Build Advice Questions about a custom system

[Nori1337]

First off, I'd like to start by saying this is my first time ever posting here, and that my first language isn't English, so please, forgive any mistakes you see along this post.
I'm planning on getting a new PC and contacted a shop that builds custom PCs, in my area. My budget was more or less 1500€, for the build only, as I already have the rest of the peripherals.
Here's what they came up with: https://pt.pcpartpicker.com/user/Nori1337/saved/#view=FV7DwP
The prices are the same as they are right now when I'm writing this, all from the same retailer, PCDiga
With that said, I have some doubts and questions I'm hoping to get answered without the obvious conflict of interest of wanting more money from the client:

• Isn't the RAM they chose a bit too slow? Maybe they were just saving on the budget but I think that a 3600MHz CL16 RAM would be their first choice. Something like this or this. Note that I specifically said that I wanted 32GB of RAM
• I'm not aware of how good Kingston's SSDs are, but the one they picked seems pretty solid, especially when compared with WD's or Samsung's of the same price. Can anyone give their opinion on this?
• I saw somewhere, someone recommending PCBuild's bottleneck calculator and I used that to see if I had a significant bottleneck between my CPU and GPU, and it turns out I have a 13% bottleneck in my system, whatever that means. With that being said, I found it odd that they went for an RTX 4070, given that my budget is not insanely high (not that it is low), instead of a 30 series GPU, and trying to balance out the system a bit more.
• Also on the topic of the RTX 4070, I'm afraid a 750W 80+ bronze PCU might not be enough or be risky to use given that the RTX 4070 supposedly draws up to 650W. Am I being paranoid or should I be safer than sorry?

Having these concerns in mind, and possibly some of your own that I'd love to hear, what do you think of the build they gave me? What would you change, if anything? Please keep my budget in mind and, if you want to recommend specific components, I'd appreciate it if you could use PCDiga's website as a reference (there doesn't seem to be an English version, so your browser's website translation tool ought to be enough), given that the prices between retailers are more or less the same here.
I'm aware that building a PC now might not be the best idea, given the fact that we're sitting on the transition between DDR4 and DDR5 and there's no backward compatibility between DDR5, which means that my upgrade path is limited to what's left of DDR4 compatible components. Either way, for this build, my approach is to get something that lasts years, for a moderate price, even if that means that I'll have to build a new one in 5-6 years. It might not make a lot of sense (I don't know if it does, I'd think this approach is person-dependent), but that's what I want to do, given my financial situation.

Edit: I'd like to add that I'm a noob when it comes to PC building. I only know what I've learned from my own research (watching YT videos) and even that is fairly limited, so please, don't go hard on me.
Edit 2: I've added my monitor to the pcpartpicker list seeing it might be relevant for this. I do not plan on going beyond 144hz 1080p any time soon.

 

[USAFRet]

I saw somewhere, someone recommending PCBuild's bottleneck calculator and

Please ignore that thing, and never listen to that person again.

These bottleneck calculators are useless.

 

[Nori1337]

Please ignore that thing, and never listen to that person again.

These bottleneck calculators are useless.

Noted! Thanks.

 

[USAFRet]

Overall, that system isn't too bad.

 

[Nori1337]

Overall, that system isn't too bad.

What mainly concerns me is the RAM speed. Any comments on that?

 

[USAFRet]

What mainly concerns me is the RAM speed. Any comments on that?

Yeah, could be a bit faster.
Did you ask them why they chose that particular set?

 

[Why_Me]

This puts you into a case with better airflow, DDR4 3200 and a ATX 3.0 psu. The 120mm fan goes inside the back of that case for an exhaust fan.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor (€407.90 @ Globaldata)
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler (€59.90 @ Switch Technology)
Motherboard: *MSI PRO B760-P DDR4 II ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€139.90 @ Globaldata)
Memory: *G.Skill Aegis 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (€78.50 @ Switch Technology)
Storage: *Crucial P5 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€78.90 @ Globaldata)
Video Card: *Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card (€549.90 @ Globaldata)
Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (€74.89 @ Switch Technology)
Power Supply: *Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€111.81 @ PC Componentes)
Case Fan: *ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan (€7.50 @ Switch Technology)
Total: €1509.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-11-30 03:01 WET+0000

A better look at those components.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B760-P-DDR4-II/Overview

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...al-Tower-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2022/16082.shtml

https://www.crucial.com/ssd/p5-plus/ct1000p5pssd8

https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/consumer/pulse-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16g-gddr6

https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/p/psu...ular-low-noise-atx-power-supply-cp-9020262-eu

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https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/focus/focus-2/rgb-black-tg-clear-tint/

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[ilukey77]

Dont get me wrong the 5800x3d is a great cpu but a bit ( how to put it with out sounding rude ) strange going for a new AM4 system ..

i personally would go cl16 3600 32gb in AM4 systems

a better option would be a b650e and a 7700 non x ( with the option later on for a x3d cpu )

with that 4070 GPU MSI recommends a 650w so a decent 750w should be fine or a 850w just for that slight over kill option .

@Why_Me think we a destined to differ over intel as you often recommend the LGA1700 socket but i just think at this point its no better than the AM4 platform in my opinion !!

 

[Why_Me]

Dont get me wrong the 5800x3d is a great cpu but a bit ( how to put it with out sounding rude ) strange going for a new AM4 system ..

i personally would go cl16 3600 32gb in AM4 systems

a better option would be a b650e and a 7700 non x ( with the option later on for a x3d cpu )

with that 4070 GPU MSI recommends a 650w so a decent 750w should be fine or a 850w just for that slight over kill option .

@Why_Me think we a destined to differ over intel as you often recommend the LGA1700 socket but i just think at this point its no better than the AM4 platform in my opinion !!

Can you fit an AM5 build with that budget other than with a Ryzen 5.

 

[ilukey77]

Can you fit an AM5 build with that budget other than with a Ryzen 5.

probably not but both AM4 and LGA 1700 is a bad buy this late in the game ..

7600 non x a A620 with some 5200/5600 ddr5 maybe in under that price but how cheap before its to cheap and starts to cause issues ??!!

 

[Why_Me]

probably not but both AM4 and LGA 1700 is a bad buy this late in the game ..

7600 non x a A620 with some 5200/5600 ddr5 maybe in under that price but how cheap before its to cheap and starts to cause issues ??!!

I see what you're saying about an upgrade path but on the flip side it would be a noticeable hit in performance vs the 13 gen i7.

 

[ilukey77]

I see what you're saying about an upgrade path but on the flip side it would be a noticeable hit in performance vs the 13 gen i7.

100% and i guess how long do they plan on sitting on the build to i mean ive got the b760 and im planning on a all intel build with the 13600k and a ARC 770 ..

( waiting for the 13600k to come down in price )

if that was my main i could hang on to the b760 13600 or 13700 till 15th !!

 

[Nori1337]

This puts you into a case with better airflow, DDR4 3200 and a ATX 3.0 psu. The 120mm fan goes inside the back of that case for an exhaust fan.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i7-13700F 2.1 GHz 16-Core Processor (€407.90 @ Globaldata)
CPU Cooler: *Deepcool AG620 BK ARGB 67.88 CFM CPU Cooler (€59.90 @ Switch Technology)
Motherboard: *MSI PRO B760-P DDR4 II ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€139.90 @ Globaldata)
Memory: *G.Skill Aegis 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (€78.50 @ Switch Technology)
Storage: *Crucial P5 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€78.90 @ Globaldata)
Video Card: *Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 7800 XT 16 GB Video Card (€549.90 @ Globaldata)
Case: *Fractal Design Focus 2 RGB ATX Mid Tower Case (€74.89 @ Switch Technology)
Power Supply: *Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€111.81 @ PC Componentes)
Case Fan: *ARCTIC P12 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fan (€7.50 @ Switch Technology)
Total: €1509.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-11-30 03:01 WET+0000

A better look at those components.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B760-P-DDR4-II/Overview

https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html

https://www.deepcool.com/products/C...al-Tower-CPU-Cooler-1700-AM5/2022/16082.shtml

https://www.crucial.com/ssd/p5-plus/ct1000p5pssd8

https://www.sapphiretech.com/en/consumer/pulse-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16g-gddr6

https://www.corsair.com/eu/en/p/psu...ular-low-noise-atx-power-supply-cp-9020262-eu

ARCTIC | Cooling, Mounts, Equipment | The Cooler Way | Cooler than ever

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www.arctic.de

https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/focus/focus-2/rgb-black-tg-clear-tint/

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIG4vFQbDn4

thank you very much for the input. Some things I forgot to mention are that I'm more team red when it comes to CPUs and team green when it comes to GPUs, which, sadly, is the exact opposite of the build you mentioned. Other than that, the build you recommended looks more solid than the one PCDiga suggested, to my untrained eyes.

 

[Nori1337]

probably not but both AM4 and LGA 1700 is a bad buy this late in the game ..

7600 non x a A620 with some 5200/5600 ddr5 maybe in under that price but how cheap before its to cheap and starts to cause issues ??!!

Hi! Thanks for the input. Can you please explain what you mean by:

but both AM4 and LGA 1700 is a bad buy this late in the game

I need a new PC and €1500 is all I got right now, but I wouldn't want to buy something that's not good

 

[ilukey77]

Hi! Thanks for the input. Can you please explain what you mean by:

I need a new PC and €1500 is all I got right now, but I wouldn't want to buy something that's not good

What i mean is the cheaper stuff comes with limitations and lesser features not to mention sometimes just out right bad products..

like buying a cheap no name brand PSU to save money and have it pop and hurt your other components !

when i say bad buy in the sense that there is no upgrade path on AM4 and to a extent LGA 1700 is limited as well..

AM5 is the better life span but like i said to come under the 1500 mark you will need to start thinking about lower end AM5 stuff ..

there are boards and then there are boards my mobo cost me 900aud so quite a high end board but my goal was to stay with it till AM6 so it comes with better features and i see value in my purchase not having to upgrade the board because my cheaper board starts to have issues with VRM temps , lack of features etc etc
later down the track !!

Thats why @Why_Me suggested the b760 13700k if you want to hang on to it for maybe 3 or so years it will give you better performance than low end AM5 then you have options to re visit a new platform be it AM6 or 15th gen intel !!

 

[Nori1337]

What i mean is the cheaper stuff comes with limitations and lesser features not to mention sometimes just out right bad products..

like buying a cheap no name brand PSU to save money and have it pop and hurt your other components !

when i say bad buy in the sense that there is no upgrade path on AM4 and to a extent LGA 1700 is limited as well..

AM5 is the better life span but like i said to come under the 1500 mark you will need to start thinking about lower end AM5 stuff ..

there are boards and then there are boards my mobo cost me 900aud so quite a high end board but my goal was to stay with it till AM6 so it comes with better features and i see value in my purchase not having to upgrade the board because my cheaper board starts to have issues with VRM temps , lack of features etc etc
later down the track !!

Thats why @Why_Me suggested the b760 13700k if you want to hang on to it for maybe 3 or so years it will give you better performance than low end AM5 then you have options to re visit a new platform be it AM6 or 15th gen intel !!

Okay so if I understood you correctly:
- Buy branded PSUs, even if that means paying a little bit more, for the safety and quality of it
- High-end AM4 is better than low-end AM5
- AM4 has no upgrade path and a worse life span than AM5
With that being said, and given the fact that you and I seem to prefer AMD CPUs with NVIDIA GPUs, unlike @Why_Me, who seems to prefer Intel CPUs and AMD GPUs, what changes would you make to the original build I was given? I know you've already said the following:

Dont get me wrong the 5800x3d is a great cpu but a bit ( how to put it with out sounding rude ) strange going for a new AM4 system ..

i personally would go cl16 3600 32gb in AM4 systems

a better option would be a b650e and a 7700 non x ( with the option later on for a x3d cpu )

My problem with this is the fact that the motherboard seems to be almost double the price, even though the CPU is the same price, despite being AM5 (something that confuses me because I don't see why a better and newer product would be the same price as a worse one).
I'm lost on what to do. I don't know which components of which generations to pick. The only thing I know for sure is that I want cl16 3600MHz 32Gb RAM, an NVIDIA graphics card (because I've had multiple friends and acquaintances with driver problems in AMD's GPUs) and that a 750W PSU is enough so long I don't cheap out on it. Other than that, I haven't a single clue about what Motherboard, CPU, and GPU triplet to go with, taking into consideration the €1500-€1600 budget.