Mining tests show that the Radeon RX 6600 XT is a good miner for Ethereum.
Radeon RX 6600 XT May Be The New De Facto GPU For Mining : Read more
Radeon RX 6600 XT May Be The New De Facto GPU For Mining : Read more
I guess I was wrong... :/I like the decision to lower memory bus width to 128 bits. It lowers mining performance without affecting gaming performance, and can't be undone like Nvidia's software-based solution.
As a general statement of the GPU market today, yes it's true, but contextual the launch of RX 6600 XT was the best AMD GPU launch of the 6000 series yet, considering availability and street/actual shop price (not MSRP).The Radeon RX 6600 XT, like any other graphics card launched during the pandemic and global semiconductor shortage, suffers from scalping and limited stock.
We are neutral, and we are reporting the news. Mining is burning power and making it virtually impossible for gamers to buy GPUs. The RX 6600 XT also offers relatively impressive efficiency. I don't think miners are going to use it as the new standard, though, because building rigs with six or eight GPUs has a lot of in-built costs, and you want to maximize overall performance and efficiency. Eight RX 6600 XT cards would do about 240-250 MH/s and use ~700W of power for the entire PC. Or you could do two RTX 3090 cards and get about the same performance and efficiency, except with the ability to add six more cards. (Yes, the RX 6600 XT would cost less -- maybe $4000 vs. $4800.)Toms: "Mining is terrible and destroying the GPU market"
Next day "Lookie this amazing card for mining"
Pick a side or be neutral. Don't pretend to pick a side for the likes but then be neutral.
Give it some time, though. We still need to see if the initial availability and pricing was more of a publicity stunt, or if AMD can maintain that supply. It feels like AMD maybe delayed the launch by a month or two to build up a large inventory, which it then released all at once. Initial supply looked great, but in two weeks it could be in the same exact spot as all the other GPUs. Pretty sure that will end up being the case, as TSMC production is still tapped out and will be for the next couple of years it seems.As a general statement of the GPU market today, yes it's true, but contextual the launch of RX 6600 XT was the best AMD GPU launch of the 6000 series yet, considering availability and street/actual shop price (not MSRP).
In EU we had lots of shops for an entire day (yesterday) having these GPUs in stock with prices ranging from 460 euro to 530 euro. Considering the 3060 which is supposed to be cheaper has a 600+ euro price and the 3060 Ti which is supposed to be the best deal vs RX 6600 XT is 700+ euro, in the same shops that sell the AMD GPUs at 460-530, yeah, this paints a very different picture when you take into account reality and not just PR pieces and MSRP fairy tales seen in all the articles and youtube (influencer) videos...
All of these prices are still too much, too expensive, but the markup on RX 6600 XT is actually much less than on nvidia GPUs, so in reality it is the better deal, in a paradoxical kind of way, if you really need/want a GPU now and you can't wait any longer.
Oh, on this we agree. I don't expect this "good launch price and availability" (compared to others) to last long, exactly because of what you said above.Give it some time, though. We still need to see if the initial availability and pricing was more of a publicity stunt, or if AMD can maintain that supply. It feels like AMD maybe delayed the launch by a month or two to build up a large inventory, which it then released all at once. Initial supply looked great, but in two weeks it could be in the same exact spot as all the other GPUs. Pretty sure that will end up being the case, as TSMC production is still tapped out and will be for the next couple of years it seems.
What exactly makes you think Nvidia isn't manufacturing as many GPUs as it can right now? Sure, Samsung Foundry doesn't have as many companies using it's built-for-Nvidia 8N (but really just 10nm+) process as TSMC N7, but I don't think SF has tons of untapped wafer starts sitting around. Also, the RTX 3060 launch was delayed several weeks to build up a larger inventory... which still sold out quickly. Current indications are that Nvidia's Ampere GPUs are outselling AMD's RDNA2 GPUs by at least a 10 to 1 ratio. Maybe that would be 20 to 1 if miners weren't snagging half of the GPUs produced? When you can sell every GPU you produce, though, you're not going to hold back inventory. Especially since the Eth2.0 proof-of-stake transition is only a few months away (not that some other coin won't end up gaining popularity with GPU miners once Eth goes PoS).Oh, on this we agree. I don't expect this "good launch price and availability" (compared to others) to last long, exactly because of what you said above.
AMD does not have nvidia levels of supply and production for GPUs, they (nvidia) could do it if they really cared for gamers and the best prices for gamers. But we all know nvidia is the opposite of that...
Still this does not diminish the fact that it is better than other launches and more people had/have a chance of buying the least gouged up GPU now... At least AMD tried something.
Got to love how AMD touted its 6000-series as inherently poor at mining due to architecture, then the lowest-end card they launch turns out to be one of the best MH/s-per-watt option out there.
I think I did not express myself correctly thus it ended up meaning something else.What exactly makes you think Nvidia isn't manufacturing as many GPUs as it can right now?
whelp, last hope gone. I'll have to keep my RX480 another couple of years.
As long as most GPUs are being bought by miners, I don't think MSRP is terribly relevant; street price ends up being set mostly by mining economics. Cards would probably have ended up being sold/scalped for roughly the same price even if their MSPR had been set lower. If AMD/Nvidia/AIBs were selling their cards for less, that would just mean more profit for scalpers/retailers.I think I did not express myself correctly thus it ended up meaning something else.
What I wanted to say with "they (nvidia) could do it if they really cared for gamers and the best prices for gamers" is that nvidia could have had lower prices and still make a lot of profit, instead they and their partners opted for maximum scalping and having the skin of our back too.
Nvidia could have charged lower from the start on all tiers (MSRP), then AMD would have gone even lower (MSRP). So the inflated street/shop prices even if still higher than MSRP would have not rached x3, maybe not even x2 MSRP, thus today we would have been much closer to MSRP with both nvidia and AMD GPUs.
Instead almost a year from the launch of this generation we are in the situation that the only GPU relatively close to MSRP (which is a bad deal on itself) is the RX 6600 XT and no other GPU from either nvidia or AMD comes close to that aspect. Pathetic situation...
The 6600 XT is not exactly what I would consider a "solid performer". The card provides roughly 5700 XT-level performance at roughly the same MSRP over two years later, assuming one can even find them near that MSRP, which will probably be unlikely for months following the initial launch.While the Navi 23-powered graphics card is a solid performer...
As long as most GPUs are being bought by miners, I don't think MSRP is terribly relevant; street price ends up being set mostly by mining economics. Cards would probably have ended up being sold/scalped for roughly the same price even if their MSPR had been set lower. If AMD/Nvidia/AIBs were selling their cards for less, that would just mean more profit for scalpers/retailers.
It's very much possible, yet we will never know, since we did not had lower prices to begin with, did we?As long as most GPUs are being bought by miners, I don't think MSRP is terribly relevant; street price ends up being set mostly by mining economics. Cards would probably have ended up being sold/scalped for roughly the same price even if their MSPR had been set lower. If AMD/Nvidia/AIBs were selling their cards for less, that would just mean more profit for scalpers/retailers.
Scalper prices of Nvidia cards have been trending down while AMD prices have started trending up. Between Nvidia's new cards having LHR and the 6600XT being the MH/s power efficiency champ, I'd expect the 6600XT's price to go up substantially once the launch stock is gone from all primary sources.we all know and see with our own eyes that the prices of those two nvidia cards are both more expensive in reality than that of RX 6600 XT (and at all the other tiers too, same story).
Yes, it will go up. But will it get more expensive than 3060 street price? Or more expensive than 3060 Ti?Scalper prices of Nvidia cards have been trending down while AMD prices have started trending up. Between Nvidia's new cards having LHR and the 6600XT being the MH/s power efficiency champ, I'd expect the 6600XT's price to go up substantially once the launch stock is gone from all primary sources.
Except you cannot buy the 6700XT and 6800XT.Not straight out of the box, but any miner can do it, even casual ones and they do get the same ratio between MH/s and power consumption as the 6600 XT.
Surprisingly there are 6700 XT/6800XT in stock at brick and mortar retailers (i.e. not marketplace resellers) near me. It's just that they cost $1000+/$1500+ (CAD)...Except you cannot buy the 6700XT and 6800XT.
I actually did, 2 weeks ago.Except you cannot buy the 6700XT and 6800XT.