R8500 rules in UT2K3!

[MindCrime]

the 4200 is right there with it at stock speeds. I have the same 2.26 (non-oced) as AMD_Man, but I have the 4200ti(non-oced). The benchmarks were almost an exact mirror of his. botmatch was about 4 fps higher, and the other was just 1.

This was my first UT experience. Seems pretty cool. I'm so used to the feel of the quake games though, so it's gonna take some getting used to. It seems a little more stiff at first. Gotta warm into it.

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[hartski]

Graphics and animation are simply superb! then I saw some guy's torso and 1 leg flew for a short while and drops on the green ground as you see the shade of the towering trees sway reflected at the ground...some awesome detail there! lotsa polygons put in it as I've read at some issue of Computer game World...how does the visuals compare to Morrowind btw? but damn guys it looks great...better than Quake 3...the future is here...well it's always gonna be here as long as new games keep poppin out...but UT2003 is something to be amazed about

btw here's my benchmark...

R8500 64MB (stock) - Catalyst 2.2 drivers
1024x768 @ 32bbp

Flyby: 106.125977
Botmatch: 46.028339

are these framerates? sorry to be noob...hehe...coz isn't 46 fps too low or was that benchmark done at the highest setting?

well time to try using AA and aniso

 

[oymd]

how come i get same results on both benchmarks..
Flyby:~45
Botmatch:~30

BTW..its on a P41.5GHZ..256RDRAM/Radeon64DDR 182/182 at 1024*768 with catalyst 2.1...but its perfectly playable...fraps gives me an average of 30FPS...

P.S. what do u guys think of the game....umm..i dont like it....that guy's voice is so silly...funny actually...and the original weapons and bots in UT were far cooler....
any thoughts...

<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by oymd on 09/15/02 04:42 PM.</EM></FONT></P>

 

[AMD_Man]

Um, don't use ATIMax. It's horribly screwed up at the moment. Just uninstall the Catalyst 2.2 and install the Catalyst 2.3.

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[Cooldoud]

Do you guys out there like this game ? I've downloaded it yesterday and... well... Boring. Sure the graphics are really neat, and the physics are very enjoyable (I like to see my body fly thru the air , but I tried a CTF and it didn't appeal to me... Maybe because I'm bad at this, i dont know, but for now I'm gonna stick to Counter Strike 😉
Anyway I must have the worst score of you all, but I'm still using 23.11 det under XP (newer ones crash my comp). So with an Athlon 1.33, 256 SDRAM, Geforce3, I get an awesome 86/35

 

[flamethrower205]

Ja, I found it boring too.

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[Ghostdog]

No cooldoud, I win!

Running the benchmark at 10x7 (and probably 32bit colors, no sure, I just ran the damm thing!) I get 6.xxxxx in the flyby and 5.xxxxx in the botmatch.

The TNT2 m64.............. I really need an upgrade.

BTW, I think 46 fps is quite playable. Even 20 seems playable.



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[phsstpok]

Flyby: 93.4
BotMatch: 33.9

Not great but not bad either, I guess, for a Tbird at 1500 Mhz (150*10), SDRAM, Radeon 8500 at 300/325. However I get stuttering in game play. I haven't seen this in any games in months so I don't know what's wrong. I'm suspecting a sound card/driver issue. Do you happen to know if there is a command line instruction to disable sound so I can test my idea?

I find most FPS's boring with the exceptions of Half-Life, SOF, Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force (too short), and MOHAA. I hate death matches.

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[flamethrower205]

My 1.2 ghz system kicks j00 system's azz!!

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[AMD_Man]

That's awful for a Radeon 8500 on a 1.5GHz Athlon.What drivers are you using? It might be that you're using SDRAM, but I don't know.

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[hartski]

I marveled at the graphics and animation but yeah I found it boring after a while...I also play CS and there are some differences between games like UT/Q3A and CS so some ppl will enjoy UT and some CS...but I believe this topic concentrates on R8500 cards performing well on UT2003 and UT2003's achievement in ground breaking technology for FPS games...hehe

I do prefer CS over UT2003 but if CS had the same nice looks as UT2003 it will be kick ass!

 

[flamethrower205]

Maybe ut2k3 is heavily dependant on all aspects of the system. It's got a nice engine, wonder when they'll make a game

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[phsstpok]

Catalyst 2.3, Win98. I think having only a 64MB video card might be the bit limiting in this game as well.

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[hartski]

AMD_Man...the problem is whenever I uninstall the old drivers after I reboot Windows damn insists on re-installing the old driver...the INF file for the old drivers are somehow still in the system of Windows...with Nvidia cards you can use "detonator destroyer" to fully remove everything that is related to Nvidia drivers...is there any program that fully removes Radeon drivers and INF files...

 

[AMD_Man]

I don't know. I'm on a P4 2.26GHz with a 64MB R8500 but I score nearly 40FPS higher than you in Flyby, and 20FPS higher in Botmatch.

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[Matisaro]

I don't know, but overall, I'm very pleased that the bug in the R8500 driver and the poor performance in the Anand UT2003 has been fixed. From what I've seen, my bench score is relatively similar to a Ti4200

Um no way your trying to claim your benchmark invalidates anands, there could be any number of configurations changes which would increase your performance compared to their system.

The 4200 rules ut2003 and untill someone does a new benchmark suite to prove otherwise, thats how it will stay.

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[Matisaro]

Matisaro gets at stock speed on his Ti4200.

Even if I had not fried my 4200 in a failed modding attempt I wouldnt compare results on 2 seperate platforms to show which card is better, benchmarkS must be done in a strictly controled manner to be applicable.

Heatsinks, if you dont overclock, use the <b>STOCK!</b>

 

[Matisaro]

I'm impressed so far with the new Catalyst drivers. I wonder how the R8500 stacks up against the Ti4200 in UT2003 now. Cause it seemed pretty far behind with the old Catalysts (at least at anandtech).

LoL, read my above post, there is no evidence the catylist drivers did anything simply because we do not have vaild comparision material.

Your and amd mans results are not comparable to the anandtech results, one different setting in the bios or sys.ini can result in dramatically different performannce!

Heatsinks, if you dont overclock, use the <b>STOCK!</b>

 

[AMD_Man]

Matisaro, this is what MindCrime said earlier on:

the 4200 is right there with it at stock speeds. I have the same 2.26 (non-oced) as AMD_Man, but I have the 4200ti(non-oced). The benchmarks were almost an exact mirror of his. botmatch was about 4 fps higher, and the other was just 1.

This was my first UT experience. Seems pretty cool. I'm so used to the feel of the quake games though, so it's gonna take some getting used to. It seems a little more stiff at first. Gotta warm into it.

See, so overall, his Ti4200 is only 4% faster.

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[AMD_Man]

LoL, read my above post, there is no evidence the catylist drivers did anything simply because we do not have vaild comparision material.

Your and amd mans results are not comparable to the anandtech results, one different setting in the bios or sys.ini can result in dramatically different performannce!

Lol, see my above post.

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[phsstpok]

don't know. I'm on a P4 2.26GHz with a 64MB R8500 but I score nearly 40FPS higher than you in Flyby, and 20FPS higher in Botmatch.

Well, there's a huge difference between a Tbird 1.5 with SDRAM and a P4 2.26 and DDR.

Doesn't matter. I'll still wait for Doom 3 before I make a major upgrade.


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[flamethrower205]

What was the mod u were trying to do?

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[AMD_Man]

Well, there's a huge difference between a Tbird 1.5 with SDRAM and a P4 2.26 and DDR.

RDRAM now, actually.

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[eden]

I agree with some, the game lacks fun. I expected something like the old UT, even though I never played but saw it a few times only, I felt there was some nice action.

To be honest guys, I often felt the Q3 atmosphere but with updated graphics, and the gameplay also felt too Quaky! I had expected more, in fact I am greatly disappointed with my performance, I mean around 50 FPS for FLYBY, when others get over 80, is something not right.
Not to mention weak botmatch results. The entire time I played it, it was always hovering the 20s and 30s, so I didn't get much smooth gameplay, yet Anand's results had mine scoring much higher, PLUS let us not forget the CPU scaling graphics showing my 1.4GHZ should NOT deviate too much.

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[phsstpok]

OK, I found some interesting things. I was reading the notes about the demo which mentioned an OpenGL renderer. Nosing through the benchmark folder I found how to enable the OpenGL renderer. In the following directory

\UT2003Demo\Benchmark\Stuff

there is a file called MaxDetail.ini. Here are the lines that control which renderer is used

<b>[Engine.Engine]
RenderDevice=D3DDrv.D3DRenderDevice
;RenderDevice=Engine.NullRenderDevice
;RenderDevice=OpenGLDrv.OpenGLRenderDevice</b>

Just activate the one you want and comment out the others (with a ";").

I'm not sure what visual changes happen with the OpenGL renderer vs the D3D renderer but I score

FlyBy: 104.6
BotMatch: 38.3

This is roughly 12% better than my D3D scores.

Something else that is interesting is the Null renderer which appears to just benchmark the CPU and memory hardware eliminating the video card. This might be useful at determining which is most limiting, the system or the video card.



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