1 x 6+2 connector. I am right in assuming, that is the same cable I am using now?
The cable with 2 x 6+2 ends, Id just leave the other 6+2 end dangling? <- this is no problem and would be great, the case is solid, not for RGB etc, just to get the best I can out of it.
Or would I need a dedicated single PSU to 6+2 cable.

Thank you so much for any help and advice.

I wont keep bothering you.
I just want to get her the best, I can afford.
As well as one that will be easy to install, and reliable.

Really appreciate any, and all feedback.

 

[NedSmelly]

Think of the PCIe interface as a multi lane highway. PCIe version has different speed limits. Imagine two 16-lane highways, one with 100 km/h limit and the other 200 km/h limit.

Now replace the speed limit number with 1GB/s and 2GB/s. That’s PCIe 3.0 and 4.0 respectively.

Your motherboard GPU slot has 16 lanes but each lane can handle UP TO 1GB/s (it doesn’t always run at full speed). The modern cards can handle up to 2GB/s per lane, However, the 4060TI has 8 lanes available whilst the others mentioned have 16 lanes.

When you plug in a PCIe 4.0 device into a PCIe 3.0 slots it will be limited to the 1GB/s lane speed of the slots.

Soooo.… plugging in a 4060Ti into the B560 will give you 8 lanes of 1GB/s, but the card has the potential to use 8 lanes of 2GB/s in a newer PCIe 4.0 motherboard. In your setup it‘s a theoretical maximum of 8GB/s (8x PCIe 3.0).

Plugging in a 4070, 6750, or 7700XT with a 16 lane PCIe interface gives you 16GB/s theoretical maximum in your board, but 32GB/s in a newer PCIe 4.0 board.

A newer PCIe 4.0 motherboard + a 4060Ti has the same max bandwidth (8x2GB/s) as an older PCIe 3.0 motherboard using 16 lanes (16x1GB/s). 16GB/s is more or less sufficient for most applications with any GPU. Manufacturers use x8 lanes on cheaper new models as it matches the old PCIe 3.0 x16 lane bandwidth in a new PCIe 4.0 system.

As mentioned before, the halved lanes in PCIe 3.0 of the 4060Ti (8GB/s) may impact its ability to reach maximum performance, but in practice it’s either no impact or at worst 15-20% slower than a PCIe 4.0 slot. Its greatest impact will be in heavy CPU-GPU tasks, such as video encoding and game scenes with numerous objects.

Apologies for being long winded but I hope this explains the technicality. There are various review sites that do PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0 x8 lane GPU comparisons (e.g. Hardware Unboxed youtube channel). Link1 Link2 Link3

AMD Radeon cards will work fine. They will use 16 PCIe lanes at 3.0 spec in your motherboard.

As for compatibility and power cables: yes the 4060Ti will work with no problem in your B560 system, and you just plug in one of the two 6+2 power connectors in your existing GPU power cable into the single 8-pin connector. You leave the unused connector dangling free.

Edit: if you decide to get AMD then the Sapphire brand is a good choice in terms of quality. A bit more expensive but they have a better reputation than others. And yes the 4060Ti is superior to your 980Ti even in the old system as it has many useful new features and much improved power efficiency.

As for the power supply discrepancies: it might have something to do with the notion of 'transient peak consumption', where GPUs can have spikes in power draw that exceed the quoted rating. Perhaps the manufacturers are adding a fudge factor now into their PSU suggestions.

 

[bill001g]

The pcie lane likely make no difference. I remember when the 4090 first came out and they wanted to test pcie3 and the only way to get exactly the same motherboard/cpu/memory etc was to tape over some of the pins so it ran pcie4-8 to simulate pcie3-16. The results were pretty much they could not within margin of error show any difference.

If a 4090 is not limited by pcie I doubt lessor cards will be either.

 

[Avro Arrow]

I've used both GeForce and Radeon cards in the past. They've both worked just fine for me and both are 100% compatible with ALL x86-based motherboard architectures.

I always say "Pick the one that gives the most performance and/or VRAM at any given price point and always prioritise hardware specifications over all else." and I say this because software can be changed, updated, added, etc. but the hardware that your card is born with (GPU, VRAM) is the hardware that it will die with.

You can upgrade the card's drivers and software but you cannot upgrade the card's hardware. You should also be aware of exactly what your niece is doing with the video software because, while Geforce is definitely faster in Blender, other programs like DaVinci Resolve actually favour Radeon. If she's not doing actual professional work but is just playing around with it, then the GeForce vs. Radeon becomes irrelevant because they can both do video editing just fine and it's not something critical that is being used to generate income.

Everything is nuanced and requires context.

 

[NedSmelly]

other programs like DaVinci Resolve actually favour Radeon

Interesting - you have me curious. Do you have a source you can refer to? Puget says otherwise, although their benchmark summary is a bit old, and doesn't go all the way down to 4060Ti / 7700XT class.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Interesting - you have me curious. Do you have a source you can refer to? Puget says otherwise, although their benchmark summary is a bit old, and doesn't go all the way down to 4060Ti / 7700XT class.

Actually, it was a YouTuber who said it. I'm trying to remember who he was... I'm checking now to see if I can find it. I remembered it vividly because it was shocking to hear as I myself never thought of Radeons as a card that excelled at video editing.

I can't find it but I think that it was "Graphically Challenged" and I think he said it when he switched from an RTX 4090 to an RX 7900 XTX. I'm getting conflicting information elsewhere because PC Guide ranks the best cards for DVR like this:

1) RTX 4090 (no surprise there)
2) RX 7900 XTX
3) RTX 4080
4) RX 7900 XT

Going by PC Guide's 2024 ranking, branding seems to be irrelevant compared to performance. Now, it could be that the RX 7900 cards rank higher than their GeForce counterparts because of their increased VRAM. Like, the 7900 XTX has 24GB of VRAM while the 4080 only has 16. The 7900 XT has 20GB of VRAM while the RTX 4070 Ti only has 12GB. I'm really not sure.

Richard Lackey ranks the XTX behind the 4080 but he doesn't say why. His list is also woefully incomplete because it's from 2023 and he doesn't have the 7900 XT or GRE. When I look at it again, the XTX is the only RDNA3 card he has listed so that's not really all that conclusive except to say that the XTX definitely out-performs the RTX 4070 Ti in both cases.

It was awhile ago that I saw this so for all we know it's different now (things change in tech so fast). Having said that, I have tremendous respect for Puget Systems and if they say something contrary to anything said by some anonymous user on Tom's Hardware (like me for example), I would definitely trust their word. They are the experts.

The only thing that I would say is that it might depend on which test is being used (assuming that there's more than one). I'm not a video editing expert by any means although I do know that it matters more what you're doing than what video card you have.

A YouTuber named "Vex" was accustomed to using an RTX 3080 and he bought an RX 6700 10GB just to see what Radeons were like. He specifically said that video editing with the RX 6700 was perfectly smooth. That's pretty high praise coming from someone who was accustomed to the much more potent RTX 3080 (the relevant part is about 2 minutes into the video):

 

[NedSmelly]

@Avro Arrow yeah I was considering upgrading my 3060 to a 7800XT on my editing station but couldn’t find any definitive production comparisons. Quite a few YouTubers I checked also just seem to parrot those Puget benchmarks. This guy was unhappy with his experience, but that’s just a single data point. I found several anecdotal user reports of the AMD encoder being fine for h265 but really bad quality for h264 (which was consistent with my past experience of its AMF encoder in the RX580). Ended up not upgrading at all. It would be great if there were more independent GPU production benchmarking sources available, as the prolific gamer benchmarks don’t really apply in this context.

 

[Daynhg]

Think of the PCIe interface as a multi lane highway. PCIe version has different speed limits. Imagine two 16-lane highways, one with 100 km/h limit and the other 200 km/h limit.

Now replace the speed limit number with 1GB/s and 2GB/s. That’s PCIe 3.0 and 4.0 respectively.

Your motherboard GPU slot has 16 lanes but each lane can handle UP TO 1GB/s (it doesn’t always run at full speed). The modern cards can handle up to 2GB/s per lane, However, the 4060TI has 8 lanes available whilst the others mentioned have 16 lanes.

When you plug in a PCIe 4.0 device into a PCIe 3.0 slots it will be limited to the 1GB/s lane speed of the slots.

Soooo.… plugging in a 4060Ti into the B560 will give you 8 lanes of 1GB/s, but the card has the potential to use 8 lanes of 2GB/s in a newer PCIe 4.0 motherboard. In your setup it‘s a theoretical maximum of 8GB/s (8x PCIe 3.0).

Plugging in a 4070, 6750, or 7700XT with a 16 lane PCIe interface gives you 16GB/s theoretical maximum in your board, but 32GB/s in a newer PCIe 4.0 board.

A newer PCIe 4.0 motherboard + a 4060Ti has the same max bandwidth (8x2GB/s) as an older PCIe 3.0 motherboard using 16 lanes (16x1GB/s). 16GB/s is more or less sufficient for most applications with any GPU. Manufacturers use x8 lanes on cheaper new models as it matches the old PCIe 3.0 x16 lane bandwidth in a new PCIe 4.0 system.

As mentioned before, the halved lanes in PCIe 3.0 of the 4060Ti (8GB/s) may impact its ability to reach maximum performance, but in practice it’s either no impact or at worst 15-20% slower than a PCIe 4.0 slot. Its greatest impact will be in heavy CPU-GPU tasks, such as video encoding and game scenes with numerous objects.

Apologies for being long winded but I hope this explains the technicality. There are various review sites that do PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0 x8 lane GPU comparisons (e.g. Hardware Unboxed youtube channel). Link1 Link2 Link3

AMD Radeon cards will work fine. They will use 16 PCIe lanes at 3.0 spec in your motherboard.

As for compatibility and power cables: yes the 4060Ti will work with no problem in your B560 system, and you just plug in one of the two 6+2 power connectors in your existing GPU power cable into the single 8-pin connector. You leave the unused connector dangling free.

Edit: if you decide to get AMD then the Sapphire brand is a good choice in terms of quality. A bit more expensive but they have a better reputation than others. And yes the 4060Ti is superior to your 980Ti even in the old system as it has many useful new features and much improved power efficiency.

As for the power supply discrepancies: it might have something to do with the notion of 'transient peak consumption', where GPUs can have spikes in power draw that exceed the quoted rating. Perhaps the manufacturers are adding a fudge factor now into their PSU suggestions.

Hey

NedSmelly​

please forgive the delayed reply.
Its been a rough few days.

This.⤵

"Apologies for being long winded"

Are you kidding, I have had a LOT of fantastic help, and replies on here.

This was among the best.
Eloquent, and superbly written.

Seriously helped. Now I know why the 4060ti, (even if its not fair,) for the actual performance. But on paper "why did they go 8 lane only," trashing of it.

Thank you, that was one hell of a helpful, and info packed post.!

I looked at the Sapphire cards, and they look great, unfortunately a little pricey for my budget. I was (if looking at a AMD RX 6750 XT, would be looking at this one. ⤵

https://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-Radeon...09YHW8C7Z/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

Thank you as well for the help with the 4060ti cable, so I would be good to go with that.

And, as well for letting me know the AMD cards would work with the board.

You mentioned.
"And yes the 4060Ti is superior to your 980Ti even in the old system as it has many useful new features and much improved power efficiency."

Couple of quick points if you have their on that sentence, almost there.

Needing less power is going to help. As is DLSS, and the like.

But, talking "raw power" would the 4060ti be a LOT faster in that board, than the current 9080ti. I'm guessing it would. just making sure, even 8 lanes.

Last point.

You wouldn't happen to know what cabling that above XT 6750 XT would use, could I use the same cable? (both or one of the end of the 6=2 x 2)
And if this AMD card would be also improved power efficiency?

I wont ask about 4060ti vs XT 6790 XT, as I'm (again) guessing all you said above, and it,- (albeit, the restricted 1GBPS due to PCi3) -but with 16 lanes running.
And as you said. "16GB/s is more or less sufficient for most applications."

I hazard the AMD would be faster all round than the NVidia, which a shame, but I want to get her the best I can afford. Even though I am more familiar with NVidia.

Again, any (final) help so appreciated.

And love how you wrote the explanation, and the analogies.
You should be teaching this.

 

[Daynhg]

The pcie lane likely make no difference. I remember when the 4090 first came out and they wanted to test pcie3 and the only way to get exactly the same motherboard/cpu/memory etc was to tape over some of the pins so it ran pcie4-8 to simulate pcie3-16. The results were pretty much they could not within margin of error show any difference.

If a 4090 is not limited by pcie I doubt lessor cards will be either.

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Hi

bill001g​

Thank you so much the help.
Sorry the appreciating was delayed.

I saw exactly what you said, from a gaming stand point, on this video.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKGIb9p-o8s

I did a search after some brilliant feedback above. <- Although not sure why this in bold. <- 🤔​

15 games, RTX 4060 Ti PCIe 3.0 vs PCIe 4.0 All with good graphical fidelity.
And most of them either within 10 fps, right down to the same.

I really appreciate the help.
Thank you.

 

[Daynhg]

I've used both GeForce and Radeon cards in the past. They've both worked just fine for me and both are 100% compatible with ALL x86-based motherboard architectures.

I always say "Pick the one that gives the most performance and/or VRAM at any given price point and always prioritise hardware specifications over all else." and I say this because software can be changed, updated, added, etc. but the hardware that your card is born with (GPU, VRAM) is the hardware that it will die with.

You can upgrade the card's drivers and software but you cannot upgrade the card's hardware. You should also be aware of exactly what your niece is doing with the video software because, while Geforce is definitely faster in Blender, other programs like DaVinci Resolve actually favour Radeon. If she's not doing actual professional work but is just playing around with it, then the GeForce vs. Radeon becomes irrelevant because they can both do video editing just fine and it's not something critical that is being used to generate income.

Everything is nuanced and requires context.

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Hi.
Avro Arrow

I very much appreciate your help, and the information.

Great to know they are universal fitting. I'm a little anxious of buying an AMD card as I have not installed one before.
As odd as that sounds, but no expert like you blokes.

I was going to go with the 16GB 4060ti (If I end up going NVidia.)
But after some brill help. (above.) It looks like the actual difference in cost to performance, might be better spent on additional ancillary items.

But if the AMD is the way to go, that card would have more VRAM.

I'm not sure what editing SW she uses, But she does it for quite seriously.
But I guess that either card would be a massive upgrade on her current laptop. Which I don't know if she even has a GPU in it.
We live very far apart, hence my "none intel" on her kit.

Thank you again for the excellent help, and reply.
It is really appreciated.

 

[NedSmelly]

But, talking "raw power" would the 4060ti be a LOT faster in that board, than the current 9080ti. I'm guessing it would. just making sure, even 8 lanes.

Glad that I could be of help.

Regarding the 4060Ti vs 980Ti gaming performance difference: no personal experience unfortunately, but various dodgy comparison websites quote anywhere between 50-100% improvement in frame rates for the 4060Ti over the older 980Ti.

That Radeon card you linked to looks like it takes 2x 8-pin PCIE power connectors. The existing connectors should just plug straight in. Just be mindful of the previous discussion over PSU wattage.

P.S. There was another person on this forum who recently upgraded their GTX1660 with a 4060Ti specifically for Photoshop neural AI filters. They reported a 2-3x improvement in performance. So I’ve also added it to my upgrade shortlist.

 

[Avro Arrow]

@Avro Arrow yeah I was considering upgrading my 3060 to a 7800XT on my editing station but couldn’t find any definitive production comparisons. Quite a few YouTubers I checked also just seem to parrot those Puget benchmarks. This guy was unhappy with his experience, but that’s just a single data point. I found several anecdotal user reports of the AMD encoder being fine for h265 but really bad quality for h264 (which was consistent with my past experience of its AMF encoder in the RX580). Ended up not upgrading at all. It would be great if there were more independent GPU production benchmarking sources available, as the prolific gamer benchmarks don’t really apply in this context.

Yeah, but you have to remember that H.264 is only relevant up to RDNA2 because RDNA3 has an AV1 hardware encoder.

 

[Avro Arrow]

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Hi.
Avro Arrow

I very much appreciate your help, and the information.

Great to know they are universal fitting. I'm a little anxious of buying an AMD card as I have not installed one before.
As odd as that sounds, but no expert like you blokes.

Don't be too hard on yourself. There are a tonne of users who have never used a Radeon card before. The secret to avoiding any trouble us running DDU in safe mode before installing the Radeon Adrenalin software package. Otherwise, you wouldn't really be able to tell one from the other.

I was going to go with the 16GB 4060ti (If I end up going NVidia.)
But after some brill help. (above.) It looks like the actual difference in cost to performance, might be better spent on additional ancillary items.

The 16GB 4060Ti is one of the most panned video cards ever released. I would never recommend it to anyone. Hardware Unboxed compared it to AMD's previous-gen RX 6800 XT because they were at the same price point. All you need to do is listen to Steve Walton's first sentence to know what the outcome of this comparison is. The RTX 4060 Ti 16GB is a terrible value:

But if the AMD is the way to go, that card would have more VRAM.

I'm not sure what editing SW she uses, But she does it for quite seriously.
But I guess that either card would be a massive upgrade on her current laptop. Which I don't know if she even has a GPU in it.
We live very far apart, hence my "none intel" on her kit.

Thank you again for the excellent help, and reply.
It is really appreciated.

Oh yeah, if she's using a craptop, ANY video card would be a massive improvement. 😉👍

 

[NedSmelly]

Yeah, but you have to remember that H.264 is only relevant up to RDNA2 because RDNA3 has an AV1 hardware encoder.

True that.

Yet another random techy post about AMD encoder issues: Reddit
Looks to be referring to RDNA2 though.
I think for hobbyists it’s not a big deal; but commercial production people just don’t want to deal with gremlins (whether real or perceived) and will follow path of least resistance (i.e. Nvidia).

Edit: oh and I really should have mentioned to the OP that all this encoder talk is irrelevant if their niece is using the free version of Davinci Resolve. That version gimps a lot of the GPU acceleration, in comparison to the paid Studio edition. Knowing which software suite they are using will help a lot with the GPU choice.

 

[Avro Arrow]

True that.

👍

Yet another random techy post about AMD encoder issues: Reddit
Looks to be referring to RDNA2 though.
I think for hobbyists it’s not a big deal; but commercial production people just don’t want to deal with gremlins (whether real or perceived) and will follow path of least resistance (i.e. Nvidia).

Yep. That same mentality was the reason why Intel dominated the server side of things for so long. There was actually a saying that was something like "Nobody was ever fired for choosing Intel." which was probably started by Intel themselves.

Edit: oh and I really should have mentioned to the OP that all this encoder talk is irrelevant if their niece is using the free version of Davinci Resolve. That version gimps a lot of the GPU acceleration, in comparison to the paid Studio edition. Knowing which software suite they are using will help a lot with the GPU choice.

I wasn't aware of that. I've learnt something new today. Thanks! 😊

 

[Daynhg]

Glad that I could be of help.

Regarding the 4060Ti vs 980Ti gaming performance difference: no personal experience unfortunately, but various dodgy comparison websites quote anywhere between 50-100% improvement in frame rates for the 4060Ti over the older 980Ti.

That Radeon card you linked to looks like it takes 2x 8-pin PCIE power connectors. The existing connectors should just plug straight in. Just be mindful of the previous discussion over PSU wattage.

P.S. There was another person on this forum who recently upgraded their GTX1660 with a 4060Ti specifically for Photoshop neural AI filters. They reported a 2-3x improvement in performance. So I’ve also added it to my upgrade shortlist.

NedSmelly​

Thank you so much again.

It looks like the AMD card then. With the very (I promise) last two power, and size questions.--
Although you adding the 4060ti to your shortlist, (this would be the 8gb version for me.) did cause me to pause.

-- Would be.
1. You mentioning "be mindfull of the previous discussion about PSU wattage."
Google has the 6750 as a minimum of 650 PSU.

So would this kit. (pasted from 1st post.)

‣ GameMax Silent Mid-Tower PC Gaming case, ATX
‣ MSI MAG B560M MORTAR WIFI Gaming Motherboard, M-ATX
‣ Intel i5-11400F
‣ CORSAIR CMK 64G X4M2E3200C16 VENGEANCE LPX 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR4 3200
‣ BE QUIET BK021 Dark Rock 4 135 mm Silent Wings Fan CPU Cooler - Black
‣ 2 x M.2 gen 3 nvmes.
3 x Noctua redux 120mm PWM case fans
And the
‣ MSI Radeon RX 6750 XT MECH 2X 12G OC

Have no power problems, and run nicely from the installed below PSU?
‣ Evga Psu 650W Supernova 650 G5 Atx Mod 80+G

And lastly.
And it sure looks like it will. but just checking as a couple of reviews on Amazon say its bigger than they expected.
The spec's say it will, I think. Forgive just making sure.
Will this card.
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/Radeon-RX-6750-XT-MECH-2X-12G-OC/Specification

Fit into this case.

https://www.gamemax.uk/index.php/products/cases/silent-mid-tower-gaming-pc-case/

If the answer to both above questions is yes, and combined with all the other superb advice and help on this thread.
It looks like the search is finally home.

Thank you again for all of the brilliant help.

 

[Daynhg]

Don't be too hard on yourself. There are a tonne of users who have never used a Radeon card before. The secret to avoiding any trouble us running DDU in safe mode before installing the Radeon Adrenalin software package. Otherwise, you wouldn't really be able to tell one from the other.

The 16GB 4060Ti is one of the most panned video cards ever released. I would never recommend it to anyone. Hardware Unboxed compared it to AMD's previous-gen RX 6800 XT because they were at the same price point. All you need to do is listen to Steve Walton's first sentence to know what the outcome of this comparison is. The RTX 4060 Ti 16GB is a terrible value:

Oh yeah, if she's using a craptop, ANY video card would be a massive improvement. 😉👍

Avro Arrow​

Thank you so much.
That really helped as well. Knowing I'm not alone.

And this ⤵
running DDU in safe mode before installing the Radeon Adrenalin software.

Really helped, I would not have done this.

Also the video, shows the 16gb 4060ti is no match for the 6800. Unfortunately for me, the PSU is only a 650, and the minimum recommended for the 6800 is 750. But there is always the 6750.
If I was to buy a 4060tio it would be an 8 gig, as NedSmelly said in his post about the other user upgrading, for photoshop AI.
And from all you guys have said, and what I have seen there is marginal difference in performance
between 8 and 16GB.

Oh and TY for the comment about difference between what she has now, and any card.

I really appreciate the excellent help.


EDIT.
I just thought my existing CPU is an Intel i5-11400F
So no onboard graphics on the CPU.
If I did run DDU, to install an AMD card, would that mean I would have no dsiplay, to install the new GPU?

Thank you for any help with this question.
It just occured to me.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Avro Arrow​

Thank you so much.
That really helped as well. Knowing I'm not alone.

Vex's video of him trying a Radeon for the first time should be very entertaining for you then:

And this ⤵
running DDU in safe mode before installing the Radeon Adrenalin software.

Really helped, I would not have done this.

A lot of people wouldn't have and I think that's where a good chunk of the "Bad Radeon Driver" myth comes from.

Also the video, shows the 16gb 4060ti is no match for the 6800. Unfortunately for me, the PSU is only a 650, and the minimum recommended for the 6800 is 750. But there is always the 6750.
If I was to buy a 4060tio it would be an 8 gig, as NedSmelly said in his post about the other user upgrading, for photoshop AI.
And from all you guys have said, and what I have seen there is marginal difference in performance
between 8 and 16GB.

Well, lucky for you, the RX 7800 XT and RX 7900 GRE both only require a 600W PSU while being both faster and more advanced than the RX 6800 XT in the video.

I only posted that video to show you how bad the RTX 4060 Ti 16GB is.

Oh and TY for the comment about difference between what she has now, and any card.

I really appreciate the excellent help.

I'm always glad to help make someone's life a little easier. 😊

EDIT.
I just thought my existing CPU is an Intel i5-11400F
So no onboard graphics on the CPU.
If I did run DDU, to install an AMD card, would that mean I would have no dsiplay, to install the new GPU?

Thank you for any help with this question.
It just occured to me.

No you would not. The procedure would be to run DDU (in safe mode of course) and choose "clean and shut down". DDU will clean the old GeForce drivers away completely and shut the computer down.

Then, unplug your PC, swap the cards and boot up Windows. Without GeForce or Radeon drivers, Windows will default to its generic driver (so you will get a working screen). Then just install the Radeon Drivers and away you go!

It's actually pretty easy. 😉👍

 

[NedSmelly]

NedSmelly​

Thank you so much again.

It looks like the AMD card then. With the very (I promise) last two power, and size questions.--
Although you adding the 4060ti to your shortlist, (this would be the 8gb version for me.) did cause me to pause.

-- Would be.
1. You mentioning "be mindfull of the previous discussion about PSU wattage."
Google has the 6750 as a minimum of 650 PSU.

So would this kit. (pasted from 1st post.)

‣ GameMax Silent Mid-Tower PC Gaming case, ATX
‣ MSI MAG B560M MORTAR WIFI Gaming Motherboard, M-ATX
‣ Intel i5-11400F
‣ CORSAIR CMK 64G X4M2E3200C16 VENGEANCE LPX 64GB (2 x 32GB) DDR4 3200
‣ BE QUIET BK021 Dark Rock 4 135 mm Silent Wings Fan CPU Cooler - Black
‣ 2 x M.2 gen 3 nvmes.
3 x Noctua redux 120mm PWM case fans
And the
‣ MSI Radeon RX 6750 XT MECH 2X 12G OC

Have no power problems, and run nicely from the installed below PSU?
‣ Evga Psu 650W Supernova 650 G5 Atx Mod 80+G

And lastly.
And it sure looks like it will. but just checking as a couple of reviews on Amazon say its bigger than they expected.
The spec's say it will, I think. Forgive just making sure.
Will this card.
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/Radeon-RX-6750-XT-MECH-2X-12G-OC/Specification

Fit into this case.

https://www.gamemax.uk/index.php/products/cases/silent-mid-tower-gaming-pc-case/

If the answer to both above questions is yes, and combined with all the other superb advice and help on this thread.
It looks like the search is finally home.

Thank you again for all of the brilliant help.

Card is 249mm long and case says max 415mm, so it should be fine as long as there isn’t something else in the way. But I’m guessing a GTX980Ti is already quite a large card?

Only reason I’ve shortlisted a 16GB 4060Ti is because I don’t game on my production workstation (and workstation is PCIe 4.0). It was mainly those improved AI reports that swayed me though. But a 4070Ti Super is higher up on my list; just waiting to see what happens with pricing over a few more months.

Enjoy your new GPU. Should be a huge upgrade over your existing one.

 

[Daynhg]

NedSmelly & Avro Arrow​

I want to really thank both you guys for the simply brilliant, and patient help.
Sorry for being a pest.

And You have REALLY helped me.

After all the technical, and product advice going round and round with it.
And looking at those two other AMD cards, they look brilliant, but are quite power hungry, at around 260w.

And I am thinking of her electric bill. But as I had been helped so much with everything else.
As well as reading dozens of web sites, and YT.
As, sometimes happens it went back to the start. And what you NedSmelly advised, at the top, as well as using the full 16 lanes. Thank you.

But I really needed all the information, to justify the cost.
So rearranging some of the other items in the list. saving here and there, to allow the extra £100.
I think the best option (from all of your superb advice.
Is a 4070. (not super, or ti, just the base mode)
This one looks like it fits the bill.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0CH1D81Z8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&th=1

As its less than 200 watts. (But ranges between 160 to 190 on average.)
Going by this excellent review.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Zq_iyNCcs


Its NVidea, which I am familiar with. Even though You Avro Arrow explained the AMD installation perfectly. Thank you.
And also .
I have read.

It will run from a 650 PSU?
And.
From what I can tell is 1x 8 power port.
So, I am guessing it would also run from the current cable ATM running into the 9080ti.
With 2x 6+2 ends. But like the 4060ti, it would just need one end, leaving the other dangling?

If I could impose upon your patience for one last time.
Could either of you guys confirm the last two (above points) please.
Existing 660 PSU would be fine.
And 1 end of the current cable, (well, one end of it) into that cards port compatibility.

I really hope you don't mind.🙄
This is the card, just tying up the loose ends, of information.🤔
After this, I will bother you chaps no further on this thread.
Sorry guys, If the PSU, and cable would be fine, just a yes, and yes will do.

Thank you so much, for ALL the guidence. And for any help on these last two points. 👍

 

[NedSmelly]

If you can find a 4070 at significant discount to a 4070 Super, then go for it. Otherwise the Super variant is preferable, if priced the same. The 4070 is more or less shelf stock currently.

No difference with previously mentioned power cabling. Plug in one 6+2 and leave the other dangling. Otherwise plug in both if the model you buy uses 2 plugs. Your EVGA 650W PSU is fine.

Enjoy!

 

[Daynhg]

If you can find a 4070 at significant discount to a 4070 Super, then go for it. Otherwise the Super variant is preferable, if priced the same. The 4070 is more or less shelf stock currently.

No difference with previously mentioned power cabling. Plug in one 6+2 and leave the other dangling. Otherwise plug in both if the model you buy uses 2 plugs. Your EVGA 650W PSU is fine.

Enjoy!

Thank you so much! 👍

 

[Avro Arrow]

Interesting - you have me curious. Do you have a source you can refer to? Puget says otherwise, although their benchmark summary is a bit old, and doesn't go all the way down to 4060Ti / 7700XT class.

I didn't forget about you and I did try very hard to find my original source that said Radeon was better than GeForce in DaVinci Resolve but couldn't find it. Fortunately, this video from Vex fell into my lap and I can demonstrate what I was referring to. I've cued the video to the correct chapter (video editing):

You'll see here that while the RTX 4080 Super is faster in DaVinci Resolve with AV1 than all other GeForce cards that aren't called "RTX 4090". However, he then shows that an RX 7800 XT (a Radeon card that is three performance tiers below the RTX 4080 Super) did the encoding with DaVinci Resolve faster than the RTX 4080 Super. It makes me wonder what my RX 7900 XTX is capable of but I don't do video editing so I don't really care. 😆

I know that this post is probably too late but my reputation as a straight-shooter is precious to me. Now you know that I wasn't making things up.