[SOLVED] Questions About Verizon Fios

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I currently have Xfinity cable internet, but due to the pandemic and all of the video conferencing that I will most likely be doing, I’m going to need faster internet for my house. Verizon Fios is available in my area, so I’ve been eyeing it for a while. Thanks to optical fiber, the symmetrical gigabit download/upload speeds are very enticing. I only get about 40mbps upload with Xfinity, and the much faster Verizon Fios upload speeds caught my attention. I could really use those faster upload speeds when uploading videos to online video sharing platforms and the like.

Even if I wasn’t using ethernet, it would still be worth it for the upload speeds alone. I’ve heard that download and upload speeds are still great over WiFi, so no worries there.

I have a few questions.

1. How does Verizon Fios work? How do they install it to your home? I’m not to familiar with the installation process of optical fiber.

2. I currently use the rental router that came with my Xfinity cable internet plan. Is the included Verizon Fios WiFi 6 rental router any good? It seems fine, but I want the opinions of others (take a look at the specs and features).
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082BLM2KH

3. Are there any major downsides to Verizon Fios (unavailability is not a problem in my area)?

I probably have more questions, but I can’t think of them right now.

I already pay a crazy amount of money for Xfinity cable internet, so $79.99 a month is a steal. Here’s what I picked.

Gigabit connection (what kind of madman would go for one of the lower tiers).

I already have Hulu, so for the internet offer, I went with the Stadia Premiere Edition ($129 value).

Fios Router Rental (instead of purchasing the router outright for $299.99 or using my own router).

None of the Verizon protection stuff or the wire maintenance stuff (I don’t think that I’d need it).

For live TV, I was debating on getting YouTube TV for another $64.99 a month to further distance myself from Xfinity and cable in general, but my wife refuses to get rid of Comcast television.

No “Fios Home Phone” because I simply don’t need it (I already have similar phones around my house).

With all of that said and done, it’d still be $79.99 a month without YouTube TV included. That sounds like a solid deal for gigabit fiber optic internet, so should I jump on it and get that Verizon Fios plan?
 
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Math Geek
i have GB Fios with the new router as well. the first time they install everything it will take a few hours. they have to install the ONT and then run lines to the router and anything else. but the wifi is a lot stronger than the older router. (i bought mine, $300 once is better than $10 a month forever). it was a considerable upgrade to the g1100 router that we had for years. that router was moved to another part of the house as a second access point. so still using that $100 router years later :)

you may not see the full speed through wifi though. even with that new router it will get close but not all of it. nearby the router i get about 850 mb down and 700 up on average. still pretty awesome. but with many devices all running at...
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I have FiOS. 100/100, simply because it works for me, and I have no need to bump up the monthly bill.
I've had FiOS for years. Rock solid stable.

Assuming it is available at your residence...

They run a fiber line to the side of your house.
Then, an ONT (Optical Network Transfer) box. This is basically a "modem"
From that, either coax or ethernet to the router. Mine is coax.
I have the G1100 router from them. Purchased for $100.
It works great.
After the G1100 router, all your devices. Switches, PC's, whatever.
If you have TV through FiOS, you MUST have one of their routers somewhere in the chain. That talks to the STB for all the TV functions.

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Misconception on your part...WiFi inside your house does not care if the signal comes in via fiber, coax, DSL, whatever.
 
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USAFRet said:
Assuming it is available at your residence...
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Yes, the Verizon website said that its available.
USAFRet said:
If you have TV through FiOS, you MUST have one of their routers somewhere in the chain. That talks to the STB for all the TV functions.
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I don’t plan on getting Verizon TV or Fios TV or whatever its called.
USAFRet said:
Misconception on your part...WiFi inside your house does not care if the signal comes in via fiber, coax, DSL, whatever.
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I'm sorry? I don't get what you're saying. What exactly do you mean? Could you elaborate?
 
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JayAgostino said:
I'm sorry? I don't get what you're saying. What exactly do you mean? Could you elaborate?
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You said:
"I’ve heard that download and upload speeds are still great over WiFi, so no worries there. "

The WiFi performance between your PC and the router has nothing to do with FiOS, cable, whatever.
That is entirely dependent on the WiFi device in your PC, and the WiFi in the router or whatever your PC connects to.
 
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USAFRet said:
The WiFi performance between your PC and the router has nothing to do with FiOS, cable, whatever.
That is entirely dependent on the WiFi device in your PC, and the WiFi in the router or whatever your PC connects to.
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The speed of the WiFi router has nothing to do with the speed of the Verizon Fios?
 
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i have GB Fios with the new router as well. the first time they install everything it will take a few hours. they have to install the ONT and then run lines to the router and anything else. but the wifi is a lot stronger than the older router. (i bought mine, $300 once is better than $10 a month forever). it was a considerable upgrade to the g1100 router that we had for years. that router was moved to another part of the house as a second access point. so still using that $100 router years later :)

you may not see the full speed through wifi though. even with that new router it will get close but not all of it. nearby the router i get about 850 mb down and 700 up on average. still pretty awesome. but with many devices all running at once we never have an issue with lack of speed. i can still download a movie in a minute and not bother others streaming or doing whatever!!

i will never go back to cable internet if i can help it. nothing compares from my experience.
 
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Math Geek said:
you may not see the full speed through wifi though. even with that new router it will get close but not all of it. nearby the router i get about 850 mb down and 700 up on average.
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I honestly wouldn’t even complain about it in the slightest. That’s still miles better than what Xfinity offers in terms of upload speeds. :)
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i will never go back to cable internet if i can help it. nothing compares from my experience.
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Nobody should go back to cable internet after switching to fiber internet.
 
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as for what kind of tv pack to get, this takes some true honesty with yourself but what we did at my house was to log what channels we actually watched for a couple weeks. turns out we watched local channels and maybe 5 or 6 of the other 200+ we were paying for.

we ended up with a small sling tv pack to cover what we actually watched and dropped the rest. i know there is that deep fear of missing out when losing so many channels but honestly with netflix and amazon we don't miss them at all. we save so much without cable and can stream 99% of what we want to watch now. so that sling tv may be going away as well pretty soon. a nice antenna and htpc that acts as dvr is good enough to catch the few network shows we still watch (honestly there is so little worth watching from the networks it is kinda sad).
 
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he did mention possibly going to youtube tv so figured he might be in the market for a new service. sounds like the wife just wants cable in some form or another.

as a new customer it may be worth changing to fios tv if the wife demands cable package.. i know when we got Fios, it was 79.99 for just internet and 89.99 for internet, tv and phone!! of course you get all the extra cram charges for the boxes and such but you're still paying for those with the other cable package. might save some money over the next couple years swapping it all. i can't imagine just cable being $10 from xfinity

i know you don't want phone service but i saved $20 by having it for my house ( was going to be $110 for just tv and internet). we don't have any phones plugged in and i can't even tell you what the number is but for the savings we let em activate it.
 
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Math Geek said:
he did mention possibly going to youtube tv so figured he might be in the market for a new service. sounds like the wife just wants cable in some form or another.

as a new customer it may be worth changing to fios tv if the wife demands cable package.. i know when we got Fios, it was 79.99 for just internet and 89.99 for internet, tv and phone!! of course you get all the extra cram charges for the boxes and such but you're still paying for those with the other cable package. might save some money over the next couple years swapping it all. i can't imagine just cable being $10 from xfinity

i know you don't want phone service but i saved $20 by having it for my house ( was going to be $100 for just tv and internet). we don't have any phones plugged in and i can't even tell you what the number is but for the savings we let em activate it.
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It sounds more like the wife won’t get rid of Comcast TV, so I don’t think he’ll be switching to YouTube TV or Fios TV at the moment.
 
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USAFRet said:
Misconception on your part...WiFi inside your house does not care if the signal comes in via fiber, coax, DSL, whatever.
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USAFRet said:
The WiFi performance between your PC and the router has nothing to do with FiOS, cable, whatever.
That is entirely dependent on the WiFi device in your PC, and the WiFi in the router or whatever your PC connects to.
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Well, OP said that they’ll probably be getting the rental router, so they won’t necessarily have to worry about subpar max WiFi speeds, right?
 
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Jacksurd7 said:
Well, OP said that they’ll probably be getting the rental router, so they won’t necessarily have to worry about subpar max WiFi speeds, right?
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WiFi performance is very dependent on the particular environment. Distance, house construction, interference from neighbors, etc, etc.

All of which has nothing to do with the technology used to deliver the signal to the wall of the house.
 
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Jacksurd7 said:
Isn’t that a stretch though? We don’t even know if OP’s neighbors are signed up for Verizon Fios or have the same router.
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A stretch?
Well....they probably have one of only a couple of providers/technologies.
Fiber from verizon, of cable from Cox/Comcast/whomever.

And in a crowded environment such as an apartment or condo building, your neighbors router may be just on the other side of the wall from yours. 1 meter away.

But this is all mostly irrelevant, and stems off the original somewhat misguided premise that FiOS is better for WiFi.

WiFi from the router does not care how the signal is delivered to your residence.
The newest $300 router from Verizon may be great. It may be no better than the $100 G1100 that I have.

Every house, every environment is a bit different. Every PC placement is different.
Now add in whatever WiFi device is on the users laptop or desktop.

It will probably be good.
But it is not due to being fiber to the house or condo.
 
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USAFRet said:
The newest $300 router from Verizon may be great. It may be no better than the $100 G1100 that I have.
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Wouldn’t the spec sheet say otherwise?
USAFRet said:
It will probably be good.
But it is not due to being fiber to the house or condo.
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It seems like OP thought that the gigabit speeds would allow for his max WiFi speed to be increased or something like that. I might be wrong though, because this is all very confusing.
 
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USAFRet said:
The spec sheet is "up to". Actual demonstrated WiFi performance in the house will vary.
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OP could still utilize those speeds at certain times depending on the conditions though, right?

Looking through Amazon, I’d definitely say that the $300 router has an edge over the older $100 router, at least on a paper spec sheet.
 
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